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Technical (Development, Security, etc.) => Unix / Linux Discussion => Topic started by: rabbit on June 22, 2006, 09:35:12 PM

Title: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on June 22, 2006, 09:35:12 PM
Pressing shift+` doesn't give me a tilde.  Grr.  I set my keyboard layout to match my keyboard (Microsoft Internet Keyboard), but still nothing.  Any ides?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: MyndFyre on June 23, 2006, 04:01:19 AM
Kill yourself.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on June 23, 2006, 08:21:06 AM
Copy and paste. ~

EDIT -
Linux might be racist against your keyboard manufacturer.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:16:53 PM
Set your keyboard to a normal 104-key (or whatever)?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on June 27, 2006, 09:14:51 PM
Tried several, 101-107, Microsoft Internet (which it is) and "Generic", but I can't make a tilde.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on July 11, 2006, 12:15:46 AM
Try the other shift key?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Blaze on July 11, 2006, 01:39:29 AM
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=6389.msg76623#msg76623 date=1151049679]
Kill yourself.

Good advice!  It really is too bad rabbit fails at following instructions.  er... Read this!  (My fail safe! :D)
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on July 11, 2006, 03:58:29 AM
Damn it. I read it.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 11, 2006, 07:21:48 AM
I still can't make a damn tilde!
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on July 11, 2006, 07:55:28 AM
Quote from: Joex86] link=topic=6389.msg80021#msg80021 date=1152591346]
Try the other shift key?

It's really no help if you don't tell us if you tried it or not.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 12, 2006, 03:49:52 PM
If I didn't try, why would I say it doesn't work?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 12, 2006, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 12, 2006, 03:49:52 PM
If I didn't try, why would I say it doesn't work?
Because several things were suggested, and you didn't quote anybody.  You also didn't say what you've tried in the past, which could help. 

It would be nice to know what steps you've taken and what has failed to work. 

Eg: have you tried a different keyboard?  A different Linux (Knoppix, or something else off a cd)?  Changing the keyboard mapping?  Using the other shift?  Copying/pasting the ~?

Try
  dmesg | grep -i "key"
See if it has any messages about your keyboard.  Also:
  cat /var/log/messages | grep -i "key"
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 12, 2006, 08:13:11 PM
Different keyboards don't work.
Neither shift makes it.
dmesg and cat didn't give anything.
It worked on Slack a few months ago, and on my first install of Fedora.
Copy & paste works fine, but I don't want to have to do that every time I need to make a tilde.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on July 13, 2006, 01:33:50 PM
Reinstall Slackware. Again.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 13, 2006, 01:53:02 PM
Does it only happen in X?  Or does it also happen in the TTY console?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 13, 2006, 02:27:57 PM
O hell...not sure.  I haven't gotten a TTY in a while (Fedora boots X and then runs its stuff)
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on July 13, 2006, 02:31:09 PM
Ctrl+Alt+F1
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 13, 2006, 02:34:36 PM
Tilde works in TTY -.-
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 13, 2006, 03:49:22 PM
Then we know it's a problem with X. That's a plus. 

Can you run xorg.config or xfree.config or some program resembling one of those, set everything up, restart X, and see if that helps?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Chavo on July 14, 2006, 11:53:11 AM
hwd -x > xorgconfig

unless of course you like answerring detail questions about your hardware that the machine could detect without asking you..
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 14, 2006, 02:16:19 PM
hwd doesn't come default with X.  It's a specifically arch-Linux tool. 

And anyways, "what resolution do you want?" and "what type of video card do you have?" aren't exactly difficult questions for somebody who knows anything .
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Chavo on July 14, 2006, 02:21:06 PM
I didn't know hwd was Arch specific, damn.

resolution and video card no, horizontal and verticaly sync rates, yes.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 14, 2006, 03:31:59 PM
I've never gotten the sync rates wrong, and I know I've picked different ones.  I don't think it makes a difference.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Chavo on July 14, 2006, 03:50:50 PM
setting them too low is never a problem, you just might not get the optimal refresh rate.

setting them too high will fry your monitor. smoke and everything
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 14, 2006, 08:16:37 PM
60Hz refresh, some kind of video card which I can look up in system properties somewhere, and my resolution is 1200xsomething.  I can find it all (it's downstairs).  I'll try when I go into my room, which isn't often anymore due to my room being about 110F at any given point in time.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Chavo on July 14, 2006, 11:25:24 PM
Yea...60hz kills my eyes.  If you are lucky it'll list it on the back of your monitor, if you aren't you have to find a product spec sheet.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Joe on July 15, 2006, 03:27:00 AM
I feel sorry for your room, rabbit. Mine's in the basement, thank God.

As for your resolution, I think you meant 1280 x Something. Possible options are 1280x720, 1280x768, and 1280x1024.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 15, 2006, 04:04:41 AM
Quote from: unTactical on July 14, 2006, 11:25:24 PM
Yea...60hz kills my eyes.  If you are lucky it'll list it on the back of your monitor, if you aren't you have to find a product spec sheet.
60hz is fine, if it's an LCD. 

My computer's drivers were messed up once, and I was getting something like 45hz.  Talk about a headache!
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 15, 2006, 07:48:28 AM
It's CRT, and the only option in monitor preferences is 60Hz.  It's fine for me :\
Anyway, I still haven't gone in there...
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: MyndFyre on July 15, 2006, 02:52:54 PM
rabbit you clearly haven't tried my solution for everything.  Get crackin at it, and let me know how it works out!
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 15, 2006, 04:57:15 PM
If I try your solution and it works, you'll never know.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 15, 2006, 06:10:11 PM
I am prepared to accept that risk. 
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: MyndFyre on July 15, 2006, 06:28:30 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 15, 2006, 04:57:15 PM
If I try your solution and it works, you'll never know.

I'll know because you'll have stopped complaining about the problem.  See?  Problem solved!
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 19, 2006, 12:26:31 PM
xfree.config xorg.config xfree.conf xorg.conf etc... none are programs.  Hrm.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Ergot on July 19, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 19, 2006, 12:26:31 PM
xfree.config xorg.config xfree.conf xorg.conf etc... none are programs.  Hrm.
They are files. Hrm. Try editing them.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 19, 2006, 01:24:16 PM
the program is "xorgconfig"
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 19, 2006, 02:16:19 PM
[root@rasputin spencer]# xorgconfig
bash: xorgconfig: command not found
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Newby on July 19, 2006, 03:06:36 PM
He's on redhat/fedora iirc. I dunno what he uses. :/

Do me a favor if you haven't already.

ls /etc/X11/*conf* > http://www.x86labs.org:81/forum/index.php/topic,6389.html
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 19, 2006, 05:07:59 PM
[root@rasputin spencer]# ls /etc/X11/*conf* /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup

/etc/X11/serverconfig:

/etc/X11/sysconfig:
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: iago on July 20, 2006, 12:46:55 AM
The script would probably be in /usr/X11R6/bin.  But I don't know how to configure X on your distro, there's gotta be a configuration script, though.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Newby on July 20, 2006, 01:08:15 AM
I'm not sure if rabbit used Google, so...

Quote from: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=410035
The answer was here:

/questions/showthread.php?t=287973
(I am newbie, can't post URLs. You know the beginning.)

There is not xorgconfig at all. System-config-keyboard should make the changes to xorg.conf, but it is impossible to change the type of keyboard from AT to USB.

System-config-* perhaps?
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 20, 2006, 11:19:59 AM
[root@rasputin spencer]# System-config-keyboard
bash: System-config-keyboard: command not found
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Newby on July 20, 2006, 11:55:59 AM
Did you RTFM? Or use Google on that? Come on, we aren't the be all, end all answer for this you know... :P
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 20, 2006, 12:03:22 PM
WTF!  I've been lied to....

Anyway, nobody on Google seems to be having the sme problem.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Newby on July 20, 2006, 12:04:59 PM
Don't Google the problem. Google "System-config-keyboard" and your distro (Fedora Core 5 FC5?) and see what comes up.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 20, 2006, 12:13:43 PM
I've done that too.  I can't install it (says already installed).  Pissha.
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: Newby on July 20, 2006, 12:14:12 PM
So look around for what files are linked to that. What files it installed, where you can use it, etc...
Title: Re: Can't Make a Tilde
Post by: rabbit on July 20, 2006, 01:29:27 PM
Says:
Already installed in /tmp/system-config-keyboard-1.2.7-1.1.noarch.rpm

Incidentally, that's what I'm attempting the install using.