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Someone on this forum lives there, and I feel their pain. Although whether or not it'll affect them is a different question.. I mean, I doubt said person carries pictures of weed on their phone!
I wouldn't be so sure, knowing him..... :)
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
No they don't. They just need "probable cause". That means that if someone tells the administration Bob has a dime bag of weed in his locker, the administration has full rights to search that locker. They've done full item searches at my school, that's why I know. :\
Quote from: deadly7 on July 08, 2006, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
No they don't. They just need "probable cause". That means that if someone tells the administration Bob has a dime bag of weed in his locker, the administration has full rights to search that locker. They've done full item searches at my school, that's why I know. :\
word.
They can search anything & everything you have (car, locker, clothing, backpack, etc) if they think you might have something.
Why not just put a password lock on the phone?... & then laugh when they can't unlock it?
That's bullshit, when they took away my MDA I called TMobile and someone had been making calls from it after they took it away. I immediately cancelled my service and made a complaint to the District. When I finally got my MDA back it had scratches everywhere and was loaded with someone elses call history.
I then called the School and they denied ever even touching it. After a couple of calls back and forth over a few days I just decided to send the phone to TMobile in exchange for a new one.
This is why I don't trust anyone with my phone and if it's either give the phone up or get suspended then I'm getting suspended.
I mean they supposedly "Check all phones to make sure they arn't stolen" when the first day it got taken away I took my reciept and box to the office.
This is bullshit.
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
I'm not sure about your laws there, but here, when minors are in school, the school acts as their legal guardian. As such, to be in school while a minor, most rights are given up, the same way parents have the right to search their own children's belongings.
But perhaps it's different in the US, I don't know.
I think it's pretty much the same so it wouldn't be illegal but it still isn't right for them to do it especially if you can prove you own the cellphone.
Quote from: iago on July 08, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
I'm not sure about your laws there, but here, when minors are in school, the school acts as their legal guardian. As such, to be in school while a minor, most rights are given up, the same way parents have the right to search their own children's belongings.
But perhaps it's different in the US, I don't know.
I don't know about public schools, but my [private] high school required the parents to sign a waiver letting them do things like this before you could enroll.
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 01:35:52 PM
Quote from: iago on July 08, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
I'm not sure about your laws there, but here, when minors are in school, the school acts as their legal guardian. As such, to be in school while a minor, most rights are given up, the same way parents have the right to search their own children's belongings.
But perhaps it's different in the US, I don't know.
I don't know about public schools, but my [private] high school required the parents to sign a waiver letting them do things like this before you could enroll.
privates schools are a WHOLE different thing than public schools
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I think it's pretty much the same so it wouldn't be illegal but it still isn't right for them to do it especially if you can prove you own the cellphone.
I don't mean using it. Perhaps they can do that, but they shouldn't, that's abuse of power. I just meant searching it, in reference to the original article, and searching other things, in reference to some of the replies.
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 08, 2006, 01:42:14 PM
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 01:35:52 PM
I don't know about public schools, but my [private] high school required the parents to sign a waiver letting them do things like this before you could enroll.
privates schools are a WHOLE different thing than public schools
Yeah. Although I think that the same laws apply to public and private schools in this respect, signing a waiver is good protection.
I dont think so. I think public schools have more search authority vs. a private school's authority.
I believe its legal (somehow) for public schools in Tennese? to still paddle kids...I think private schools can do it whenever if they get parents to sign a waiver.
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 08, 2006, 02:32:24 PM
I dont think so. I think public schools have more search authority vs. a private school's authority.
I believe its legal (somehow) for public schools in Tennese? to still paddle kids...I think private schools can do it whenever if they get parents to sign a waiver.
That sounds pretty fishy. Some rights you can't waive, even if you sign a contract saying you have.
Lockers are school property and are subject to search at any time with or without prior notice, or stated or unstated reason.
Trust me fellas, I know all this. Last year 12 kids from my grade (out of 50, mind you, a big part) were suspended because of things found in their backpacks. The school was doing searches of lockers and backpacks. Eventually all but 4 of them were unsuspended and apologized to because evidence for their suspension was found in their backpack, which is personal and private property, as opposed to their locker. The other four stayed suspended because they were retards and were smoking weed in the halls after school the next day (fucking morons).
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 03:30:58 PM
Lockers are school property and are subject to search at any time with or without prior notice, or stated or unstated reason.
Trust me fellas, I know all this. Last year 12 kids from my grade (out of 50, mind you, a big part) were suspended because of things found in their backpacks. The school was doing searches of lockers and backpacks. Eventually all but 4 of them were unsuspended and apologized to because evidence for their suspension was found in their backpack, which is personal and private property, as opposed to their locker. The other four stayed suspended because they were retards and were smoking weed in the halls after school the next day (fucking morons).
My school did something similiar. They went through all the class rooms and halls with drug dogs searching. We had to leave our backpacks in the class room. If the dogs sniffed anything, that student was immediately sent to the office. Needless to say, they always received a little time off from school.
Quote from: iago on July 08, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 12:56:52 PM
That's technically illegal. They need a warrant to search any private property (IE: backpacks, cellphones, even notebooks). I can't wait for a lawesuit.
I'm not sure about your laws there, but here, when minors are in school, the school acts as their legal guardian. As such, to be in school while a minor, most rights are given up, the same way parents have the right to search their own children's belongings.
But perhaps it's different in the US, I don't know.
Yup, thats right iago. Normally you would have the rights to privacy but in school you don't (kinda like jail).
Only in Massachusetts...
This is totally bullshit, to say the absolute least. I can't wait until they implement this policy in our school *just* so I have something to sue them over.
Slashdot News: Idiotic boy tried to sue school, failed.
Quote from: dark_drake on July 08, 2006, 04:32:04 PM
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 03:30:58 PM
Lockers are school property and are subject to search at any time with or without prior notice, or stated or unstated reason.
Trust me fellas, I know all this. Last year 12 kids from my grade (out of 50, mind you, a big part) were suspended because of things found in their backpacks. The school was doing searches of lockers and backpacks. Eventually all but 4 of them were unsuspended and apologized to because evidence for their suspension was found in their backpack, which is personal and private property, as opposed to their locker. The other four stayed suspended because they were retards and were smoking weed in the halls after school the next day (fucking morons).
My school did something similiar. They went through all the class rooms and halls with drug dogs searching. We had to leave our backpacks in the class room. If the dogs sniffed anything, that student was immediately sent to the office. Needless to say, they always received a little time off from school.
It's legal to have dogs sniff. They don't go
in the backpack. If a police dog detects something, that is probably cause and a search is permitted. But faculty confiscating to search or just searching because they feel like it is illegal.
Quote from: rabbit on July 08, 2006, 03:30:58 PM
Lockers are school property and are subject to search at any time with or without prior notice, or stated or unstated reason.
Trust me fellas, I know all this. Last year 12 kids from my grade (out of 50, mind you, a big part) were suspended because of things found in their backpacks. The school was doing searches of lockers and backpacks. Eventually all but 4 of them were unsuspended and apologized to because evidence for their suspension was found in their backpack, which is personal and private property, as opposed to their locker. The other four stayed suspended because they were retards and were smoking weed in the halls after school the next day (fucking morons).
You go to private school. It's different.
Who here has actually attended both a private and public school and actually taken notice enough to be an authority on the differences between public and private school systems ;) Not I!
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 09:20:09 PM
Who here has actually attended both a private and public school and actually taken notice enough to be an authority on the differences between public and private school systems ;) Not I!
Does private kindergarten count? :p
Quote from: deadly7 on July 08, 2006, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 09:20:09 PM
Who here has actually attended both a private and public school and actually taken notice enough to be an authority on the differences between public and private school systems ;) Not I!
Does private kindergarten count? :p
Yes. Did they or did they not do drug busts in your school?
Quote from: dark_drake on July 08, 2006, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on July 08, 2006, 09:25:07 PM
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 09:20:09 PM
Who here has actually attended both a private and public school and actually taken notice enough to be an authority on the differences between public and private school systems ;) Not I!
Does private kindergarten count? :p
Yes. Did they or did they not do drug busts in your school?
Mos def. They checked the toys after we were done playing with them to see if there were any instances of drugs on them. This toddler got busted for lighting a joint, putting it in the head of a barbie doll, and then sucking on the doll..
Was it you?
The new principal is a fucktard.
LOL.
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 08, 2006, 02:32:24 PM
I dont think so. I think public schools have more search authority vs. a private school's authority.
I believe its legal (somehow) for public schools in Tennese? to still paddle kids...I think private schools can do it whenever if they get parents to sign a waiver.
That sounds pretty fishy. Some rights you can't waive, even if you sign a contract saying you have.
no, you can waive anything & everything I believe. There was the one dude that went on fear factor & almost died...he couldnt sue even if he did die because he sign a waiver.
I have gone to both public and private high school. Never was searched at private school. They brought the dogs in every other week at public school.
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 09:20:09 PM
Who here has actually attended both a private and public school and actually taken notice enough to be an authority on the differences between public and private school systems ;) Not I!
Me. And public school blew. There were fights all the time. A few times the loser had to be airlifted out to a hospital -.-
Quote from: rabbit on July 09, 2006, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: unTactical on July 08, 2006, 09:20:09 PM
Who here has actually attended both a private and public school and actually taken notice enough to be an authority on the differences between public and private school systems ;) Not I!
Me. And public school blew. There were fights all the time. A few times the loser had to be airlifted out to a hospital -.-
we had that happen once...we were all watching the helicopter, it was cool. and considering that the kid that was in it was some punk gangster...I'd rather be amazed about the helicopter than care about the punk in it.
Yeah, but shit like that doesn't happen in my school (only public high school in the town, around 2500 kids in school), which is why this is rediculous. There are like two fights a year, if you can call them that. It's always just two black girls slapping each other. We don't have bullying to any noticeable extent, we don't have problems with people doing drugs at school or selling drugs at school. We don't have problems with crime in our school at all yet this new dude acts like we're an inner city school in the bronx or something.
We have six security guards per floor, around 3 floors per building and around 5 buildings. Fights usually happen outside, rarely in the hallways and are mostly gang related/drug related. A few exceptions such as fights over girlfriends occur but really most fights end up in a small drug bust as well. I'd say as much as I hate my school they do a good job taking care of fights, one day we had six simultaenous fights after lunch it was crazy but they handled it professionally and swiftly.
Personally, if I fight on school grounds I'd do it in the gym fields where there is nothing that can become a weapon and grass doesnt hurt much if you're slammed into it.
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 09, 2006, 04:26:12 AM
no, you can waive anything & everything I believe. There was the one dude that went on fear factor & almost died...he couldnt sue even if he did die because he sign a waiver.
I actually would have thought the reason he couldn't sue if he died would be because he was dead. His family would not have been able to sue if he had signed that waiver, though.
Quote from: Nate on July 09, 2006, 10:06:44 AM
I have gone to both public and private high school. Never was searched at private school. They brought the dogs in every other week at public school.
Think of the dogs as an animal show. Now, did you ever have animal shows at your private school?
@Hitmen: Only about two fights a year in a 2500 kid school. That's amazing. My school had less than 200, and we had more fights than that.
It's really sad what condition my school managed to degrade into. At first, my school didn't do anything with the K-9 drug dog. Then, in my junior year, they started with all the drug busts. It's really pathetic how little the lower classmen (this is just my school) cared about the law and what they had learned.
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 09, 2006, 04:26:12 AM
no, you can waive anything & everything I believe. There was the one dude that went on fear factor & almost died...he couldnt sue even if he did die because he sign a waiver.
Insurance/Responsibility waivers are one thing (it was still his choice), but I don't think you can sign yourself into slavery.
Quote from: unTactical on July 09, 2006, 04:18:42 PM
Insurance/Responsibility waivers are one thing (it was still his choice), but I don't think you can sign yourself into slavery.
I doubt it because that's illegal.
Quote from: dark_drake on July 09, 2006, 04:32:11 PM
Quote from: unTactical on July 09, 2006, 04:18:42 PM
Insurance/Responsibility waivers are one thing (it was still his choice), but I don't think you can sign yourself into slavery.
I doubt it because that's illegal.
Thats my point...
Quote from: Warriorx86] link=topic=6557.msg79703#msg79703 date=1152475060]
Personally, if I fight on school grounds I'd do it in the gym fields where there is nothing that can become a weapon and grass doesnt hurt much if you're slammed into it.
It's not the shit around you gotta worry about, it's the butterfly in the sewn in pocket of their pants that should be your main concern :X
Quote from: unTactical on July 09, 2006, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on July 09, 2006, 04:26:12 AM
no, you can waive anything & everything I believe. There was the one dude that went on fear factor & almost died...he couldnt sue even if he did die because he sign a waiver.
Insurance/Responsibility waivers are one thing (it was still his choice), but I don't think you can sign yourself into slavery.
slavery is a forced thing, you dont volunteer for slavery.
if you DID sign yourself over to work for however many years...you have to work for however many years unless you break the contract
That's being an indentured servant, not a slave.
Quote from: rabbit on July 10, 2006, 10:39:10 PM
That's being an indentured servant, not a slave.
yeah...
you cant sign yourself into slavery, at all, period.