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Off topic/Crap => Trash Can => Topic started by: CrAz3D on April 20, 2009, 05:51:08 pm

Title: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: CrAz3D on April 20, 2009, 05:51:08 pm
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103275917

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but he acknowledged it's a "drop in the bucket" and said there's a "confidence gap" that he needs to overcome.
So why bother at all if you're not even going to put forth some real effort in cutting spending?
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 20, 2009, 06:00:40 pm
So you're against more efficient Government?
Or are you just dismantling the Republican porkbarrel red herring, seeing as it amounts to 3% of the Federal Budget?

Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 20, 2009, 06:11:50 pm
Just some additional info, since you seem to imply that Obama is half-assing curbing spending:

Obama halving the Federal Deficit
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/mar/25/barack-obama/obama-promises-cut-deficit-half-four-years/

Obama saving $40 billion a year
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=53627
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: truste1 on April 20, 2009, 08:10:43 pm
So you're against more efficient Government?
Or are you just dismantling the Republican porkbarrel red herring, seeing as it amounts to 3% of the Federal Budget?



It's not really a red herring as Obama's admitting it is nothing but a "drop in the bucket." He cut some spending, it's a good effort but not enough to severely impact things in the short-term (and he acknowledges that). Where is the distraction from the issue?
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 20, 2009, 08:13:42 pm
So you're against more efficient Government?
Or are you just dismantling the Republican porkbarrel red herring, seeing as it amounts to 3% of the Federal Budget?



It's not really a red herring as Obama's admitting it is nothing but a "drop in the bucket." He cut some spending, it's a good effort but not enough to severely impact things in the short-term (and he acknowledges that). Where is the distraction from the issue?

I'm talking about Republicans endlessly moaning about "Pork" in the Stimulus, but now downplaying Government budget cuts.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: truste1 on April 20, 2009, 08:33:25 pm
I'm all for govt budget cuts but I don't think stimulus pork and budget cuts necessarily go hand-in-hand. The goal should be to alleviate bill-level pork and also cut the budget.

@CrAz3D: NPR?
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 20, 2009, 08:39:29 pm
Cutting Pork (A republican suggestion) and cutting the budget (the President's suggestion) are both very very small savings in spending relative to the size of the Federal Budget, but Republicans only criticize one of the two approaches.

That's my point. Cutting both are good. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: truste1 on April 20, 2009, 08:59:54 pm
Cutting Pork (A republican suggestion) and cutting the budget (the President's suggestion) are both very very small savings in spending relative to the size of the Federal Budget, but Republicans only criticize one of the two approaches.

That's my point. Cutting both are good. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.

I don't think Republicans are criticizing the general idea of budget cuts. lol.

@CrAz3D: The best way to avoid complaints of bias is to use news sources with a liberal bias, obviously. NPR is a good choice.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 20, 2009, 09:05:55 pm
Cutting Pork (A republican suggestion) and cutting the budget (the President's suggestion) are both very very small savings in spending relative to the size of the Federal Budget, but Republicans only criticize one of the two approaches.

That's my point. Cutting both are good. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.

I don't think Republicans are criticizing the general idea of budget cuts. lol.

They downplay the efforts based on the argument that it's small compared to the size of the overall Budget, yet they cry endlessly about Pork barrel spending which..also is small in size compared to the overall Budget.


@CrAz3D: The best way to avoid complaints of bias is to use news sources with a liberal bias, obviously. NPR is a good choice.

Liberal bias is also known as reality.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: leet_muffin on April 20, 2009, 10:35:09 pm
@CrAz3D: The best way to avoid complaints of bias is to use news sources with a liberal bias, obviously. NPR is a good choice.

Liberal bias is also known as reality.

You seem to have gotten pretty good at pointing out hypocrisy lately... But apparently you don't have a complete grasp on the idea of what it is.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 20, 2009, 10:40:03 pm
@CrAz3D: The best way to avoid complaints of bias is to use news sources with a liberal bias, obviously. NPR is a good choice.

Liberal bias is also known as reality.

You seem to have gotten pretty good at pointing out hypocrisy lately... But apparently you don't have a complete grasp on the idea of what it is.

My point is that a great majority of what is posted from liberal blogs and sources is verifiable truth.

ThinkProgress, Crooks and Liars, DailyKos, all provide sources to back up their claims.

That, and NPR is hardly a liberal outlet.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: CrAz3D on April 21, 2009, 11:36:23 am
NPR is shown to lean left as is the Drudge Report (wtf?)
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Media-Bias-Is-Real-Finds-UCLA-6664.aspx
Liberal MSM bias
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/general_current_events/media/americans_see_liberal_media_bias_on_tv_news


However, in determining the neutrality of the actual report (not the commentators), it goes NPR, Fox CNN.
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When it comes to delivering news without bias, 37% believe NPR accomplishes that goal. Thirty-six percent (36%) say the same for Fox and 32% believe it’s true of CNN.
(from above article)
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: truste1 on April 21, 2009, 01:06:20 pm
Interestingly though, NPR has more Republican guests than Democratic.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 21, 2009, 05:13:05 pm
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1180

Your first source even says it's hardly a liberal outlet. Like I said.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: truste1 on April 28, 2009, 08:44:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

Visual representation of the budget cuts.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 28, 2009, 09:55:35 am
Cutting Pork (A republican suggestion) and cutting the budget (the President's suggestion) are both very very small savings in spending relative to the size of the Federal Budget, but Republicans only criticize one of the two approaches.

That's my point. Cutting both are good. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.

I don't think Republicans are criticizing the general idea of budget cuts. lol.

They downplay the efforts based on the argument that it's small compared to the size of the overall Budget, yet they cry endlessly about Pork barrel spending which..also is small in size compared to the overall Budget.


@CrAz3D: The best way to avoid complaints of bias is to use news sources with a liberal bias, obviously. NPR is a good choice.

Liberal bias is also known as reality.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: CrAz3D on April 28, 2009, 04:24:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt8hTayupE

Visual representation of the budget cuts.

holy crap.  $100m has never meant so little...
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 28, 2009, 04:43:00 pm
Cutting Pork (A republican suggestion) and cutting the budget (the President's suggestion) are both very very small savings in spending relative to the size of the Federal Budget, but Republicans only criticize one of the two approaches.

That's my point. Cutting both are good. I'm just pointing out hypocrisy.

I don't think Republicans are criticizing the general idea of budget cuts. lol.

They downplay the efforts based on the argument that it's small compared to the size of the overall Budget, yet they cry endlessly about Pork barrel spending which..also is small in size compared to the overall Budget.


@CrAz3D: The best way to avoid complaints of bias is to use news sources with a liberal bias, obviously. NPR is a good choice.

Liberal bias is also known as reality.

Quoting ahead of Craz3d's bs.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: CrAz3D on April 28, 2009, 05:06:05 pm

They downplay the efforts based on the argument that it's small compared to the size of the overall Budget, yet they cry endlessly about Pork barrel spending which..also is small in size compared to the overall Budget.


Pork can be lots of WASTEFUL (key term) spending though
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 28, 2009, 05:08:43 pm

They downplay the efforts based on the argument that it's small compared to the size of the overall Budget, yet they cry endlessly about Pork barrel spending which..also is small in size compared to the overall Budget.


Pork can be lots of WASTEFUL (key term) spending though

Uh no. It's still a miniscule part relative to the whole budget, which is the core of this ridiculous argument.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: CrAz3D on April 28, 2009, 05:52:24 pm
Agreed.  We could cut a lot more in addition to the pork barrel.  Like welfare.
Title: Re: Obama orders budget cut (1/35,000th)
Post by: Warrior on April 28, 2009, 06:28:12 pm
Agreed.  We could cut a lot more in addition to the pork barrel.  Like welfare.

Welfare is fine, considering the return we get in GDP. Keynes at his finest.