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Title: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on August 31, 2006, 10:34:46 PM
www.mozilla.com

Since I was still using Alpha1, it was an automatic update.  They made it look prettier/shinier, an added a few handy features.  Tabs are handled a little better, and there's a built-in spellchecker, which is always handy.  The settings page is completely revamped and sexy.  They're definitely moving in a good direction! :)

Bad things: they screwed up alt-s as a shortcut.  I sent in a bug-report about it, I hope they fix it, I hate submitting posts by clicking on "Post" :(
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Joe on August 31, 2006, 10:36:21 PM
Tab Enter is how I do it.

Thanks for posting, iago. :)
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: RoMi on August 31, 2006, 11:37:09 PM
They call it Beta 2 on their website.  http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/releases/2.0b2.html
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Ergot on August 31, 2006, 11:39:24 PM
That's because silly iago uses the Canadian alphabet that starts where alpha follows beta :).
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on August 31, 2006, 11:40:06 PM
Well, they went from Alpha1 to Beta 2.  Shut up :P
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Joe on September 01, 2006, 01:05:53 AM
Next it'll be gamma. Ahahaha, Joe made a funny!

Interesting though, that gamma is a computer term as well. :)
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Ergot on September 01, 2006, 01:19:04 AM
Yea... you need to put down the crackpipe iago...
It was clearly Firefox 2.0 Beta 1 according to this slashdot article from July: http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/11/1228248.shtml
Then again, it might have just been you using some Alpha version.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: rabbit on September 01, 2006, 09:36:40 AM
Alpha is like the Beta form of a Beta (at least with Firefox), isn't it?
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Joe on September 01, 2006, 02:59:09 PM
It uses too damn much bandwidth.

Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=257ms TTL=239
Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=208ms TTL=239
Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=1561ms TTL=239
Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=1935ms TTL=239
Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=983ms TTL=239
Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=372ms TTL=239
Reply from 72.14.205.104: bytes=32 time=257ms TTL=239


It didn't raise above 500ms before while browsng the forums.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 04, 2006, 03:21:09 PM
Wow, the search box drops down an auto-completes to common searches.  I'm not entirely sure where the info comes from, or if it's a privacy risk (does it save my queries?  I don't know...).  Either way, it's really cool, I put in "HandleGOTD" and it filled in "font download".  "javaop bot" and "javaop battle.net" are there. 

I'm going to search it for "x86 clan rules" -- can somebody else on FF2 try searching that?  I'm curious if it gets saved. 

Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 04, 2006, 03:26:35 PM
Also, it's Google that suggests searches, not FireFox, which means I know who to blame is this is a privacy thing:

GET /complete/search?output=firefox&client=firefox&qu=rul HTTP/1.1
Host: suggestqueries.google.com
[.....]

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
[......]


The actual search code is gzip'ed, so I didn't bother posting it here. 

You can get your own suggestions by filling in the query here:
http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&client=firefox&qu=x86
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: MyndFyre on September 05, 2006, 07:56:28 PM
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2006, 10:34:46 PM
Bad things: they screwed up alt-s as a shortcut.  I sent in a bug-report about it, I hope they fix it, I hate submitting posts by clicking on "Post" :(
I hate web page shortcuts.  If I press Alt+E, I want to use the Edit menu, not go to the "Search" box on Wikipedia.  And no, I didn't want to "Delete" the page from my MediaWiki either (on a plus side, at least IE doesn't automatically navigate to the "delete" page when I press Alt+D), I wanted to go to the address bar.

I think that it's the worst "feature" ever to come across into browsers.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: rabbit on September 05, 2006, 08:06:53 PM
Address bar is F6, silly :P
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 05, 2006, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7227.msg90461#msg90461 date=1157500588]
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2006, 10:34:46 PM
Bad things: they screwed up alt-s as a shortcut.  I sent in a bug-report about it, I hope they fix it, I hate submitting posts by clicking on "Post" :(
I hate web page shortcuts.  If I press Alt+E, I want to use the Edit menu, not go to the "Search" box on Wikipedia.  And no, I didn't want to "Delete" the page from my MediaWiki either (on a plus side, at least IE doesn't automatically navigate to the "delete" page when I press Alt+D), I wanted to go to the address bar.

I think that it's the worst "feature" ever to come across into browsers.
Hah, you're probably right. Although I probably wouldn't make a shortcut to something dangerous like Delete :P

And Rabbit's right, the addressbar is F6 :)
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: MyndFyre on September 05, 2006, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: iago on September 05, 2006, 08:52:46 PM
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7227.msg90461#msg90461 date=1157500588]
Quote from: iago on August 31, 2006, 10:34:46 PM
Bad things: they screwed up alt-s as a shortcut.  I sent in a bug-report about it, I hope they fix it, I hate submitting posts by clicking on "Post" :(
I hate web page shortcuts.  If I press Alt+E, I want to use the Edit menu, not go to the "Search" box on Wikipedia.  And no, I didn't want to "Delete" the page from my MediaWiki either (on a plus side, at least IE doesn't automatically navigate to the "delete" page when I press Alt+D), I wanted to go to the address bar.

I think that it's the worst "feature" ever to come across into browsers.
Hah, you're probably right. Although I probably wouldn't make a shortcut to something dangerous like Delete :P

And Rabbit's right, the addressbar is F6 :)
I don't know if Alt-D doesn't work in Linux (I think it does), but it's A&ddress in Windows, so the accelerator key for it is Alt-D.  :P
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 05, 2006, 10:19:08 PM
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7227.msg90475#msg90475 date=1157507042]
I don't know if Alt-D doesn't work in Linux (I think it does), but it's A&ddress in Windows, so the accelerator key for it is Alt-D.  :P
If you're talking about IE, that doesn't run on Linux anyways. 

If you're talking about FireFox, alt-E brings up the "&Edit" menu.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Super_X on September 05, 2006, 11:39:04 PM
On Mozilla 1.7 Alt+D is the address bar.  So, it's true on linux for my standards.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: MyndFyre on September 06, 2006, 01:44:10 PM
Quote from: iago on September 05, 2006, 10:19:08 PM
If you're talking about IE, that doesn't run on Linux anyways. 

If you're talking about FireFox, alt-E brings up the "&Edit" menu.
Alt+D works for FireFox and IE both for the Address bar.  Alt+E brings up the Edit menu for both.  But on Wikipedia, for instance, they have the "S&earch" box so Alt+E doesn't work there, and they have "&Delete" accelerated too, for Alt+D.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 06, 2006, 02:01:33 PM
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7227.msg90561#msg90561 date=1157564650]
Quote from: iago on September 05, 2006, 10:19:08 PM
If you're talking about IE, that doesn't run on Linux anyways. 

If you're talking about FireFox, alt-E brings up the "&Edit" menu.
Alt+D works for FireFox and IE both for the Address bar.  Alt+E brings up the Edit menu for both.  But on Wikipedia, for instance, they have the "S&earch" box so Alt+E doesn't work there, and they have "&Delete" accelerated too, for Alt+D.
Ah, Alt+D works fine here.  Blame that on some form of dimentia on my part. 
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 06, 2006, 06:25:39 PM
Another thing that is bothering me about this version: they got rid of the backspace shortcut to go "back". 

I wish they would allow all user-defined shortcuts for everything, from back/forward/submitting the current form/etc.  That would be my ideal solution to all of this. 
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: rabbit on September 06, 2006, 07:55:32 PM
GOOD!! I fucking hate backspace being back.  Firefox (Windows and Slack) and IE both randomly go back a page when I hit backspace when typing in a message in a textbox or textarea somewhere.  It pisses me the hell off.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: Newby on September 06, 2006, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: iago on September 06, 2006, 06:25:39 PM
I wish they would allow all user-defined shortcuts for everything, from back/forward/submitting the current form/etc.  That would be my ideal solution to all of this. 

Opera. :)
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: nslay on September 06, 2006, 08:20:18 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 06, 2006, 07:58:40 PM
Quote from: iago on September 06, 2006, 06:25:39 PM
I wish they would allow all user-defined shortcuts for everything, from back/forward/submitting the current form/etc.  That would be my ideal solution to all of this. 

Opera. :)

Yeah, Opera has some pretty nice features.
Among those:
- A built in Bit Torrent client (acts like any other download)
- A 'site preferences' feature allowing you to disable specific plugins, change java script rules, change pop-up rules, change cookie rules and so forth for specific websites.
- A block content feature ... although Firefox has an AdBlock extension
- Widgets
- Thumbnail preview for tabs (so you can just hover on a tab to see what it is)

You can see all of Opera's features here: http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/

Things Opera doesn't have:
- SOCKS support ... shame on them  >:(

It does have other types of proxy support...just not SOCKS.
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: rabbit on September 06, 2006, 08:27:08 PM
I prefer adblock to Opera's "Block Content"...
Title: Re: Firefox 2 Alpha 2 available
Post by: iago on September 06, 2006, 08:41:22 PM
Quote from: nslay on September 06, 2006, 08:20:18 PM
Yeah, Opera has some pretty nice features.
Among those:
- A built in Bit Torrent client (acts like any other download)
- A 'site preferences' feature allowing you to disable specific plugins, change java script rules, change pop-up rules, change cookie rules and so forth for specific websites.
- A block content feature ... although Firefox has an AdBlock extension
- Widgets
- Thumbnail preview for tabs (so you can just hover on a tab to see what it is)
Sorry, but I have to put down Opera, even though I do occasionally use it :P

Bit Torrent -- I don't like my browser having stuff like that.  I can see it being useful for certain downloads, I suppose, but I'd rather have BitTorrent run as its own program.
Site Preferences -- Neat, but probably not terribly useful
Block Content -- AdBlock owns it :)
Widgets -- I don't know what those are, so they probably suck :P
Thumbnail preview sounds like a lot of overhead, and I don't think many people have dozens of tabs open at once, likely..

I still like my FireFox :)