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#1 = marijuana
#7 = pirated software
#16 = pirated movies
#20 = pirated music
So apparently piracy isn't that big a deal, really. Sure, it's up there, but it ain't the biggest problem, and considering those statistics were given by the MPAA/RIAA, they are probably hyperbolic as it is!
(And apparently it made /. now! Damn me for not checking my RSS feeds earlier.)
Apparently I've been in the wrong business all along! I should be pirating software not trafficking humans!
Wtf? Counterfeit Batteries?!? (http://www.havocscope.com/Counterfeit/batteries.htm)
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 25, 2006, 06:55:13 PM
Wtf? Counterfeit Batteries?!? (http://www.havocscope.com/Counterfeit/batteries.htm)
LOL!
Who does that!?
Pot is a $141 billion/yr business, dang...I should get in on that!
I believe if the government stopped wasting millions (billions?) of dollars of tax money on sending people associated to Marijuana into prison, legalized it, and taxed it, the world would be a much better of place than giving all of that money to drug dealers and gangs.
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 01:07:57 AM
I believe if the government stopped wasting millions (billions?) of dollars of tax money on sending people associated to Marijuana into prison, legalized it, and taxed it, the world would be a much better of place than giving all of that money to drug dealers and gangs.
You honestly think that's a trivial task?
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 02:09:20 AM
You honestly think that's a trivial task?
Yes.
People caught driving under the influence of marijuana can and already are prosecuted under the same DUI laws as alcohol.
Companies will become the manufacturers and distributors of marijuana. Think people will scorn them? Nah. Philip Morris, one of the largest US cigarette manufacturers, also owns Kraft Foods, Kool-Aid, Nabisco, Oscar Meyer, and Maxwell House (among others). These same companies already have a large distribution infrastructure.
The government will get free money and will save millions a year on infrastructure costs by letting the potheads (the ones in jail just for using/posession) will be let out.
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7697.msg96291#msg96291 date=1161843477]
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 02:09:20 AM
You honestly think that's a trivial task?
The government will get free money...
That's pushing it
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7697.msg96291#msg96291 date=1161843477]
People caught driving under the influence of marijuana can and already are prosecuted under the same DUI laws as alcohol.
Are you saying that this shouldn't be the case?
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 03:15:23 AM
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7697.msg96291#msg96291 date=1161843477]
People caught driving under the influence of marijuana can and already are prosecuted under the same DUI laws as alcohol.
Are you saying that this shouldn't be the case?
I think MyndFyre is saying that everything is already setup for it. We use the same laws to punish the pot-DUIers as the booze-DUIers, no new laws needed for stuff like that. Only new laws needed would be in regards to regulation of the substance.
Quote from: CrAz3D on October 26, 2006, 09:49:31 AM
I think MyndFyre is saying that everything is already setup for it. We use the same laws to punish the pot-DUIers as the booze-DUIers, no new laws needed for stuff like that. Only new laws needed would be in regards to regulation of the substance.
Which is easier said than done. How much of the pot on the streets is actually pot? Tons of it comes laced with other crap. I think the governments would still have to punish sellers, which is still a lot of work and a lot of cells in prison.
If selling it becomes legal, then it will be sold by companies who will probably not only sell it for less, yet not lace it with crap. There will be absolutely no point for a person to sell drugs anymore. Even if there was, the government would be sending a lot less people to jail as they'd only be sending the dealers into prison vs the users.
Haha, do they actually throw users in jail down there? Wow..
Here, they don't give a rat's ass about users, they only care about people selling it.
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 06:30:55 PM
If selling it becomes legal, then it will be sold by companies who will probably not only sell it for less, yet not lace it with crap. There will be absolutely no point for a person to sell drugs anymore. Even if there was, the government would be sending a lot less people to jail as they'd only be sending the dealers into prison vs the users.
The dealers will be very capable at selling at lower prices.
Quote from: iago on October 26, 2006, 07:26:54 PM
Haha, do they actually throw users in jail down there? Wow..
Here, they don't give a rat's ass about users, they only care about people selling it.
No. There's a fine, but that's about it. I'm sure they'll throw you in jail under some special circumstances (ie, it's the 10th time they've caught you, you were driving or in a position that put people in danger), but I don't think I've known anyone who went to jail for posession.
Pirating music is only as bad as illegally fishing. :)
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 07:54:58 PM
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 06:30:55 PM
If selling it becomes legal, then it will be sold by companies who will probably not only sell it for less, yet not lace it with crap. There will be absolutely no point for a person to sell drugs anymore. Even if there was, the government would be sending a lot less people to jail as they'd only be sending the dealers into prison vs the users.
The dealers will be very capable at selling at lower prices.
I never said they wouldn't be capable, I just said there would be no point. There wouldn't be the same amount of money in the product. It's pretty much the same reason that you don't see anyone making their own alcohol and selling it.
Quote from: Joex86] link=topic=7697.msg96384#msg96384 date=1161910755]
Pirating music is only as bad as illegally fishing. :)
Well, illegal fishing is a huge problem on the east coast. There was a big international incident about that a couple years back.
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 09:15:10 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 07:54:58 PM
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 06:30:55 PM
If selling it becomes legal, then it will be sold by companies who will probably not only sell it for less, yet not lace it with crap. There will be absolutely no point for a person to sell drugs anymore. Even if there was, the government would be sending a lot less people to jail as they'd only be sending the dealers into prison vs the users.
The dealers will be very capable at selling at lower prices.
I never said they wouldn't be capable, I just said there would be no point. There wouldn't be the same amount of money in the product. It's pretty much the same reason that you don't see anyone making their own alcohol and selling it.
Here in Oregon there are tons of people that make their own alcohol. Also, the gov't can't really tax it (pot), because any one can grow it. That's really the reason for it to remain illegal, they can't regulate the sale of it.
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 09:15:10 PM
I never said they wouldn't be capable, I just said there would be no point. There wouldn't be the same amount of money in the product. It's pretty much the same reason that you don't see anyone making their own alcohol and selling it.
People don't make their own alcohol because it takes great amount of efforts to make a product comparable to something that has been commercially produced. I don't suspect the same will be true with marijuana.
In any case, either
speculation is dumb to label as
fact. :P
Quote from: Super_X on October 26, 2006, 11:31:08 PM
Also, the gov't can't really tax it (pot), because any one can grow it. That's really the reason for it to remain illegal, they can't regulate the sale of it.
But people still pay a great deal of money for it (obviously, from the topic of this thread) , so it can be taxed.
Quote from: Rule on October 27, 2006, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Super_X on October 26, 2006, 11:31:08 PM
Also, the gov't can't really tax it (pot), because any one can grow it. That's really the reason for it to remain illegal, they can't regulate the sale of it.
But people still pay a great deal of money for it (obviously, from the topic of this thread) , so it can be taxed.
People pay a great deal of money for "Indian cigerettes" as well, they are tax free. (Yes, because they're made on reservations, but my point is it's do-able.) If it's not illegal there would be more people growing it, aswell as consumming it. Sure, some would be large companys, but many others will as well. It would also be un-constituional to limit the growth to spacific companys insead of every one.
Quote from: Super_X on October 27, 2006, 02:19:23 AM
Quote from: Rule on October 27, 2006, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Super_X on October 26, 2006, 11:31:08 PM
Also, the gov't can't really tax it (pot), because any one can grow it. That's really the reason for it to remain illegal, they can't regulate the sale of it.
But people still pay a great deal of money for it (obviously, from the topic of this thread) , so it can be taxed.
People pay a great deal of money for "Indian cigerettes" as well, they are tax free. (Yes, because they're made on reservations, but my point is it's do-able.)
Hahahaha... thanks for proving your counter-argument to be meaningless.
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 11:51:02 PM
Quote from: Metal Militia on October 26, 2006, 09:15:10 PM
I never said they wouldn't be capable, I just said there would be no point. There wouldn't be the same amount of money in the product. It's pretty much the same reason that you don't see anyone making their own alcohol and selling it.
People don't make their own alcohol because it takes great amount of efforts to make a product comparable to something that has been commercially produced. I don't suspect the same will be true with marijuana.
In any case, either speculation is dumb to label as fact. :P
Okay, you seriously don't think that companies that can make it affordable, better-quality-than-your-rolled-at-home-joint, and safer will find a way to make money?
Let's talk about the buzz you get from cigarettes and how that's taken off....
Quote from: MyndFyrex86] link=topic=7697.msg96425#msg96425 date=1161936849]
Okay, you seriously don't think that companies that can make it affordable, better-quality-than-your-rolled-at-home-joint, and safer will find a way to make money?
Let's talk about the buzz you get from cigarettes and how that's taken off....
I think they're capable, but like I said, I think dealers will be able to sell at lower costs. :P
And like I said...
Quote from: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 11:51:02 PM
In any case, either speculation is dumb to label as fact. :P
Quote from: Rule on October 27, 2006, 03:26:36 AM
Quote from: Super_X on October 27, 2006, 02:19:23 AM
Quote from: Rule on October 27, 2006, 12:27:09 AM
Quote from: Super_X on October 26, 2006, 11:31:08 PM
Also, the gov't can't really tax it (pot), because any one can grow it. That's really the reason for it to remain illegal, they can't regulate the sale of it.
But people still pay a great deal of money for it (obviously, from the topic of this thread) , so it can be taxed.
People pay a great deal of money for "Indian cigerettes" as well, they are tax free. (Yes, because they're made on reservations, but my point is it's do-able.)
Hahahaha... thanks for proving your counter-argument to be meaningless.
I was just saying it doesn't matter how legal it is, it's still possible to sell tax-free items that usually are taxed.