http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/us/2007/05/15/tuchman.scientology.circles.cnn
Since I can't watch the video completely, can anyone tell me what city that is near?...
North Eastern NM, k.
WEIRD
Is it near Roswell? That would explain a lot!
Omfg, I don't understand how people believe in Scientology. But I suppose they have their reasons...
Quote from: iago on May 16, 2007, 10:20:02 PM
Is it near Roswell? That would explain a lot!
Roswell is mid-east NM.
Maybe closer to Las Vegas?...I didn't catch where exactly
Long live Hubbard! He shall return!
Quote from: Sidoh on May 17, 2007, 12:57:05 AM
Long live Hubbard! He shall return!
Not if we can shoot him outta the sky first!!!
Quote from: AntiVirus on May 17, 2007, 12:35:13 AM
Omfg, I don't understand how people believe in Scientology. But I suppose they have their reasons...
There are two things about scientology I know, and two things about scientology I accept.
1. Refusal of medicine. The bible says that God will heal us, etc etc, so I can see this point. Yeah, every once in a while, God does perform miracles (at least, I believe that's what they are, but science refuses to admit it :P), but doctors and medical science are available and since they're part of God's creation, he's indirectly healing you with medicine.
2. Living on scientology compounds. Really, just getting away from the rest of the world. Think of a Monestary.
I said I can understand both, but I don't really support either. At least, I wouldn't personally wouldn't do them.
I wasn't aware that scientologists rejected medicine (and am still skeptical of believing it). I couldn't find it on the wikipedia article (though that's probably because I did a quick search for obvious words...).
Doctors may not believe in miracles as manifestations of some deity's powers, but I'm pretty certain that the world "miracle" has a context that doesn't imply divine intervention, in which case, I'm sure science would have to agree with. Also, the refuse to "admit it" because they believe your religion is a crock of crap. It really pisses me off when religions people say things that insinuate that people are "just wrong" because they don't accept their beliefs.
Well, in my eyes, they are wrong. Your opinion is as good as mine, but that's what mine is. I realize that I'm totally out of NPOV for saying it, but that's how I feel.
By the way, look up James Hetfield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hetfield) and see if you can find anything about his mother. She died from cancer after refusing treatment (she was part of CoC-S), inspiring the song 'The God Who Failed'.
EDIT -
His father, Virgil Hetfield (a truck driver) and mother, Cynthia (a light opera singer) were devout and strict adherents to Christian Science, and accordingly, much of his young life revolved around religion. In accordance with their beliefs, Hetfield's parents strongly disapproved of medicine or any medical help and remained vigilant in their faith even as his mother began to die of cancer. Her death, and his subsequently turbulent relationship with religion, are both recurring subjects which have been the focal point of some of Metallica's lyrics (the songs "Mama Said," and "The God That Failed," are about Hetfield's mother and father, and "Until It Sleeps" is about cancer, of which both of his parents died).
I'm really not interested in a lesson in the history of Metallica. :P
Seriously, though, that's like telling someone they're wrong for having the favorite color blue. It's vacuous.
Quote from: AntiVirus on May 17, 2007, 12:35:13 AM
Omfg, I don't understand how people believe in Scientology. But I suppose they have their reasons...
The same way people believe in Christianity, or any other religion.
Quote from: Furious on May 17, 2007, 06:30:20 AM
Quote from: AntiVirus on May 17, 2007, 12:35:13 AM
Omfg, I don't understand how people believe in Scientology. But I suppose they have their reasons...
The same way people believe in Christianity, or any other religion.
Damn right! Personally, I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_spaghetti_monster). I mean, it's no Scientology, but it might at least be on par with Christianity! <ducks>
Thanks, iago. I'm going to buy the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster soon.
Quote from: Furious on May 17, 2007, 06:30:20 AM
The same way people believe in Christianity, or any other religion.
You do realize that Scientology was invented by a science fiction author, yes?
Quote from: Sidoh on May 17, 2007, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 17, 2007, 06:30:20 AM
The same way people believe in Christianity, or any other religion.
You do realize that Scientology was invented by a science fiction author, yes?
...You do realize that the Bible could've been written by ancient science fiction authors, yes?
...except that historical records can prove the basic elements?
Prove the basic elements of the Bible?
...Like God creating the Earth in 7 days and Eve from Adam's rib?
Quote from: Sidoh on May 17, 2007, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 17, 2007, 06:30:20 AM
The same way people believe in Christianity, or any other religion.
You do realize that Scientology was invented by a science fiction author, yes?
So was the Flying Spagetti Monster! And Ktulu!
Quote from: CrAz3D on May 17, 2007, 02:25:44 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on May 17, 2007, 02:12:24 PM
Quote from: Furious on May 17, 2007, 06:30:20 AM
The same way people believe in Christianity, or any other religion.
You do realize that Scientology was invented by a science fiction author, yes?
...You do realize that the Bible could've been written by ancient science fiction authors, yes?
That'd be extremely difficult. Another thing that I realized was the line of Popes of the early church. Everyone knew that Peter was appointed by Jesus, and this has been passed down over and over, generation by generation, by the Roman Catholic Church. Nobody would waste their time trying to convince everyone in Rome to start a rumor of that and pass it down 2000 years.
But this isn't a "Is Jesus Real?!" debate.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster was made discovered by a physics major....
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And Ktulu!
Assuming you mean "Cthulhu", it was created by a horror author, not science fiction. The major difference is that Lovecraft knew he was making up Cthulhu.
Although that could probably be said for the people who invented Christianity 2000 years ago, too. Back then, Gods were typically used to control the population. :)
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Quote from: AntiVirus on May 17, 2007, 12:35:13 AM
Omfg, I don't understand how people believe in Scientology. But I suppose they have their reasons...
There are two things about scientology I know, and two things about scientology I accept.
1. Refusal of medicine. The bible says that God will heal us, etc etc, so I can see this point. Yeah, every once in a while, God does perform miracles (at least, I believe that's what they are, but science refuses to admit it :P), but doctors and medical science are available and since they're part of God's creation, he's indirectly healing you with medicine.
2. Living on scientology compounds. Really, just getting away from the rest of the world. Think of a Monestary.
I said I can understand both, but I don't really support either. At least, I wouldn't personally wouldn't do them.
I'm pretty sure that #1 is "Scientific Christains," not Scientologists. Scientologists don't use medacin for what ever reason, I think it's 'cause they feel that the mind is what effects the body, and yeah..