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Technical (Development, Security, etc.) => Unix / Linux Discussion => Topic started by: Newby on June 17, 2005, 01:03:25 pm
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BSD is the future.
http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
"You know what I found? Right in the kernel, in the heart of the operating system, I found a developer's comment that said, 'Does this belong here?' "Lok says. "What kind of confidence does that inspire? Right then I knew it was time to switch."
Very scary indeed.
That was a very interesting read.
OpenBSD for life!
I figure I'll give FreeBSD a second try sooner or later...
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OpenBSD has worked well for me for the last few weeks now.
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I can't say I'd switch due to a single comment. Linux is a comfortable working enviroment for me, when I'm in it (cave and Pie). If you still want to switch, I can't stop you, but I wouldn't be so extreme as to do it over a single developers comment.
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I can't say I'd switch due to a single comment. Linux is a comfortable working enviroment for me, when I'm in it (cave and Pie). If you still want to switch, I can't stop you, but I wouldn't be so extreme as to do it over a single developers comment.
Newby's already done a lot of stuff with BSD.
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Again, switching is his choice. Also, I don't know if you guys knoticed this or not, but that article was written by a BSD developer. Of course hes going to say Linux is garbage. He wants the users to convert to his software. Anyhow, he doesn't have my vote.
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Again, switching is his choice. Also, I don't know if you guys knoticed this or not, but that article was written by a BSD developer. Of course hes going to say Linux is garbage. He wants the users to convert to his software. Anyhow, he doesn't have my vote.
That doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Thats funny, not scary...
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They're both good. I like to see developers questioning decisions, shows that they're thinking.
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Whoo? Someone isn't allowed to have questions in unsure areas about an Operating system when it is indeed part of an open source project and maybe was left to those who know more in that area instead of making stupid assumptions?
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Theo has been discredited before. I used to follow his drawn out debates with the PAX team. He was pretty flustered about grsecurity rolling out a solution to linux's executable stack vulnerabilities.
Claim: OpenBSD cannot protect against attacks using mprotect because it would violate POSIX, and OpenBSD does not violate POSIX.
> > We don't break anything that standards defacto standards require. (Theo de Raadt)
> You do break POSIX as pointed out above. (PaX Team)
> > False. Now go away. (Theo de Raadt)
Anyways, some more of the argument is archived here:
http://www.grsecurity.net/PaX-presentation_files/frame.htm (This link displays better in .pdf format)
On the other hand, if you've looked at any benchmarking comparing OS scalability in a number of categories (http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/), you'd see that OBSD did quite poorly (finished last out of all of the operating systems, actually), where Linux 2.6 finished FIRST out of all of the operating systems. OBSD of course had an argument for this:
I was asked by a few OpenBSD people why I'm even comparing them here, since "everyone knows" they don't scale well and their goal is security and not scalability.
Well... elements of that argument can be applied inversely for Linux in this situation. Linux has different goals than OBSD. If Linux users shouldn't be hounding OBSD developers about their lacking scalability, why do Linux developers catch heat for their rapid development cycle ? Also, If Linux code is so shotty, how is it that the benchmark results for scalability performance for it are significantly better than OBSD (OBSD developers don't deny the results of the benchmark) ? Linux out-performed OBSD in every category. Security is not the only requisite for quality software.
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I always enjoy reading your posts, tmp. Thanks.
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Note to those who think I'm going to completely switch from Linux to *BSD: I'm not. I wouldn't give FreeBSD a second try as I really didn't like the way it was put together.
Slackware/OpenBSD for life.