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Title: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 15, 2005, 09:28:46 pm
As of Friday, gasoline here is up to $1.04/liter.  That's $4.16/gallon.  That's pretty brutal :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 15, 2005, 09:32:24 pm
it's at about $2.30 on the East Coast, $3.30ish on the West Coast, and they're expecting about $4 by next summer.

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: deadly7 on August 15, 2005, 10:17:47 pm
It's 2.70 here in MN, that bites ass. by the time I'm driving (+3 years) gas will be like 5 bucks a gallon!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on August 15, 2005, 10:38:46 pm
http://www.sanjosegasprices.com/

Ron you're paying as much as people in China. Poor you. And you better be talking about US$

Edit: Useful tool... http://www.sanjosegasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx
Edit2: Trust, don't make up bullshit :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 15, 2005, 10:53:57 pm
I got those figures off the news. OK, so I used the highest one they mentioned. Shut up.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: RoMi on August 15, 2005, 10:58:57 pm
You would think Canada's prices would be cheaper, since thats one of the major places the US buys its oil from.  The taxes are to blame I'm sure.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on August 15, 2005, 11:38:47 pm
Northern Ireland's gas was £3.20/litre in 2003 (like..$8.00/gal).  Sucks to be them.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Blaze on August 16, 2005, 02:36:19 am
Lots of gas stations here only go up to 99.9 so I'm like  8)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on August 16, 2005, 03:47:22 am
To they wrap back around to 00.0?

Homer - "Free gas, woo hoo!"
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 16, 2005, 09:13:13 am
To they wrap back around to 00.0?

Homer - "Free gas, woo hoo!"

I wish!

And yeah, it's $4.16 Canadian, which would be about $3.60 - $3.80 American. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Blaze on August 16, 2005, 12:21:13 pm
To they wrap back around to 00.0?

Homer - "Free gas, woo hoo!"
How big was that rv's gas tank? :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 16, 2005, 07:27:55 pm
It's sad, really, considering I remember when gas was 95 cents.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 16, 2005, 08:07:13 pm
Me too.  Per liter.  :P

I've seen it as low as $0.50/liter ($2/gallon), that's the cheapest I've seen it in my entire life
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: RoMi on August 16, 2005, 08:17:49 pm
It was under a dollar a gallon a few years ago.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on August 16, 2005, 08:18:23 pm
It's sad, really, considering I remember when gas was 95 cents.

88 cents Bakersfield, CA. Good times.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: GameSnake on August 16, 2005, 10:18:15 pm
$6.00/1.00 litre in The Netherlands.

Then again half of us get around by bike :P.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on August 17, 2005, 12:22:08 am
Why is it per 1.04 litre ? You guys make life complex :(.But your bikes get stolen don't they :S?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: GameSnake on August 17, 2005, 12:34:10 am
Sometimes. It happens.

We use the metric system but I know USA standards too, the rest of world knows metric, ok?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on August 17, 2005, 01:13:08 am
Yea, I know that.. I also know that the rest of the world pays per litre and not per 1.04 litre.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: GameSnake on August 17, 2005, 01:34:02 am
1.00* litre. Typo overlooked.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 17, 2005, 09:08:16 am
$6.00/1.00 litre in The Netherlands.

Then again half of us get around by bike :P.

Haha, $24/gallon.. nice

A lot of people here use bikes, too.  50% of people at my work do (3!)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: GameSnake on August 17, 2005, 01:13:55 pm
You have also understand we don't get as much imports from major oil suppliers as USA and Canada and England does, also keep in mind our economy is the worst it has been since the 1950's. I can remember all my life gas prices being high, even though the economy was ok. Also it is not 24$ a gallon it is roughly 16-18$ (USD).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 17, 2005, 05:11:02 pm
How can it be $6/liter and not $24/gallon?  1 liter = 3.8 US Gallons, so 6 liter = 22.9 gallons :/
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on August 17, 2005, 05:40:25 pm
Most people in the city use bikes, but out near me (farmland South Jersey) you have to use a car to get anywhere...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: GameSnake on August 17, 2005, 09:22:20 pm
How can it be $6/liter and not $24/gallon?  1 liter = 3.8 US Gallons, so 6 liter = 22.9 gallons :/
I just had some trouble with my US standard/metric and euro-to-dollar math, adding it again I assume 14-16$ is the average price per "gallon" here. Or 4$ a liter, or 4.23 euro a liter.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: wires on August 18, 2005, 04:20:37 pm
$2.49+ here.  Rises almost everyday. :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 18, 2005, 04:29:59 pm
$2.55 is pretty much the cheapest here.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: sujak on August 20, 2005, 12:53:08 am
$2.79 today, yea it was like 95¢ couple years ago........id say in 2001-2002? maybe..... it was like $1.30-1.50 beginning of summer but went up becuase the oil people want more money, there arent many refinerys and that president in Sudia Arubia ( i think thats the place ) died. Good thing i get 30-40 miles per gallon with my car
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Blaze on August 20, 2005, 10:21:46 am
Its now 95.6, which is much better then 102.9 or 99.9 (The gas stations with only 3 digit signs)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on August 20, 2005, 11:33:50 pm
I've seen $0.67 a gallon when I lived in Wyoming, when my local gas stations were in a price war, it was leet.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 26, 2005, 10:33:24 pm
It is $1.17 hier in Neu Schottland, so don't complain.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on August 27, 2005, 01:15:21 am
Who are you?  Also, Neu Schottland?  And what denomination?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 27, 2005, 12:00:47 pm
Who are you?  Also, Neu Schottland?  And what denomination?
What the fuck? Wer bist du? Kannst du das antwortest, in any other weg besides 'rabbit'?
Neu Schottland, $1.17CAD/l
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 27, 2005, 12:18:48 pm
Who are you?  Also, Neu Schottland?  And what denomination?

Neu Schottland is New Scotland, which is Englsh for Nova Scotia.  It's a Canadian province. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 27, 2005, 12:53:03 pm
What's $1.17 in USD?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 27, 2005, 03:05:51 pm
What's $1.17 in USD?

http://www.google.ca/search?.17+canadian+dollars+to+dollars
1.17 Canadian dollars = 0.98360613 U.S. dollars
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 27, 2005, 03:13:11 pm
Then why did he say "so don't complain" if it's that cheap? We're complaining about it being high!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 27, 2005, 03:29:18 pm
In Canada, we measure by liters.  So multiply that by 4, it's about $4/gallon.  It's a little more than it is here, it's about $3.90/gallon now
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 27, 2005, 03:31:02 pm
I just drank 1/2 a liter of soda!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 27, 2005, 03:53:06 pm
Then why did he say "so don't complain" if it's that cheap? We're complaining about it being high!
Warum hast du iago gefragt? Ich habe es gesagt. Fuck.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on August 27, 2005, 04:08:39 pm
Weil sie häszlich sind.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 27, 2005, 04:22:40 pm
Somebody please translate what Eibro just said! :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 27, 2005, 04:54:48 pm
Then why did he say "so don't complain" if it's that cheap? We're complaining about it being high!
Warum hast du iago gefragt? Ich habe es gesagt. Fuck.

Where has iago gone? He is so great.  Fuck. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 27, 2005, 04:58:11 pm
What's he speaking? Canadian?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 27, 2005, 05:04:27 pm
German, I think?

By the way, I made up that translation :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Vex3 on August 27, 2005, 07:09:22 pm
I can translate that...

Warum hast du iago gefragt? Ich habe es gesagt. Fuck.
Why did you ask iago? I said it. Fuck.

Rabbit said:
because they are *   *.

Don't know that häszlich.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 27, 2005, 09:00:12 pm
I asked iago because he's Canadian and knows the conversion, plus he speaks in English.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 28, 2005, 03:56:29 am
Somebody please translate what Eibro just said! :(
Wer?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Quik on August 28, 2005, 04:07:22 am
Somebody please translate what Eibro just said! :(
Wer?

Who?
http://www.x86labs.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=160
http://www.x86labs.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=92

Hallo Eibro.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 28, 2005, 02:23:45 pm
Somebody please translate what Eibro just said! :(
Wer?

Who?
http://www.x86labs.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=160
http://www.x86labs.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=92

Hallo Eibro.
Oh, I now see why you call yourself Quik. You are a clever son of a bitch. Fuck. I spiked the chowder with pcp.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on August 28, 2005, 05:23:57 pm
I can translate that...

Warum hast du iago gefragt? Ich habe es gesagt. Fuck.
Why did you ask iago? I said it. Fuck.

Rabbit said:
because they are *   *.

Don't know that häszlich.
sz ligature, I forgot char code and didn't feel like running char map.  "ugly"
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Super_X on August 29, 2005, 01:28:11 am
Who the hell is the one speakin' the deutsch? Is he just a new member to the community, or is he a really super cool elite person I don't know? (Just like iago, but I at least know of iago.)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 29, 2005, 01:34:50 am
Who the hell is the one speakin' the deutsch? Is he just a new member to the community, or is he a really super cool elite person I don't know? (Just like iago, but I at least know of iago.)

EIIIIBBBRRRROOOO
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Newby on August 29, 2005, 08:49:21 am
Who the hell is the one speakin' the deutsch? Is he just a new member to the community, or is he a really super cool elite person I don't know? (Just like iago, but I at least know of iago.)

He's both!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on August 30, 2005, 07:29:49 pm
Ich komme zur schule mit dem Auto.  So gas sucks for me. :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on August 30, 2005, 09:47:27 pm
$1.089/liter now, and expected to go up by the weekend :(
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 30, 2005, 10:20:18 pm
Ich komme zur schule mit dem Auto.  So gas sucks for me. :(
What, did you copy and paste that into an online translator just so you could be part of the fucking discussion? Wow, you are cool.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Quik on August 30, 2005, 10:52:04 pm
Ich komme zur schule mit dem Auto. So gas sucks for me. :(
What, did you copy and paste that into an online translator just so you could be part of the fucking discussion? Wow, you are cool.
Was, kopierten Sie und klebten das in einen on-line-Übersetzer gerade, also konnten Sie ein Teil der fucking Diskussion sein? Wimmern, sind Sie kühl.

Err... shit.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on August 30, 2005, 11:26:51 pm
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What, did you copy and paste that into an online translator just so you could be part of the fucking discussion? Wow, you are cool.
ROFL!! No, not even close.  I am actually in a German class in High school.  That is just the basics, seeing that that is all I know.  Lets try to do a little more research before we just go around and assume things, and take it as the obvious truth.  Aka, Don't be a Jackass, and just ask a simple (nice) question to find out more.  I hope that isn't too hard.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Super_X on August 31, 2005, 02:27:37 am
Haha, Kicked that kraut's shitter.

(Oh, sorry for the "picking on the german" in your forum, iago; He's just a jerk.)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on August 31, 2005, 03:28:24 am
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What, did you copy and paste that into an online translator just so you could be part of the fucking discussion? Wow, you are cool.
ROFL!! No, not even close.  I am actually in a German class in High school.  That is just the basics, seeing that that is all I know.  Lets try to do a little more research before we just go around and assume things, and take it as the obvious truth.  Aka, Don't be a Jackass, and just ask a simple (nice) question to find out more.  I hope that isn't too hard.
Oh shit. Oh fuck. You sure schooled me. I had better watch out for the highschool educated German professor.

While we're at it: TIME MANNER PLACE
What the fuck were you trying to say anyway?
Ich fahre das Auto zur Schule?
See that? Was that hard? Since there is no time element to the sentence, MANNER comes first (with the car) and PLACE comes last (to school).
Why would you fucking use kommen anyway? You come to school with the car? Would you say that in english? I certainly fucking wouldn't.

Since when was Schule a masc/neuter noun? Since when don't you capitalize nouns in German? WHEN? IT MUST HAVE BEEN VERY FUCJING  RECDINTLY BEFAUSET I SUFRE AS FUSFCK DIDNTT EKWRNOW ABOITUST IT
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on August 31, 2005, 04:55:49 pm
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Since when was Schule a masc/neuter noun? Since when don't you capitalize nouns in German? WHEN? IT MUST HAVE BEEN VERY FUCJING  RECDINTLY BEFAUSET I SUFRE AS FUSFCK DIDNTT EKWRNOW ABOITUST IT
You ALWAYS capitalize nouns in Germany. I suppose I had a typo, seeing that I already knew that.

I never claimed to be a "German Professor", I said I am in a german class, thus I didn't have to use a translator (for the easy stuff).

I used "Kommen" because that means to come, and I am coming to school with an automobile.
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Ich komme zur schule mit dem Auto.
Ich - I
Komme = To come
Zur Schule = To school
Mit Dem Auto = With an automobile

If you put it all together: "I come to school with a car" it makes perfect since.
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You come to school with the car? Would you say that in english? I certainly fucking wouldn't.
You don't write in German the same way as you write in English.  And if I were to say that in first person, It would be "I come to school with a car" which makes perfect since.

I don't know anything about this "Time Manner Place" deal, but I will just take your word for it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Super_X on August 31, 2005, 05:50:48 pm
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Ich fahre das Auto zur Schule?

Doesn't fahren mean "to ride"? So you ride cars?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on August 31, 2005, 06:19:44 pm
Lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I too ride cars.  They are amazing!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on August 31, 2005, 06:44:50 pm
I ride your mom.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on August 31, 2005, 07:11:19 pm
Ich fahre your mom. :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Hauptmann Raub on September 01, 2005, 02:06:08 am
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Ich fahre das Auto zur Schule?

Doesn't fahren mean "to ride"? So you ride cars?
Sure, but it also means to drive.
http://dict.leo.org/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&relink=on&sectHdr=on&spellToler=std&search=fahren
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Super_X on September 03, 2005, 12:10:20 am
Oh, Okay. :) I didn't quite remember, since I last had German. (I am in german 3/4 this year, and I was in Germany for part of the summer.)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 03, 2005, 01:20:12 am
Nice Super_X, what part of Germany?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on September 03, 2005, 01:56:57 am
Omg. 3.05/gal at Cheveron... 3.09 at Rotten Robbie ? WTF !?!? IMPOSSIBLE!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 03, 2005, 02:25:55 am
$3.39 here :\
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 03, 2005, 04:14:18 pm
3.20$ yesterday where I live.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on September 03, 2005, 04:52:18 pm
$3.89 / Gallon here.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on September 03, 2005, 06:16:11 pm
Wow for once the Bay Area isn't the highest... surprising!

See graph: http://www.sanjosegasprices.com/images/charts/xchart69.png?ii=22807
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 03, 2005, 07:34:32 pm
Holy shit!  The highest price in Philly is $3.79!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 03, 2005, 07:59:30 pm
Isn't it 5 something in Atlanta?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on September 03, 2005, 08:17:00 pm
Stupid graph :( I should have saved it somewhere... I'll do it later... it's really cool though.

(http://www.javaop.com/~ergot/xchart43.png)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Quik on September 03, 2005, 11:04:31 pm
Wow for once the Bay Area isn't the highest... surprising!

See graph: http://www.sanjosegasprices.com/images/charts/xchart69.png?ii=22807

Yeah God damn we suck.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 04, 2005, 07:05:49 pm
Gas prices are crazy!!

How many of you guys drive trucks/suv's?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Super_X on September 09, 2005, 07:08:18 pm
Nice Super_X, what part of Germany?
Sorry it took me so long to reply!! I was just outside of Hamburg, but I travled to Berlin the last week.

@ Topic: Gas is $0.30 more expensive by the freeway! Also, I drive an old Chevy S-10, it's decent gas wise.. 19/city, 23/highway.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Quik on September 09, 2005, 07:18:51 pm
Gas prices are crazy!!

How many of you guys drive trucks/suv's?

Sometimes I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee, but I really dislike filling it up. ;)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: deadly7 on September 10, 2005, 12:06:15 am
My family all drive Toyotas. 30mpg.. :P
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: RoMi on September 10, 2005, 09:26:14 am
We have one Honda, one Toyota, and one Mazda.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 10, 2005, 10:48:41 am
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My family all drive Toyotas.
Same here.  We also all have black cars.  My mom had to spend 88$ to fill up her truck the other day, and that is rediculous(sp?).
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on September 10, 2005, 02:18:22 pm
Wow, we have 2 Chrysler Minivans... about 20 mpg each. $50 to fill.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Towelie on September 11, 2005, 01:46:59 am
I want my first car to be a hybrid!.... I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Newby on September 11, 2005, 02:39:18 am
I want my first car to be a hybrid!.... I highly doubt it.

Yes. Chicks will love it?

"Can you go faster please?" "BITCH I'M FLOORING IT."
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on September 11, 2005, 03:48:36 am
Get a motocycle ;D
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Joe on September 11, 2005, 04:01:27 am
Sie saugen alle für Habenautos und, für Gasgeld brauchend zu bezahlen. Dandy, Busse für Leben!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 11, 2005, 07:54:37 pm
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Sie saugen alle für Habenautos und, für Gasgeld brauchend zu bezahlen. Dandy, Busse für Leben!
Don't start with German again!!!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 11, 2005, 09:42:58 pm
I want my first car to be a hybrid!.... I highly doubt it.

Yes. Chicks will love it?

"Can you go faster please?" "BITCH I'M FLOORING IT."

That's a serious problem with people right now.  For some reason, they want to be able to accelerate very fast, and save the extra 2 or 3 seconds at the cost of the environment.  Are the extra seconds really so important that you would spend a ton of money on gas if electric cars were a reasonable price?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 12, 2005, 04:35:34 pm
Ron, where I live you have to beable to accelerate fast, or you will get hit.  Down here in Kansas City, Missouri if you don't get going fast enough up an on ramp you will most likely get ran off to the side, or get hit..  Our on ramps are extremely small, and poorly built.

So yes, the extra seconds are really important to some of us. :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 12, 2005, 04:42:33 pm
@iago: Yes.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 12, 2005, 04:50:19 pm
In Winnipeg, people accelerate slow as hell, and it's a real pain. 

But I think that people need to get their priorities straight.  Everybody is so busy complaining about how much gas is costing, yet they're still driving everywhere.  I personally bike almost everywhere, and take the bus when I have to.  Alternative technologies to power cars exist, but they don't accelerate as fast! Oh no!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 12, 2005, 04:53:12 pm
They're also pretty expensive.

People in America understand time is money. :P I shouldn't complain, here we have our fast and slow people, but generally it's a pretty comfortable pace - the south is much more relaxed. But when I was in NJ and NY, DAMN, you would be pwned++.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 12, 2005, 05:20:53 pm
They're also pretty expensive.

Are the extra seconds really so important that you would spend a ton of money on gas if electric cars were a reasonable price?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on September 12, 2005, 05:42:32 pm
In Calculus today (this isn't a Calculus problem, it was just a trailoff), we were talking about gas prices.

Americans have been getting massive discounts on gas due to government reductions.  The government pays oil companies so much per galon of gas (or barrel of oil, I suppose), which causes dramatic reductions in prices of gas in the US.  The actual price of gas right now is about $4.00/gallon, so we're still seeing a somewhat significant discount compared to the rest of the world.

Buying a Hybrid right now will pay for itself in about 10.5 years, which is still somewhat of a letdown.  However, that's assuming you drive 15,000 miles a year.  If you drive more, the time will decrease.

A new hybrid (on average):  $45,000
A new small truck (Ford Ranger, Tyota Tacoma -- the most common cars on the road): $25,000

Difference: $15,000

Average price of gas in the US:  $3.25/gallon
Average miles drove: 15,000 Miles

Average gas mileage of a hybrid:  62 Miles/Gallon
Average gas mileage of a small truck:  22 Miles/Gallon

15 000 / (((15 000 / 22) * 3.25) - ((15 000 / 62) * 3.25)) = 10.4923077 Years (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%2815000+%2F+%28%28%2815000+%2F+22%29+*+3.25%29+-+%28%2815000+%2F+62%29+*+3.25%29%29%29)

So yeah.  Hybrids are nice, but until they come down in price, they're still not too much worth it.  This is (obviously) an very averaged figure, so they could pay for themselves much sooner if the figures were different.  These are fairly accurate average numbers, though.

I think it's atually a good thing that the gas prices are going up like this.  It's the really the only logical thing that is going to give us a kick in the ass to develop a reasonable alternative fuel source.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 12, 2005, 05:55:20 pm
I think it's atually a good thing that the gas prices are going up like this.  It's the really the only logical thing that is going to give us a kick in the ass to develop a reasonable alternative fuel source.

I agree!

:)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 12, 2005, 05:56:39 pm
They're also pretty expensive.

Are the extra seconds really so important that you would spend a ton of money on gas if electric cars were a reasonable price?

I wasn't replying to your scenario.

However, I was replying to:
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Alternative technologies to power cars exist, but they don't accelerate as fast! Oh no!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 12, 2005, 09:14:38 pm
I think it's atually a good thing that the gas prices are going up like this.  It's the really the only logical thing that is going to give us a kick in the ass to develop a reasonable alternative fuel source.
http://www.greasecar.com/

Pizz-owned, well, if your vehicle runs on diesel...
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on September 12, 2005, 09:23:48 pm
That and it's still not exactly efficient.  I think we need to steer clear of the internal combustion engine, if oyu ask me.

I've seen similar solutions with E80.  They seem like a nice idea, as they are an alternative fuel source, but they're still horribly ineficient.  The internal combustion engine is less than 1% efficient.  That's sad...

Also... I forgot to mention in my previous long-winded post:

Another thing to consider with Hybrid cars is that they're a foreign car (to us, anyway).  This means parts are generally much more expensive.  When you bring one in for repairs, the bill is probably going to be a lot higher than it would be for an average American-made car.  Not that this is a fair argument, but it is still a valid point.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 12, 2005, 09:28:15 pm
Two of my friends' families have space cars (the crazy electric hybrids that turn off and on when stopping/moving and charge when stopping).  They are awesome ^^
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Ergot on September 12, 2005, 09:34:15 pm
That and it's still not exactly efficient.  I think we need to steer clear of the internal combustion engine, if oyu ask me.

I've seen similar solutions with E80.  They seem like a nice idea, as they are an alternative fuel source, but they're still horribly ineficient.  The internal combustion engine is less than 1% efficient.  That's sad...

Also... I forgot to mention in my previous long-winded post:

Another thing to consider with Hybrid cars is that they're a foreign car (to us, anyway).  This means parts are generally much more expensive.  When you bring one in for repairs, the bill is probably going to be a lot higher than it would be for an average American-made car.  Not that this is a fair argument, but it is still a valid point.
Solar power !! A solar powered sailcar ;o?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on September 12, 2005, 09:56:12 pm
Two of my friends' families have space cars (the crazy electric hybrids that turn off and on when stopping/moving and charge when stopping).  They are awesome ^^
This was the Hybrid discussed in my previous message.  The standard ideal behind the Hybrids that exist today follow this model.

And Ergot:  That has been analyzed before.  Solar panels simply do not supply enough energy for a car to go 60mph for hours on end.

At NYLF Tech, we were assigned some project in which we were required to design 'the car of the future.'  We ended up making a car using cell-batteries (so it would charge extremely fast) with solar panels on top which gave you a few extra miles of driving time every hour that it absorbed direct sunlight.  Our fueling stations were Hydrogen-fuel cells.  It was actually a pretty good idea, but it would require too much change.  Converting every fueling station in the world over to Hydrogen-produced electricity would take far to much effort than it is worth at this point.  The winner in our category designed a car that was powered off of E80.  It was one of the suggestions in the pamphlet for our category... it was lame as hell.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 13, 2005, 07:57:03 pm
On a side note, the lowest gas price I saw when I was driving around today was $2.96 :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 13, 2005, 08:00:14 pm
Lowest in my area is $2.79, according to the news.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 13, 2005, 08:05:09 pm
Yeah but we get full-service up here ^^
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 13, 2005, 08:06:09 pm
Yeah but we get full-service up here ^^

Is it illegal to self-pump in your state? I forget where you live, but I know in NJ it's illegal to pump your own gas. I didn't like that, because one time we were in a hurry and we had this slow ass Muslim guy who took FOREVER. He walked like 3 feet/hr.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 13, 2005, 08:13:55 pm
(Yes, NJ) Yeah but whatever.  I'd rather be a bit late for something then get out in non 65-72°F, sunny weather to pump my damn gas when I can have some guy do it for me.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on September 13, 2005, 09:09:37 pm
On a side note, the lowest gas price I saw when I was driving around today was $2.96 :)

That's pretty good.  The lowest I've seen in a while is ~$3.20 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 13, 2005, 09:10:47 pm
Bah!

The lowest I've seen lately is $1.16/liter, which is $4.64/gallon
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Sidoh on September 13, 2005, 09:32:36 pm
See my above comment on government compensation for gas prices in US.  :)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: RoMi on September 14, 2005, 06:14:24 am
For a week we we're up at 3.45, now we're down to 2.99 a gallon.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 14, 2005, 02:33:06 pm
Canada gets free health care and doesn't pay for war or the side effects of terrorist attacks.

Stop complaining. (Not that I'd ever want government sponsored health care, mind you.)
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 14, 2005, 02:53:51 pm
Canada gets free health care and doesn't pay for war or the side effects of terrorist attacks.

Stop complaining. (Not that I'd ever want government sponsored health care, mind you.)

We do pay for side effects of terrorist attacks.  Anything that affects the US tends to affect us more. 

Government sponsored healthcare is great for the average person, since it saves us a lot of money in the long run (even though it takes longer).  But if you're rich, or have a rich family, or a good job where they give you a health plan, then you're better off with the American system. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 14, 2005, 03:27:32 pm
I disagree, with government sponsored health care you can only go to ones where the government says you can (meaning, most likely, the cheapest) and it could be detrimental. I'm all for privitization of health care (and other things.)

Is Katrina affecting you guys?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 14, 2005, 03:45:34 pm
I disagree, with government sponsored health care you can only go to ones where the government says you can (meaning, most likely, the cheapest) and it could be detrimental. I'm all for privitization of health care (and other things.)

Is Katrina affecting you guys?

Because all healthcare here is government-provided, it means that there aren't any non-government facilities. 

Yes, Katrina is affecting us..  Why do you think we're paying nearly $5/gallon for gas? 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 14, 2005, 04:05:30 pm
Because you get free health care.

Why isn't there an option for a privatized health care firm?
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Post by: RoMi on September 14, 2005, 04:09:10 pm
The price of oil is an international price http://www.bloomberg.com/energy/  The prices differ due to taxes and such.  The oil isn't what we need though its actual gas.  There is an abundance of oil comming out of the ground, but a refinery hasn't been made in the US since 1975.
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Why isn't there an option for a privatized health care firm?
Becasue its like communism, everyone is equally unhappy, but atleast they are equal!
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 14, 2005, 04:22:12 pm
Because you get free health care.

Why isn't there an option for a privatized health care firm?

Because then people who couldn't afford good healthcare would get, as you said, the cheapest one. 

Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: trust on September 14, 2005, 04:40:25 pm
Because you get free health care.

Why isn't there an option for a privatized health care firm?

Because then people who couldn't afford good healthcare would get, as you said, the cheapest one. 



So? They're already getting that now, at least with an optional government health care program, some people would go with the privatized one and in turn get better service, and potentially save the government money?
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: rabbit on September 14, 2005, 05:02:58 pm
HAH!  $2.95 today ^^

The government would also save money by not giving anyone health care.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: iago on September 14, 2005, 05:22:50 pm
So? They're already getting that now, at least with an optional government health care program, some people would go with the privatized one and in turn get better service, and potentially save the government money?

No, right now we're getting mid-level healthcare.  The waits are sometimes long, but the quality is good.  If it was privitized, the government would be using the lowest-bidder. 
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: Blaze on September 14, 2005, 05:25:37 pm
I'm happy with my healthcare, but Canada need more doctors.
Title: Re: Gas Prices
Post by: AntiVirus on September 14, 2005, 10:42:33 pm
2.65$PER/GAL Thank god!! It's dropping. :D

Gas --> Health Care... Nice!!