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Poll
Question: "When viewing pornography, I"
Option 1: feel no guilt during or afterwards
Option 2: feel some guilt associated with the experience
Option 3: I do not look at pornography more than once a month
Title: Pornography
Post by: Rule on December 23, 2006, 01:45:14 PM
Please be honest.  There is no sense to lying in this poll, and if you do lie, you are only adding to your long list of sins, not reducing them :P.



If you don't mind, please elaborate on your choice. 
1) If you feel guilt, in what way, specifically, do you feel guilty?
2) If you feel guilt, why do you view it anyways?
3) If you feel guilt, are you or aren't you religious?  If you are, do you think your religious beliefs affect whether you feel guilt about this or not? 
4) If you feel guilt, how often, on average, do you view?
5) Did you feel no guilt at first, but after viewing on occasion for a lengthy period of time (several years), develop a sense of guilt? (Because of unusual things you saw?)
6) If you feel no guilt, how often, on average, do you view?
7) If you feel no guilt, are you or aren't you religious?  If you are, do you think your religious beliefs affect your attitude towards pornography?


Let me know any of your other thoughts!

Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: CrAz3D on December 23, 2006, 02:07:29 PM
Only feel some guilt, sometimes, not sure why.

I view...4-5 times a week ;)
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Armin on December 23, 2006, 02:17:17 PM
1) It's like a guilty embarrassed sort of thing.
2) Probably the same reason why I drink even though I know I'll get a hangover. It just doesn't outweigh it.
3) I'm not religious.
4) Anywhere from 0-10 times a week. It just depends on how bored I get.
5) I don't remember fully, but I do believe I always felt guilt.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Newby on December 23, 2006, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Rule on December 23, 2006, 01:45:14 PM
6) If you feel no guilt, how often, on average, do you view?
7) If you feel no guilt, are you or aren't you religious?  If you are, do you think your religious beliefs affect your attitude towards pornography?

On average... it balances out to about 20 minutes of porn a day.

I am not religious.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Ergot on December 23, 2006, 02:40:17 PM
No guilt? What's there to be guilty about?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Towelie on December 23, 2006, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Ergot on December 23, 2006, 02:40:17 PM
No guilt? What's there to be guilty about?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: ZeroX on December 23, 2006, 05:20:59 PM
Quote from: Towelie on December 23, 2006, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Ergot on December 23, 2006, 02:40:17 PM
No guilt? What's there to be guilty about?

Really the girls choose to be in Pornography and its a way of exposure I guess and your getting paid. I feel no guilt nor should I. On average I bet that almost 80% of all "male" americans look at porn weekly if not daily.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Furious on December 23, 2006, 06:00:46 PM
I don't look at porn anymore.  :-\

I just roll over and way my way  ;)
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Armin on December 23, 2006, 06:03:09 PM
Quote from: Metal Militia on December 23, 2006, 02:17:17 PM
1) It's like a guilty embarrassed sort of thing.
2) Probably the same reason why I drink even though I know I'll get a hangover. It just doesn't outweigh it.
3) I'm not religious.
4) Anywhere from 0-10 times a week. It just depends on how bored I get.
5) I don't remember fully, but I do believe I always felt guilt.
Also, it's not the pornography that makes me feel guilty, yet what I do while watching.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: iago on December 23, 2006, 06:03:31 PM
Funny -- although I have no problem with pornography, I'm not a fan of strippers.  Not really sure what the difference is, though.. *shrug*
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 23, 2006, 06:17:16 PM
The difference is that strippers aren't being raped by a tentacle demon xD

Eh.  I'm kind of religious, but I don't feel guilty.  I'm not nearly as horny as Newby, but I still average 15 minutes or so a day.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: disco on December 23, 2006, 07:54:05 PM
Quote from: Towelie on December 23, 2006, 02:59:22 PM
Quote from: Ergot on December 23, 2006, 02:40:17 PM
No guilt? What's there to be guilty about?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Fapiko on December 23, 2006, 09:53:30 PM
I have 45 gigs of porn on my server from WeLiveTogether, 8thStreetLatinas, MilfHunter, EuroSexParties, and FirstTimeAuditions.  You be the judge of whether or not I feel guilty and how often I look at it.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on December 23, 2006, 10:03:57 PM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 23, 2006, 09:53:30 PM
I have 45 gigs of porn on my server from WeLiveTogether, 8thStreetLatinas, MilfHunter, EuroSexParties, and FirstTimeAuditions.  You be the judge of whether or not I feel guilty and how often I look at it.

Something tells me you googled "porn" or "pornography," or some variant, and were brought to this thread. Then you created an account with the sole intention of making a post in this thread.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 23, 2006, 10:37:25 PM
Oo...he posts at vL too, Rule.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Ergot on December 23, 2006, 11:13:31 PM
Lol, I agree with Rule... kind of awkward to have one's first post about the size of his or her porn stash size.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Joe on December 24, 2006, 03:05:49 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.

Eh, it's worth it though.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: CrAz3D on December 24, 2006, 04:07:53 AM
Quote from: iago on December 23, 2006, 06:03:31 PM
Funny -- although I have no problem with pornography, I'm not a fan of strippers.  Not really sure what the difference is, though.. *shrug*
same

the first strip club I went to I didnt want to watch (bad club, g/f was there & was loving that it was a bad club & that I wasnt into it)
second club (i am single now) was jusdt...awkward
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Krazed on December 24, 2006, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.

Agreed. Go post in GameSnake's forum.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: abc on December 24, 2006, 03:16:14 PM
Meh, 1-3 times a week (DVD)... No Guilt anymore.

I'm not religious.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: d&q on December 25, 2006, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: Krazed on December 24, 2006, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.

Agreed. Go post in GameSnake's forum.

I disagree. That post fucking rocked.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: AntiVirus on December 25, 2006, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.
Damn, do you ever have anything nice to say?  The last two things I have read from you today has ended in "Shut the fuck up".
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on December 25, 2006, 02:08:18 AM
Quote from: AntiVirus on December 25, 2006, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.
Damn, do you ever have anything nice to say?  The last two things I have read from you today has ended in "Shut the fuck up".

Actually, what Rabbit said somewhat echoed my own thoughts. :P
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Explicit on December 25, 2006, 04:37:45 AM
I fall into the once a month group, seeing as how I don't fiend for sex as often as I probably should.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 25, 2006, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: AntiVirus on December 25, 2006, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.
Damn, do you ever have anything nice to say?  The last two things I have read from you today has ended in "Shut the fuck up".
I say nice things when they are due.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I speak my mind and I don't pull my blows (well, I try).  Anyway, nice shirt ^^
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Ender on December 25, 2006, 09:09:26 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 25, 2006, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: AntiVirus on December 25, 2006, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.
Damn, do you ever have anything nice to say?  The last two things I have read from you today has ended in "Shut the fuck up".
I say nice things when they are due.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I speak my mind and I don't pull my blows (well, I try).  Anyway, nice shirt ^^

That still doesn't answer the question of why you are so antagonistic...

Anyways, it's philosophies like yours that lead to jihads and crises like those in the Middle East. It's not that you speak your mind, it's the that you have so little tolerance for other people's posts.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: skip on December 25, 2006, 02:24:49 PM
I do not look at porn and the very fews I've had, I felt guilty.

Yes, I am religious.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: BigAznDaddy on December 25, 2006, 05:48:42 PM
Quote from: Newby on December 23, 2006, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Rule on December 23, 2006, 01:45:14 PM
6) If you feel no guilt, how often, on average, do you view?
7) If you feel no guilt, are you or aren't you religious?  If you are, do you think your religious beliefs affect your attitude towards pornography?

On average... it balances out to about 20 minutes of porn a day.

I am not religious.
HA more like 2 hours
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 25, 2006, 09:15:14 PM
Quote from: Ender on December 25, 2006, 09:09:26 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 25, 2006, 08:37:20 AM
Quote from: AntiVirus on December 25, 2006, 01:41:08 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.
Damn, do you ever have anything nice to say?  The last two things I have read from you today has ended in "Shut the fuck up".
I say nice things when they are due.  I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I speak my mind and I don't pull my blows (well, I try).  Anyway, nice shirt ^^

That still doesn't answer the question of why you are so antagonistic...

Anyways, it's philosophies like yours that lead to jihads and crises like those in the Middle East. It's not that you speak your mind, it's the that you have so little tolerance for other people's posts.
Well a lot of posts suck.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Joe on December 25, 2006, 09:47:19 PM
Kinda like the 30th reply to this thread?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Towelie on December 25, 2006, 10:59:58 PM
Quote from: Joex86] link=topic=8245.msg104201#msg104201 date=1167101239]
Kinda like the 30th reply to this thread?
I was thinking the 31st was worse
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Fapiko on December 26, 2006, 12:35:35 AM
People are almost as welcoming here as Valhalla Legends.  Maybe that's why it's the same stuck up kids that post on all those forums :p

Now, I'm awaiting the "If you don't like us don't post here reply".  Or maybe even a polite reply since I just wrote that I was expecting something rude.  Or maybe now a rude reply because I've said I expect a polite reply as a result of my expecting a rude reply.  Now maybe they won't reply at all.  Oh boy oh boy I have too much time on my hands.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: d&q on December 26, 2006, 12:38:01 AM
Even though I haven't the right,

On behalf of all the members of this board, I apologize for some of their rudeness and hope you will continue to post on this board.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Ergot on December 26, 2006, 01:46:56 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 26, 2006, 12:35:35 AM
People are almost as welcoming here as Valhalla Legends.  Maybe that's why it's the same stuck up kids that post on all those forums :p
Forum: Oh wow, it's a new member...
New member: I HAVE A GIANT PORN STASH
Forum: ...
New member: You guys are stuck up.
Forum: BAN.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on December 26, 2006, 02:18:26 AM
I'm surprised at how so many people claim they feel no guilt at all.  Are you all truly being honest, or just trying to protect yourselves?  Someone said that it was ok because they all choose to do what they do.  That is completely ridiculous - so ridiculous that whoever said that is either brainwashed by all the porn they watch, or is in denial. Perhaps some of them come up with the "decision" to be sexually humiliated for all to see, but this undeniably stems from the circumstances they were born into; in other words, there isn't much of a choice.  Often these girls are entrapped at very young ages by drugs and through physical coersion. Surely some of you who would feel no guilt watching porn would feel guilt hiring a prostitute.  This is because you are more disconnected while watching porn than you would be physically interacting with these people.  But by no means does that change the reality of their situation. 

I am on no moral high-ground, as I also occasionally look at porn.  I notice that the older 'models' generally look completely drained - as though their souls had been destroyed: maybe they are at a point where they can now be 'disposed' of without being beaten, threatened, or terrified by their 'owners', but it seems as though it is still too late for them; they will always be enslaved by the lifestyle they fell into. And the younger models, behind the superficial act, are clearly terrified as to what will come of them.  I've seen the 'first time videos', where some dirty man demeans these rather helpless girls in order to break them into a lifestyle of self-destruction and shame.

Yes, I feel guilty taking pleasure out of their situation, and I'm surprised at how few people share this guilt.

Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: iago on December 26, 2006, 02:25:27 AM
My sister's room-mate was in a pornography shoot recently.  She was given $1000 and a free trip to Miami, FL for a week.  She went down there, had fun, made money, and came back. 

Perhaps the models aren't all as abused as ones you're thinking of?  Because free-lance models seem to have a good deal. 
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on December 26, 2006, 02:28:56 AM
Quote from: iago on December 26, 2006, 02:25:27 AM
Perhaps the models aren't all as abused as ones you're thinking of? 

Yes, not all of them are so abused or hard done by.  But certainly a significant proportion of them are.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Sidoh on December 26, 2006, 03:23:58 AM
I was acquainted with someone who said that they paid all four years of undergraduate school by starring in porn.  I'm not sure I believed her, as she also said that she had over $100K of networking equipment in her house and seemed to whore attention, but I'm pretty sure that's possible anyway.

Quote from: Rule on December 26, 2006, 02:18:26 AM
I'm surprised at how so many people claim they feel no guilt at all.  Are you all truly being honest, or just trying to protect yourselves?  Someone said that it was ok because they all choose to do what they do.  That is completely ridiculous - so ridiculous that whoever said that is either brainwashed by all the porn they watch, or is in denial. Perhaps some of them come up with the "decision" to be sexually humiliated for all to see, but this undeniably stems from the circumstances they were born into; in other words, there isn't much of a choice.  Often these girls are entrapped at very young ages by drugs and through physical coersion. Surely some of you who would feel no guilt watching porn would feel guilt hiring a prostitute.  This is because you are more disconnected while watching porn than you would be physically interacting with these people.  But by no means does that change the reality of their situation.

I must say I agree.  I know I feel pretty guilty after the fact.  It boils down to 20 minutes to an hour a week, I'd say.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: iago on December 26, 2006, 11:22:22 AM
I think we can all agree on one thing, then: it's ok to watch amateur porn, where the models are one-off (ha) actresses who are making a quick buck. :)
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Towelie on December 26, 2006, 11:36:27 AM
Quote from: iago on December 26, 2006, 11:22:22 AM
I think we can all agree on one thing, then: it's ok to watch amateur porn, where the models are one-off (ha) actresses who are making a quick buck. :)
Which is all I watch! ;)
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 26, 2006, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 26, 2006, 12:35:35 AM
People are almost as welcoming here as Valhalla Legends.  Maybe that's why it's the same stuck up kids that post on all those forums :p
Maybe it's because you're a douchebag who provokes everyone around you.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: dark_drake on December 26, 2006, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: rabbit on December 26, 2006, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 26, 2006, 12:35:35 AM
People are almost as welcoming here as Valhalla Legends.  Maybe that's why it's the same stuck up kids that post on all those forums :p
Maybe it's because you're a douchebag who provokes everyone around you.
That sounds like a few other people on these forums.  :-\
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: rabbit on December 27, 2006, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: dark_drake on December 26, 2006, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: rabbit on December 26, 2006, 12:06:46 PM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 26, 2006, 12:35:35 AM
People are almost as welcoming here as Valhalla Legends.  Maybe that's why it's the same stuck up kids that post on all those forums :p
Maybe it's because you're a douchebag who provokes everyone around you.
That sounds like a few other people on these forums.  :-\
<3
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: dark_drake on December 27, 2006, 07:10:35 PM
Quote from: rabbit on December 27, 2006, 08:44:23 AM
<3
Christmas is love.  :)
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Hitmen on July 10, 2009, 11:30:08 PM
I am curious as to the current size of Fapiko's porn stash. Has it grown considerably in the 2.5 years since you first posted here?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: while1 on July 10, 2009, 11:35:32 PM
Quote from: Deuce&Quota on December 25, 2006, 12:51:17 AM
Quote from: Krazed on December 24, 2006, 10:07:43 AM
Quote from: rabbit on December 24, 2006, 09:30:18 AM
Quote from: Fapiko on December 24, 2006, 01:37:31 AM
Well here's how it went down.  Newby posts a link to some emo kid that's having troubles with some bipolar crazy bitch that took his virginity and decided to post it here for internet kids to give him advice rather than talk to his friends.  Anyways, I clicked the General Discussion tab and low and behold a topic called Pornography.  Couldn't help but click that beast.  Then I figured I might as well share the large porn collection that I have which I cannot access.  45 gigs takes a while to download over 56k if you know what I'm saying.
Honestly, we don't care.  Shut the fuck up.

Agreed. Go post in GameSnake's forum.

I disagree. That post fucking rocked.

I concur with Deuce.


And I feel no guilt whatsoever.  Only time I would feel guilt is if my mom caught me, and that's just feeling guilt because I got caught.  That and my mom is a devout Catholic who caught me looking at dirty sites when I was 13 and gave me a "sex is sacred" speech that forever made me reject religion.  If it's wrong to feel pleasure watching porn, then I don't want anything to do with a religion like that.

I'm not religious.  And I don't think most porn stars are victims.  I'm not sure what kind of porn you're watching Rule.  In fact, but you caught my interest, I want some of that which you talk about!!!  :P

And most "first time videos" are fake.  I've never seen a real virgin in porn.  And if it's a "first time on camera" type video, eh, I can't feel bad for them.  It's not like they were forced to do it.  They could have gotten a regular job and don't give me the "well maybe they couldn't pay the bills and porn is all they could do to bring in the money".  Sorry, maybe you should have gotten an education then or not put yourself in a situation where you had to do porn to pay the bills.  Has it ever occurred to anyone that perhaps some women just like to fuck and give pleasure?  Of course most pornstars don't orgasm when on screen, but still, they get paid for something they like to do.

Ok, I'm a bastard.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on July 11, 2009, 02:25:07 AM
By "first time", I meant first time on camera; but how would you know whether the girl is a virgin or not?  I doubt anyone you see in a porn video is a virgin, but it's not exactly something you can prove.

I was mostly just curious for opinions on this subject, since porn seems to have become such a normal part of peoples lives.  I also noticed that older porn-stars, e.g. long time porn actresses, not amateurs, seem to have this drained awful look about them.
 
Hmm... this thread reminds me of when people actually had discussions about things.  Wonder if the forums are going the same way as vL?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: while1 on July 11, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
Well, yeah you are probably right about older porn stars because it's true that most porn stars don't stay in the business very long.  Even the most successful ones.  Being in the biz for more than 5 years is a long time for a porn star normally.  Most will have moved on by then using the money they've made to go back to school or go to venture into a new field of work that's more conventional or perhaps their real dream.  So I'd imagine the actresses that are still in the biz after an extend period of time might be more drained and be less passionate about the job.

After all, the majority of porn actresses enter the biz in their youthful years (aka during their sexual prime).  So age plays a large factor in terms of sexual activity and interest in sex in general.  You'd have to be one of the few veterans like Nina Hartley, an 80's porn star with a very high sex drive who's a big advocate of sexual growth/enlightenment, sexual openness, and sexual education in order to stay in the business such a long time and still be passionate.

Hell, in 10 years I have a feeling that if I'm still doing plain old software engineering and not more research-oriented or at least more interesting bleeding-edge work, I'm going to have this awful drained look about me too.  There's nothing like going to a job you don't enjoy as much anymore every single day for years.

I have no problem or guilt about enjoying porn.  I do have a moral conflict if it's illegal pornographic content and would feel guilty from watching it if I later found out a participating party was forced to partake or unknowingly partook in it without their complete consent.  Other than that, the only emotion I feel comes from embarrassment when someone finds my porn stash or other personal items.  It's more just me thinking, "Shit, now they're going to think I'm a weirdo".   Or like I mentioned before, the guilt of being caught by my catholic mother.  Although, I no longer have to fear being caught by my mother or having a family member catch me, now that I don't live under their roof and am not financially dependent on them.  In most cases, my embarrassment or guilt comes from the fact that I've made another person feel embarrassed or uncomfortable by my actions and personal choice, lol.

I have no beef with those who don't enjoy porn or feel guilty by watching it.  I don't care if you have religious beliefs that frown upon it, as long as you don't try to preach to me or condemn me for not sharing the same views on the subject.  You see, despite being fiscally conservative, I'm not a social conservative.  I'm a proponent for legalization of marijuana, prostitution, gay marriage, etc.  Despite having never smoked a joint, never utilized the services of a prostitute, and being straight, I believe that what you do behind closed doors and the proclivities you enjoy are your own personal business, your own personal choice of lifestyle.  Others should be less quick to judge you as long as you aren't hurting someone else directly (and to an extent, indirectly- i.e. second hand smoke) by doing so.

However, I will concede that there have been times where I have questioned whether my enjoyment of porn will have given me bad habits that I'll have to break later down the road.  Kind of like the ones VB6 and Cuphead's CleanSlateBot gave me when I first started bot development and programming.  At this point it's merely speculation as to the possibility that porn might have given me an unrealistic view of sex and intimacy in real serious relationships.  Since I will admit that porn cannot relay the emotional gratification shared between two individuals who engage intimate acts and have a healthy, loving emotional relationship outside the bedroom.  But I don't think I'd feel guilt, shame, or embarrassment if it turns out that this realization is true.  Mainly because I'm a big proponent of personal responsibility.  In fact, I can sometimes be unintentionally harsh on others who are in situations of their own doing (I'm working on getting better at being more empathetic), and even more harsh on myself if the cause of my problems are because of my own failures.  So in the event I have been given some bad habits that will need breaking, I think I'll just feel like I'm an complete idiot for continuing to dig a deeper hole I'll eventually have to get myself out of, and deserve what I get.


Wow, this turned out to be helluva long... my bad.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on July 11, 2009, 12:29:46 PM
Quote from: while1 on July 11, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
Well, yeah you are probably right about older porn stars because it's true that most porn stars don't stay in the business very long.  Even the most successful ones.  Being in the biz for more than 5 years is a long time for a porn star normally.  Most will have moved on by then using the money they've made to go back to school or go to venture into a new field of work that's more conventional or perhaps their real dream.  So I'd imagine the actresses that are still in the biz after an extend period of time might be more drained and be less passionate about the job.

After all, the majority of porn actresses enter the biz in their youthful years (aka during their sexual prime).  So age plays a large factor in terms of sexual activity and interest in sex in general.  You'd have to be one of the few veterans like Nina Hartley, an 80's porn star with a very high sex drive who's a big advocate of sexual growth/enlightenment, sexual openness, and sexual education in order to stay in the business such a long time and still be passionate.

Hell, in 10 years I have a feeling that if I'm still doing plain old software engineering and not more research-oriented or at least more interesting bleeding-edge work, I'm going to have this awful drained look about me too.  There's nothing like going to a job you don't enjoy as much anymore every single day for years.

It's more than just a look of being bored with their job though.  It's like their soul has been destroyed.  You know the look I mean?  Someone can "look like a whore", and be wearing decent clothing.  It's this battered, depressing, used, unhealthy, seedy look.  Long-time prostitutes have the same look.  They can be fully dressed, and not be blatantly advertising sex, but that look/aura about them gives away that they're a prostitute.  And it's more than just a look of unhappiness..  there really is something seedy/soul-destroying about it.  In this context, I'm mostly talking about women 40 and over. 

Someone I know noticed this too... 
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Tuberload on July 11, 2009, 01:25:05 PM
There was a serial killer up in my region named Ted Bundey. While he was in his prime I believe he killed atleast 20-30 girls, maybe more. A lot of them were prostitutes and a few were even from my city. After he was caught and awaiting deathrow he had an encounter with God and was seen to have made amazing changes to who he was at a heart level. He began to help officials understand how a serial killer thinks and some reasons he gets started. He said pornography coupled with other elements is what got him and many others started in there twisted lifestyle. He was later executed.

I used to be an avid watcher of porn but am now seriously ashamed of how it made me look and feel towards woman. I still struggle with lust and it is an issue that hurts me more than anything else in context to my engagement with my beautifull wife to be and the prospect of having a daughter in the years to come. It's not about being religious, it's about the damage it does in individuals, families, and our social structures as a whole.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Hitmen on July 11, 2009, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: while1 on July 11, 2009, 09:51:00 AM
However, I will concede that there have been times where I have questioned whether my enjoyment of porn will have given me bad habits that I'll have to break later down the road.  Kind of like the ones VB6 and Cuphead's CleanSlateBot gave me when I first started bot development and programming.
LOL! Best analogy ever.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: iago on July 11, 2009, 03:18:44 PM
My friend brought up an interesting point recently, which may actually be better for its own thread: what's worse, watching porn or watching strippers? (worse = less moral, less right, less ethical, whatever)
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Towelie on July 11, 2009, 08:44:08 PM
Quote from: iago on July 11, 2009, 03:18:44 PM
My friend brought up an interesting point recently, which may actually be better for its own thread: what's worse, watching porn or watching strippers? (worse = less moral, less right, less ethical, whatever)

Well, with strippers you are directly supporting the girl, so I think its better to do that. (Can you tell I gave it a positive twist? ;) )
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Rule on July 12, 2009, 12:59:02 AM
Hard to say.  It would depend on the porn, and the strip joint.  But I'd say roughly equal in most cases, except it would take more courage to go out to see a stripper.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Newby on July 12, 2009, 02:40:03 AM
Quote from: Rule on July 11, 2009, 02:25:07 AM
Hmm... this thread reminds me of when people actually had discussions about things.  Wonder if the forums are going the same way as vL?

Never! We will never die! Though, to be fair, vL is still alive. Barely. But alive. :P

To be frank and honest, though, I'm not even sure D3 or SC2 will bring back the glory and fun that was Battle.net and therein, x86. Perhaps we were doomed from the start to eventually decline into inactivity?

If we do branch into the Battle.net world again when SC2/D3 come out, we will attract new people (hopefully at a constant rate), and new people will bring activity. But until a good source of new people comes along, we're pretty much dependent on the current member base and that member base bringing people in/contributing positively to the board.

On-topic: I watched 20 minutes of porn a day? WTF?
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Hitmen on July 12, 2009, 02:43:55 AM
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To be frank and honest, though, I'm not even sure D3 or SC2 will bring back the glory and fun that was Battle.net and therein, x86. Perhaps we were doomed from the start to eventually decline into inactivity?
All you people who got real lives need to stop that shit and realize what REALLY matters is hanging out with cool people and playing video games. Assholes.

Quote from: Newby on July 12, 2009, 02:40:03 AM
On-topic: I watched 20 minutes of porn a day? WTF?
I agree, totally not enough
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: iago on July 12, 2009, 02:49:23 AM
Quote from: Hitmen on July 12, 2009, 02:43:55 AM
...hanging out with cool people...
Shhhh, we want people to STAY.
Title: Re: Pornography
Post by: Joe on July 24, 2009, 05:43:17 AM
Quote from: Ergot on December 23, 2006, 11:13:31 PM
Lol, I agree with Rule... kind of awkward to have one's first post about the size of his or her porn stash size.

The department of redundancy department called..