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Member Forums => iago's forum => Topic started by: Sidoh on December 14, 2010, 03:28:34 pm

Title: come home
Post by: Sidoh on December 14, 2010, 03:28:34 pm
you have some work to do.  analyze the gawker passwords, bitch!

I may download them and do a little analysis myself. ;P
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 14, 2010, 04:34:10 pm
you need to follow me on twitter! :P

6 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/iagox86/status/14793788371247104):
@iagox86 450,442/748,081 (60.2%) of Gawker hashes cracked so far. Thanks to everybody who's shared their results with us!


Also, I've been home since Dec 4. :)
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Sidoh on December 14, 2010, 04:58:32 pm
Cool. :)
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Newby on December 14, 2010, 09:09:43 pm
Haha. I saw this on the news and thought "I bet iago is up to something..."

Scary that I was right!
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 14, 2010, 11:02:26 pm
We have a much bigger password list from a much higher profile site (a financial one in fact) that we're sitting on. We don't want to be the first ones to break the story for fear of legal action, so we're cracking way and waiting for somebody else to slip up :)
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Blaze on December 15, 2010, 01:24:47 am
We have a much bigger password list from a much higher profile site (a financial one in fact) that we're sitting on. We don't want to be the first ones to break the story for fear of legal action, so we're cracking way and waiting for somebody else to slip up :)


So.. is this a Canadian site?  :)
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Joe on December 15, 2010, 01:31:22 am
You say "we". You and the other 11 iagi? Or is S.S. (I think I like that, The S.S.) no longer a one-man operation?
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 15, 2010, 09:00:52 am
We have a much bigger password list from a much higher profile site (a financial one in fact) that we're sitting on. We don't want to be the first ones to break the story for fear of legal action, so we're cracking way and waiting for somebody else to slip up :)


So.. is this a Canadian site?  :)

No, I'm not really sure what gave you that idea.. :P
Title: Re: come home
Post by: deadly7 on December 16, 2010, 01:36:41 am

No, I'm not really sure what gave you that idea.. :P

Why would you be afraid of legal action if you aren't a national of the US? I highly doubt Canada would extradite you like that, if push came to shove.

I mean, assuming you haven't gotten passwords to the NYSE admin accounts or something. If you did that I would bow.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Joe on December 16, 2010, 01:45:16 am
Cmon deadly, this is the guy who h4xx3d Facebook.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 16, 2010, 09:08:18 am
No, I'm not really sure what gave you that idea.. :P

Why would you be afraid of legal action if you aren't a national of the US? I highly doubt Canada would extradite you like that, if push came to shove.

I mean, assuming you haven't gotten passwords to the NYSE admin accounts or something. If you did that I would bow.
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: deadly7 on December 16, 2010, 11:41:36 am
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.
I was speaking from a purely legal standpoint, not a moral one. FWIW I agree with you that working with the company to secure their data is more ethical. And makes you more money.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 16, 2010, 12:29:55 pm
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.
I was speaking from a purely legal standpoint, not a moral one. FWIW I agree with you that working with the company to secure their data is more ethical. And makes you more money.
Even legally - if I cause significant financial damage to a company, which this potentially could (especially being the X-mas season), they're going to go after me no matter which country I'm in (provided it isn't an unfriendly one).
Title: Re: come home
Post by: rabbit on December 16, 2010, 01:49:57 pm
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.
I was speaking from a purely legal standpoint, not a moral one. FWIW I agree with you that working with the company to secure their data is more ethical. And makes you more money.
Even legally - if I cause significant financial damage to a company, which this potentially could (especially being the X-mas season), they're going to go after me no matter which country I'm in (provided it isn't an unfriendly one).

Quick!  Move to Iraq!
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 16, 2010, 02:17:02 pm
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.
I was speaking from a purely legal standpoint, not a moral one. FWIW I agree with you that working with the company to secure their data is more ethical. And makes you more money.
Even legally - if I cause significant financial damage to a company, which this potentially could (especially being the X-mas season), they're going to go after me no matter which country I'm in (provided it isn't an unfriendly one).

Quick!  Move to Iraq!
Isn't Iraq owned by the US now?
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Sidoh on December 16, 2010, 02:44:23 pm
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.
I was speaking from a purely legal standpoint, not a moral one. FWIW I agree with you that working with the company to secure their data is more ethical. And makes you more money.
Even legally - if I cause significant financial damage to a company, which this potentially could (especially being the X-mas season), they're going to go after me no matter which country I'm in (provided it isn't an unfriendly one).

Quick!  Move to Iraq!
Isn't Iraq owned by the US now?


Either way, it's not exactly friendly. :)

No, I'm not really sure what gave you that idea.. :P

Why would you be afraid of legal action if you aren't a national of the US? I highly doubt Canada would extradite you like that, if push came to shove.

I mean, assuming you haven't gotten passwords to the NYSE admin accounts or something. If you did that I would bow.
I don't care if it's Canadian, American, or European data - releasing it without the company's knowledge is wrong, both legally and ethically.

And for what it's worth, I've already talked to investigators about the situation. The company in question is taking this very seriously.


Release it anonymously!

I don't think it's unambiguously wrong from a moral standpoint.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 16, 2010, 03:55:10 pm
Release it anonymously!

I don't think it's unambiguously wrong from a moral standpoint.
I think it is. I have 5 million passwords belonging to ~15 million users. I'd be directly harming some proportion of those users. That makes it wrong in my mind.

Additionally, there is some malice at play - somebody stole these, and right now investigators are trying to find that person/people. If I release it with the name of the company in question, those people are going to be tipped off that others know what's going on and will likely be more difficult to find.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: Sidoh on December 16, 2010, 04:42:18 pm
My suggestions are in jest.

I still don't think it's absolutely wrong, though, even if it does hurt people.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: deadly7 on December 16, 2010, 04:46:28 pm
I still don't think it's absolutely wrong, though, even if it does hurt people.
If a company had amassed data on people illegally, they'd get away with it as long as possible. I agree with your statement that it's not absolutely wrong, just could end up doing lots of damage. I don't know what Gawker is, so I'm talking in general terms of releasing passwords.
Title: Re: come home
Post by: iago on December 16, 2010, 04:51:52 pm
I still don't think it's absolutely wrong, though, even if it does hurt people.
If a company had amassed data on people illegally, they'd get away with it as long as possible. I agree with your statement that it's not absolutely wrong, just could end up doing lots of damage. I don't know what Gawker is, so I'm talking in general terms of releasing passwords.
This isn't about Gawker - those passwords are out there and everybody has them. And they aren't doing *that much* damage - it isn't that important of a site, most people register with crap passwords to comment.

What we're talking about is a large financial site with 10x as many passwords breached. I have the passwords, but I don't want to name the site or anything until it hits the press on its own. It's being actively investigated. :)
Title: Re: come home
Post by: rabbit on December 16, 2010, 05:45:38 pm
Tell me the company, website, and number of passwords and I'll go tell Slashdot then everyone can know and then you can do your stuff :D