Clan x86

Just curious ;)

It will also be interesting to see the difference between college students and high school students.

In my last 2 years, I handed in 100% of my homework.  And it was either on time or not handed in, no such thing as late.

I tend to do ~90% of it; the other 10% being an absolute waste of my time.

I don't have time to do all my homework. I have a really busy schedule. It's more a problem on the weekdays -- I get home at 7-7:30 every day.

I try to do all my homework though. I understand that it helps and I also understand that it is a price for compulsory education. Yet I also think that homework presents too rigid a learning approach. It forces you to read out of a certain textbook, do a certain set of excercises, and it often does not give you any "problems" -- only excercises.

Unfortunately, at the high school level, not everyone appreciates learning and is motivated to learn. Without homework, too many people wouldn't learn because they wouldn't be motivated to do so. I expect it improves in college, but I think that AP/BC/IB classes should have optional homework. (This means you can pick and choose which excercises and problems to do, based on what best befits your learning style.)

In the last two years, I did about 98% of my homework. This year's been hectic and different though, with personal issues, but it's all good now.

I end of handing in 100% of my homework, but I end of doing a big portion of my homework before school, at lunch, or I end up copying someone.

It depends on the class. I don't do homework for AP Environmental Science, French II, or AP World History. But I definitely do it all for Chemistry, AP Lang, Geo, and APCS.

I do it.  My homework is insanely lame, though.  If I didn't do it for my AP US history class, I'd be failing most definitely.  Physics and biology I'd have an A in, so whatev.  Gym doesn't count.

I always do it, no matter how mindless the exercises are.  I'm not "involved" in many activities aside from work and school, so I have the time for it.

I do it all the time unless I slips my mind.

I do all homework that I have to turn in.  However, if the homework isn't mandatory and just for my benefit, I won't do it if I don't feel like it.

I think you should have definitely separated "late" and "not at all" in this poll.

I'm home-schooled... 8)

Almost never except for projects and things worth more than one grade.  Or, as stated by some guy above, things that are mandatory.

I have been good about doing it this year but it still gets done at the very last minute (like morning it's due) oftentimes.

I'm a lot like iago; I hand in everything.

mine is usually done & in on time.

a VERY few times per semester do I do something late

Depends on the teacher really. If the teacher does not correct it I simply write in any letter or write down the dumbest shit I can think off. I rember for an English 11 verb packet. I wrote down just see what I could get away with. Oral Sex, Anal Sex, Donkey Sex, ect..... In pretty big lettering too, She glanced at it and marked it off as done. Just goes to show you how Public education has gone to the shitter in the past decade.

Quote from: Ergot on November 10, 2006, 07:33:50 PM
I do it all the time unless I slips my mind.

I used to have a bad habit of forgetting.  That's why in my last term, I was putting everything in Sunbird:
http://www.javaop.com/~ron/images/screenshots/calendar.png
The dark red ones are homework/exams.

I do my Japanese, English, and Engineering, I pay my friend to do my Chemistry, and I never do my math.

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 11:55:55 AM
I pay my friend to do my Chemistry

Are you serious? That's despicable.

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 11:55:55 AM
and I never do my math

Do you put forth an active effort to learn math?

You don't have to do math homework to learn math, or even want to learn math.

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 11:55:55 AM
I pay my friend to do my Chemistry

Are you serious?


Also, in first year, I can't really see what would qualify as "engineering" homework as opposed to math, chemistry or computer science homework.

I do my homework, but it's almost all turned in "late" because I usually don't get the assignment until the day after it's assigned. (I already have over 20 abscences this school year alone.) But, my teachers are amazed, since I'm still pulling an A in their classes (except AP Stats, because he lost my assignments.)

Overall, I do around 90%, depending on the class, but I procrastinate like none other, so if I get it done before midnight on the due date, it's something to be proud of. :)

Quote from: Rule on November 11, 2006, 01:34:26 PM

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 11:55:55 AM
I pay my friend to do my Chemistry

Are you serious?


Also, in first year, I can't really see what would qualify as "engineering" homework as opposed to math, chemistry or computer science homework.

We have labs we have to write and we have stuff to do outside class (I recently constructed a beam out of epoxy, toothpicks, and some carbon fiber.  6 grams held almost 63 kg!).  And I lied (partially) about chemistry.  I do the problems from the book, and I pay my friend to do the ones on OWL (which are stupid).

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 02:07:35 PM

Quote from: Rule on November 11, 2006, 01:34:26 PM

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 11:55:55 AM
I pay my friend to do my Chemistry

Are you serious?

Also, in first year, I can't really see what would qualify as "engineering" homework as opposed to math, chemistry or computer science homework.

We have labs we have to write and we have stuff to do outside class (I recently constructed a beam out of epoxy, toothpicks, and some carbon fiber.  6 grams held almost 63 kg!).  And I lied (partially) about chemistry.  I do the problems from the book, and I pay my friend to do the ones on OWL (which are stupid).

That's infernally despicable. If you're not going to do your homework, just don't do it -- don't cheat. =\

You may say "things are stupid and thus I'll do whatever to make them fair". That's subjective. If everyone took that attitude, there'd be anarchy, and you would be mired in a 21st-century French Revolution. So why can you and you alone break the rules? Are you better than other people? Maybe you think you are, but once again that's subjective; if everyone took that attitude... French Revolution.

Furthermore -- some laws are stupid, but morals are objectively correct. I agree with breaking certain laws and customs. But this is a morality issue, not a legal issue, so you can't argue "it's a stupid rule so I'll break it".

I don't really care what you say.  A question was asked and I answered honestly.  Furthermore, your opinion is wrong, please shut up.

I mostly agree with Ender.  Believing that you have been granted the right to ignore rules because you're "special" is terribly foolish... not to mention most academic integrety agreements pretty much state that you automatically flunk a class if you're caught cheating.

Speaking honesty.. how much do you pay your friend?

Quote from: Sidoh on November 11, 2006, 08:52:03 PM
I mostly agree with Ender.  Believing that you have been granted the right to ignore rules because you're "special" is terribly foolish... not to mention most academic integrety agreements pretty much state that you automatically flunk a class if you're caught cheating.

I never said I was special.

Quote from: Rule on November 11, 2006, 08:58:15 PM
Speaking honesty.. how much do you pay your friend?

$5.

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 09:40:32 PM

Quote from: Sidoh on November 11, 2006, 08:52:03 PM
I mostly agree with Ender.  Believing that you have been granted the right to ignore rules because you're "special" is terribly foolish... not to mention most academic integrety agreements pretty much state that you automatically flunk a class if you're caught cheating.

I never said I was special.

Quote from: Rule on November 11, 2006, 08:58:15 PM
Speaking honesty.. how much do you pay your friend?

$5.

Per test?  How much will you collectively pay this term? :P

Due to me being almost purely independant study, I rarely ever have homework. In the occasion that I get some for Spanish, it's usually done, but I'm good enough on tests and quizzes that I can definately afford to say "screw it" once in a while.

I do 100% of all of my homework. I can't sleep if I don't do homework.

Quote from: AntiVirus on November 12, 2006, 12:33:54 AM
I do 100% of all of my homework. I can't sleep if I don't do homework.

I thought I was the only one :O

Quote from: Sidoh on November 10, 2006, 05:56:46 PM
I always do it, no matter how mindless the exercises are.  I'm not "involved" in many activities aside from work and school, so I have the time for it.

I just wanted to comment on this thread and I thought that this would be an appropriate quote to use.

In my freshman class CSE120 - Digital Design Fundamentals (one in which each student individually designed a basic microprocessor and wrote our own microcode), our homework grade accounted for 8% of our final grade, as was in our syllabus.  Many other students told me that they would spend 4-6 hours a night on homework for a three-day-a-week class.  I decided to typically give the homework 1.5-2 hours, which would net me about 50% completion.  I always got A's on my tests and had one of the highest grades in the class at a 93%.

Just some food for thought.

Those 4-6 hours may have been vital to other students.  They may not have been able to digest the material without drilling it through their brains in large amounts.

Generally speaking, though, I agree.  On average, I spend 2-3 hours on homework a night.  If it came to the point where I was pressured to increase that to 4-6 on a regular basis, I would probably make the same decision you did.

Quote from: Rule on November 11, 2006, 09:43:11 PM

Quote from: rabbit on November 11, 2006, 09:40:32 PM

Quote from: Sidoh on November 11, 2006, 08:52:03 PM
I mostly agree with Ender.  Believing that you have been granted the right to ignore rules because you're "special" is terribly foolish... not to mention most academic integrety agreements pretty much state that you automatically flunk a class if you're caught cheating.

I never said I was special.

Quote from: Rule on November 11, 2006, 08:58:15 PM
Speaking honesty.. how much do you pay your friend?

$5.

Per test?  How much will you collectively pay this term? :P

I've done it once.  Our homework isn't really given out per test.  A large portion of it will be on a test, but some of it is too recent to be on it.

Deffinitely not enough of the time. Though I keep promising myself to do more in the future.

Quote from: Sidoh on November 12, 2006, 02:45:50 AM
Those 4-6 hours may have been vital to other students.  They may not have been able to digest the material without drilling it through their brains in large amounts.

Generally speaking, though, I agree.  On average, I spend 2-3 hours on homework a night.  If it came to the point where I was pressured to increase that to 4-6 on a regular basis, I would probably make the same decision you did.

If I were pressured to increase to a 4-6 hour or even 2-3 hour study period, I'd just say "screw it." Honestly, I go to school seven hours a day, usually work 5+ hours a day, and would like a few hours to sit at home, post on forums, watch TV, etc, before sleeping. :)

During the second half of my second year of University, I had ridiculous amounts of homework/tests.  I'd be spending the better part of my evenings and weekends doing homework, plus working 24 hours/week.  It was so bad, I didn't even tell any of my friends that my birthday was coming up/here/past, I didn't have time to celebrate. 

Quote from: Sidoh on November 12, 2006, 02:45:50 AM
Those 4-6 hours may have been vital to other students.  They may not have been able to digest the material without drilling it through their brains in large amounts.

Generally speaking, though, I agree.  On average, I spend 2-3 hours on homework a night.  If it came to the point where I was pressured to increase that to 4-6 on a regular basis, I would probably make the same decision you did.

The end result of spending so much time on homework was often that they were overworked.  Few people have that much time to spend on homework from one class.

Generally I felt that if I wasn't "getting" it by the time I spent about two hours on it, more time wasn't going to help. and it was time to talk to the professor or a TA.

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Generally I felt that if I wasn't "getting" it by the time I spent about two hours on it, more time wasn't going to help. and it was time to talk to the professor or a TA.

Yeah... I can't figure out why people will just stare at a problem for three hours and hope they'll get it.  I just tell them to go talk to their professors; they're always willing to help.

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The end result of spending so much time on homework was often that they were overworked.  Few people have that much time to spend on homework from one class.

Generally I felt that if I wasn't "getting" it by the time I spent about two hours on it, more time wasn't going to help. and it was time to talk to the professor or a TA.

Quote from: dark_drake on November 12, 2006, 01:05:34 PM
Yeah... I can't figure out why people will just stare at a problem for three hours and hope they'll get it.  I just tell them to go talk to their professors; they're always willing to help.

I'm not saying that they're not "getting" it.  If it takes them three times as long to do each problem as you, they're not necessarily spending a rediculous amount of time "staring at the problem."  Maybe it just takes them longer.

Lol@Ender. Get a life bro, who cares if someone else does your homework, seriously. It's fucking high school, we don't get paid for coming here, we get an education. If we feel we get a good education with another person doing part of your work, that's perfectly fine. Anyway, yeah I do like no homework, ever. It sucks, but eh, I'll still graduate, I could care less about a GPA.

Quote from: Sidoh on November 12, 2006, 01:33:40 PM
I'm not saying that they're not "getting" it.  If it takes them three times as long to do each problem as you, they're not necessarily spending a rediculous amount of time "staring at the problem."  Maybe it just takes them longer.

If that's how they want to work, they can go for it.  I'd prefer to work 20 mins with a professor explaining everything rather than work 3 hours on my own trying to hazily understand it.  Work smarter, not harder.  ;D I think the main problem is that for some reason or another, there's a stigma attached to going in for help.  If a person needs help understanding something, he's not an idiot.

Quote from: Krazed on November 12, 2006, 04:54:14 PM
Lol@Ender. Get a life bro, who cares if someone else does your homework, seriously. It's fucking high school, we don't get paid for coming here, we get an education. If we feel we get a good education with another person doing part of your work, that's perfectly fine. Anyway, yeah I do like no homework, ever. It sucks, but eh, I'll still graduate, I could care less about a GPA.

But don't you need a good GPA to go to the University of your choice?

Quote from: dark_drake on November 12, 2006, 05:07:44 PM
If that's how they want to work, they can go for it.  I'd prefer to work 20 mins with a professor explaining everything rather than work 3 hours on my own trying to hazily understand it.  Work smarter, not harder.  ;D I think the main problem is that for some reason or another, there's a stigma attached to going in for help.  If a person needs help understanding something, he's not an idiot.

You're assuming several things.  First of all, I never said someone should spend three hours on a simple problem.  I said it could take one person three times longer to do the same problem as someone else.  How are they to measure the competency on the subject if they're unaware of this fact?  Second of all, you're assuming that working with the professor is intrinsicly "better" for your understanding of the subject.  While this may be true for several cases, it's not necessarily true.  Coming to a realization by yourself is usually allows for a much deeper understanding.

Quote from: Sidoh on November 12, 2006, 01:33:40 PM
I'm not saying that they're not "getting" it.  If it takes them three times as long to do each problem as you, they're not necessarily spending a rediculous amount of time "staring at the problem."  Maybe it just takes them longer.

That's my point though.  I *never* finished my homework in that course.  I did as much as it took for me to "get it", and then I moved on.  I did exceptionally well on the tests and participated in class a lot.

The lesson that I learned in that course (and the one that I was trying to convey) was that when you're not getting rewarded for doing the work, you shouldn't make it a priority.  Understand enough of it to succeed and then move on. 

Now, that doesn't work in a class where 30% of the final grade is homework of course.  Just hope to god you don't have 4 classes that weight homework that much and pile it on.  ;)