http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/06/22/nkorea.missile/index.html? (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/06/22/nkorea.missile/index.html?)
Clinton's defense secretary says pre-emptive attack, Cheney plays it down.
WHAT IS GOING ON!? THE MADNESS
Does North Korea have Oil? No. Does the current administration want to attack them? No.
Coincidence? You decide.
Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:07:44 PM
Does North Korea have Oil? No. Does the current administration want to attack them? No.
Coincidence? You decide.
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Did Afghanistan have oil? (honestly, I have no idea whether or not they do).
Whats surprising is that Clinton's dude wants us to attack0rz N. Korea...its funny that he says go & cheney says no
Yes, they do:
QuoteThe country's natural resources include copper, zinc and iron ore in central areas; precious and semi-precious stones such as lapis, emerald and azure in the north-east and east; and potentially significant oil and gas reserves in the north. However, these significant mineral and energy resources remain largely untapped due to the effects of the Soviet invasion and the subsequent civil war.
It seems to me that Clinton's guys are worried about the safety of their people, whereas Bush's guys are worried about making money. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get.
Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:07:44 PM
Does North Korea have Oil? No. Does the current administration want to attack them? No.
Coincidence? You decide.
You know damn well that this isn't empirical evidence.
It wouldn't be smart to attack right now, we're preoccupied in Afghanistan and Iraq. Unless he fires one off I can't see us going to war with N. Korea. Not necessarily saying I agree with this but it's probably how it will be done.
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Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:07:44 PM
Does North Korea have Oil? No. Does the current administration want to attack them? No.
Coincidence? You decide.
You know damn well that this isn't empirical evidence.
You're right, and I'm not saying it is. It's at the very least an interesting coincidence, and at the best it's circumstantial evidence.
Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:16:16 PM
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Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:07:44 PM
Does North Korea have Oil? No. Does the current administration want to attack them? No.
Coincidence? You decide.
You know damn well that this isn't empirical evidence.
You're right, and I'm not saying it is. It's at the very least an interesting coincidence, and at the best it's circumstantial evidence.
Even if it was correlative, it doesn't indicate causation. That means it's not even circumstantial evidence.
Fine! It's an interesting coincidence.
Iraq? Oil. Status? Invaded.
Afghanistan? Oil. Status? Invaded.
N. Korea? No oil. Status? Not invaded.
I think those are the only three on the table for this administration, but I could be wrong.
I'm going to go ahead and note some of the points of the article (N. Korea was one of my research areas in college ;)).
QuoteCheney, however, told CNN that, while "I appreciate Bill's advice," such an action could worsen the situation.
Indeed it may. Because we have little or no access to intelligence assets inside of DPRK, we don't know with certainty that the site they want to hit is the right one, or whether they have other sites. The Taepodong II missile can reach an arc covering through Baja Mexico up into Canada.
Plus, I think Cheney said it well:
Quoteobviously, if you are going to launch strikes at another nation, you better be prepared to not fire just one shot.
QuoteChina said Thursday all parties should try to reach a peaceful solution to the issue and urged a return to diplomacy.
Excellent!
Quote"The U.S. imperialist warmongers have been intensifying military provocations against" the North, the country's official Korean Central News Agency said, according to AP.
"The ceaseless illegal intrusion of the planes has created a grave danger of military conflict in the air above the region."
Does this not remind you of
1984? We're just checking up on them, not doing anything, and we're warmongering, imperialist, and provoking them.
Plus, I would like to see DPRK try to launch an aerial attack on our planes. GFG.
QuoteWashington has repeatedly refused to hold direct talks with North Korea, saying any discussions should involve the nation's neighbors.
I believe this is the correct way to work. The last talks we had established the Agreed Framework... which failed. DPRK - especially Kim Jong-Il - wants to posture to the US. He can get away with being belligerant if there are no witnesses. Direct talks are a very quick way to making demands and threats.
QuoteThe talks have stalled after Pyongyang refused to return, angry over an American crackdown on its alleged illicit financial activity.
Turn off the spin machine! It was
drug trafficking!QuoteNorth Korea has sometimes engaged in surprise behavior to attract international attention when it felt it was being ignored, and it might feel slighted over Washington's current focus on resolving the nuclear issue with Iran
.
True, but I've never seen it said so bluntly. LOL.
QuoteOfficials said the Pentagon could try to use its missile defense system to shoot down the North Korean missile. The military has nine interceptor missiles based in Alaska and two in California.
That's good to know, but it's also scary that it may come to that. The anti-ICBM missile sites are not necessarily ready, and one of the technical achievements of the Taepodong II is that it's highly maneuverable and equipped to deal with countermeasures.
QuoteSouth Korea's current unification minister, Lee Jong-seok, said humanitarian aid Seoul supplies to the North, such as rice and fertilizer, could be affected if a missile is tested
...so the masses of people will starve to death, like in any communist country, while the elites keep living it up with their fine aged brandy and seven course meals (did you know that Kim Jong-Il told Madeline Allbright that he was a connoseiur of brandy and wines?).
Quote"Some say our missile test launch is a violation of the moratorium, but this is not true,"
That sounds like this guy:
Quote"I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad."
(source (http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/))
/Sigh.
Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:23:08 PM
Fine! It's an interesting coincidence.
Iraq? Oil. Status? Invaded.
Afghanistan? Oil. Status? Invaded.
N. Korea? No oil. Status? Not invaded.
I think those are the only three on the table for this administration, but I could be wrong.
Since you insist on pursuing this, I should point out that we've already invaded N. Korea once. We just haven't gotten around to getting back yet.
We can't invade every country in the world simultaneously, especially when liberal presidents cut our defense budget (ahem, Slick Willy). We'll get around to it!
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Since you insist on pursuing this, I should point out that we've already invaded N. Korea once. We just haven't gotten around to getting back yet.
We can't invade every country in the world simultaneously, especially when liberal presidents cut our defense budget (ahem, Slick Willy). We'll get around to it!
I'm not worried about the US in general, just this specific president/staff. After 2008, I'm sure N Korea will be invaded, and maybe other countries that actually threaten us.
http://www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/072nd_issue/98120202.htm
Maybe N Korea DOES have oil.....
Yeah yeah, North Korean talking bullshit and crying for attention again, nothing new, no big deal.
The only time I was worried about North Korean attacking someone was when they fired a short range missle over Japan, but that was just for attention.
Quote from: GameSnake on June 23, 2006, 02:05:46 PM
Yeah yeah, North Korean talking bullshit and crying for attention again, nothing new, no big deal.
The only time I was worried about North Korean attacking someone was when they fired a short range missle over Japan, but that was just for attention.
You were worried about DPRK when you were 10 years old?
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Quote from: GameSnake on June 23, 2006, 02:05:46 PM
Yeah yeah, North Korean talking bullshit and crying for attention again, nothing new, no big deal.
The only time I was worried about North Korean attacking someone was when they fired a short range missle over Japan, but that was just for attention.
You were worried about DPRK when you were 10 years old?
lol,i dont think i knew what n korea was when i was 10
...arent GS & I the same age?
Quote from: CrAz3D on June 23, 2006, 02:10:35 PM
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Quote from: GameSnake on June 23, 2006, 02:05:46 PM
Yeah yeah, North Korean talking bullshit and crying for attention again, nothing new, no big deal.
The only time I was worried about North Korean attacking someone was when they fired a short range missle over Japan, but that was just for attention.
You were worried about DPRK when you were 10 years old?
lol,i dont think i knew what n korea was when i was 10
...arent GS & I the same age?
Well, according to GS's profile he's 18. DPRK fired the missile in 98, which was 8 years ago. 18 - 8 = 10.
:P
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Quote from: CrAz3D on June 23, 2006, 02:10:35 PM
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Quote from: GameSnake on June 23, 2006, 02:05:46 PM
Yeah yeah, North Korean talking bullshit and crying for attention again, nothing new, no big deal.
The only time I was worried about North Korean attacking someone was when they fired a short range missle over Japan, but that was just for attention.
You were worried about DPRK when you were 10 years old?
lol,i dont think i knew what n korea was when i was 10
...arent GS & I the same age?
Well, according to GS's profile he's 18. DPRK fired the missile in 98, which was 8 years ago. 18 - 8 = 10.
:P
ohs, I thought I read someone say he was 19...oh well...I didnt give a crap about N Korea when I was 11 either...I think. I only really remember Iraq airstrikes in ... 98? when I was 12?
Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:07:44 PM
Does North Korea have Oil? No. Does the current administration want to attack them? No.
Coincidence? You decide.
omg. Shut up. Honestly.
Quote from: CrAz3D on June 23, 2006, 06:15:15 PM
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Quote from: CrAz3D on June 23, 2006, 02:10:35 PM
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Quote from: GameSnake on June 23, 2006, 02:05:46 PM
Yeah yeah, North Korean talking bullshit and crying for attention again, nothing new, no big deal.
The only time I was worried about North Korean attacking someone was when they fired a short range missle over Japan, but that was just for attention.
You were worried about DPRK when you were 10 years old?
lol,i dont think i knew what n korea was when i was 10
...arent GS & I the same age?
Well, according to GS's profile he's 18. DPRK fired the missile in 98, which was 8 years ago. 18 - 8 = 10.
:P
ohs, I thought I read someone say he was 19...oh well...I didnt give a crap about N Korea when I was 11 either...I think. I only really remember Iraq airstrikes in ... 98? when I was 12?
North Korea tested a short range missile more recently, which landed in the Sea of Japan.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4503531.stm
I've been keeping a close eye on this because I'm Korean. :)
Do you support unification, skip?
(Incidentally, those didn't fly over Japan, so I assumed GS's remark referred to the 1998 incident when the Taepodong I flew over Japan, like he'd said).
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Do you support unification, skip?
(Incidentally, those didn't fly over Japan, so I assumed GS's remark referred to the 1998 incident when the Taepodong I flew over Japan, like he'd said).
Of course I do. Despite being seperated, we are the same people and we come from the same ancestors.
Although I don't see unification happening anytime soon. I only see this happening if war between the two occur. Well, they are technically still at war, just at cease fire.
Quote from: iago on June 23, 2006, 01:43:47 PM
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Since you insist on pursuing this, I should point out that we've already invaded N. Korea once. We just haven't gotten around to getting back yet.
We can't invade every country in the world simultaneously, especially when liberal presidents cut our defense budget (ahem, Slick Willy). We'll get around to it!
I'm not worried about the US in general, just this specific president/staff. After 2008, I'm sure N Korea will be invaded, and maybe other countries that actually threaten us.
I highly doubt that we will invade North Korea any time soon. The reason I say this is because their main ally is pushing them to return to diplomatic relations with the United States. And besides, we aren't the *only* country that is a little worried about these missiles.