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Title: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: deadly7 on September 19, 2006, 07:19:46 PM
Stupid fucking Motorola.
EVERY time I use Bittorrent and leave it running overnight while seeding my router fucking EXPLODES and thinks the modem is offline.  Stupid piece of shit.  Maybe [hopefully!] a firmware update will fix it.  Otherwise, I'm switching back to the D-Link Switch I will hopefully get back once my brother brings it back.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: Chavo on September 19, 2006, 07:27:31 PM
motorolla makes routers?  :o
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 19, 2006, 07:30:53 PM
I had that issue, too, using Linux for a router.  It was because it only supports tracking 32k simultaneous (or nearby) connections, and using BitTorrent would kill that limit.  To fix it, I just limited BitTorrent's outgoing connection count and limited the upload/download speed, and I haven't had a problem since. 
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: deadly7 on September 19, 2006, 09:01:08 PM
Mine is limited to. 250 or 200 peers total.  My max up speed is 35.0kb/s, I have 40-42.0kb/s available.  My max down speed is.. unlimited.  That won't do anything if I'm seeding and this problem happens, anyways. :p

Quote from: unTactical on September 19, 2006, 07:27:31 PM
motorolla makes routers?  :o
Yeah..  Don't get me started.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 19, 2006, 09:16:06 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on September 19, 2006, 09:01:08 PM
Mine is limited to. 250 or 200 peers total.  My max up speed is 35.0kb/s, I have 40-42.0kb/s available.  My max down speed is.. unlimited.  That won't do anything if I'm seeding and this problem happens, anyways. :p
Try lowing all that and see if it helps?  The peer count for sure.  How routers/firewalls track UDP connections (which BitTorrent frequently uses) varies.  They sometimes hang around for up to an hour or more.  In that case, hitting the 32k ceiling still isn't easy, but very possible on a popular torrent.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: TeHFoOoL on September 19, 2006, 09:46:43 PM
Maybe something in the Indian air messes with the internal ventilation system.. I've had that problem whenever I visit India.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: deadly7 on September 19, 2006, 11:18:45 PM
Quote from: iago on September 19, 2006, 09:16:06 PM
Try lowing all that and see if it helps?  The peer count for sure.  How routers/firewalls track UDP connections (which BitTorrent frequently uses) varies.  They sometimes hang around for up to an hour or more.  In that case, hitting the 32k ceiling still isn't easy, but very possible on a popular torrent.
The torrents I download are all, at most, 200 peers and 100 seeders.  Except for the occasional thing like Slackware, they are generally not very populous.

I sent Motorola an e-mail about this.. let's see what they say.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
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Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 20, 2006, 08:15:22 AM
Quote from: deadly7 on September 19, 2006, 11:18:45 PM
The torrents I download are all, at most, 200 peers and 100 seeders.  Except for the occasional thing like Slackware, they are generally not very populous.

I sent Motorola an e-mail about this.. let's see what they say.
So, you're completely unwilling to try and fix the problem?  Then why even bother posting it here, just to whine about it?
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: deadly7 on September 20, 2006, 08:29:06 AM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 08:15:22 AM
So, you're completely unwilling to try and fix the problem?  Then why even bother posting it here, just to whine about it?

No.. I just don't feel like reading through the manual (which I don't even know where I put it) to find the maximum number of connections supported.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 20, 2006, 09:45:01 AM
Quote from: deadly7 on September 20, 2006, 08:29:06 AM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 08:15:22 AM
So, you're completely unwilling to try and fix the problem?  Then why even bother posting it here, just to whine about it?

No.. I just don't feel like reading through the manual (which I don't even know where I put it) to find the maximum number of connections supported.
It's not like you can tell how many connections BitTorrent makes, anyways.  With default settings on, I think, Azureus, I hit the 32k mark pretty fast (couple hours).  And it's pretty unlikely that anything would attempt to track more than 32766 simultaneous connections, it's mostly about how fast it forgets about old connections. 

To try and mitigate it: halve the number of connections your BitTorrent client can make, and see if you still have the same problem. 
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: Nate on September 20, 2006, 10:25:05 AM
Stop bad mouthing Motorola routers.  At least they have cool names like 'Surfboard', can you say that about anyother router manufacturer? No, so choose Motorola where they care more about coolness then functionality.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 20, 2006, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Nate on September 20, 2006, 10:25:05 AM
Stop bad mouthing Motorola routers.  At least they have cool names like 'Surfboard', can you say that about anyother router manufacturer? No, so choose Motorola where they care more about coolness then functionality.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 'SURFboard' a modem?
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: Chavo on September 20, 2006, 12:32:49 PM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Nate on September 20, 2006, 10:25:05 AM
Stop bad mouthing Motorola routers.  At least they have cool names like 'Surfboard', can you say that about anyother router manufacturer? No, so choose Motorola where they care more about coolness then functionality.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 'SURFboard' a modem?
Indeed, a very popular one at that.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: deadly7 on September 20, 2006, 08:02:44 PM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 09:45:01 AM
It's not like you can tell how many connections BitTorrent makes, anyways.  With default settings on, I think, Azureus, I hit the 32k mark pretty fast (couple hours).  And it's pretty unlikely that anything would attempt to track more than 32766 simultaneous connections, it's mostly about how fast it forgets about old connections. 

To try and mitigate it: halve the number of connections your BitTorrent client can make, and see if you still have the same problem. 
I got the answer in the e-mail.  254 IP address connections.  Agh.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 20, 2006, 08:09:12 PM
That sounds like the number of IPs it can serve up, or maybe the number of simultaneous connections.  I wouldn't trust what Tech Support says, ever..
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: Killer360 on September 20, 2006, 09:55:04 PM
My D-link router does the same thing... It just gets all fucked up--I switched torrent clients and it worked. I dumped uTorrent and now I'm using azureus.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: deadly7 on September 23, 2006, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 08:09:12 PM
That sounds like the number of IPs it can serve up, or maybe the number of simultaneous connections.  I wouldn't trust what Tech Support says, ever..
Yeah.. isn't that what I said? :P
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: Armin on September 23, 2006, 02:26:05 AM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 11:19:31 AM
Quote from: Nate on September 20, 2006, 10:25:05 AM
Stop bad mouthing Motorola routers.  At least they have cool names like 'Surfboard', can you say that about anyother router manufacturer? No, so choose Motorola where they care more about coolness then functionality.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 'SURFboard' a modem?
It's also the name of a Motorola router. I used to own one.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: Chavo on September 23, 2006, 02:39:08 AM
Crazy, I didn't believe you so I checked.  They don't call them surfboards anywhere on the motorolla site, but several vendor pictures show several combination router/modem's labelled as surfboards.
Title: Re: I HATE MY ROUTER
Post by: iago on September 23, 2006, 02:48:26 AM
Quote from: deadly7 on September 23, 2006, 01:51:37 AM
Quote from: iago on September 20, 2006, 08:09:12 PM
That sounds like the number of IPs it can serve up, or maybe the number of simultaneous connections.  I wouldn't trust what Tech Support says, ever..
Yeah.. isn't that what I said? :P
I gave two options, and I'm not sure which one it is.  So I was trying to elaborate on what you were told, but I wasn't sure exactly what they meant.