Clan x86
General Forums => Gaming => Blizzard, WoW and Bots => Topic started by: Sidoh on February 26, 2006, 11:21:22 pm
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Hehe, I'm surprised no one has made one of these yet, now that I think about it! :)
If you post a character, post a screenshot, as well as a link to a profile system like Allakhazam or Thottbot.
Here's mine; I'm sure most of you have seen it from the "lewwwwwwwwwt" thread (I'll post a profile later):
(http://www.sidoh.org/~sidoh/sabe5.png)
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Ok, here is my character:
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4300/towelie25ci.png)
(smaller jpg: http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/433/towelie3eb.jpg )
I am makeing a profile right now so I iwll get back to that later
Profile!!!- http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?954333 (http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?954333)
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My server is down, I'll post my picture after.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?410386
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I don't have a picture, but you can all look at my gear and wish you had it: http://marcusfamily.info/~ryan/MyHunter'sEQ.txt (http://marcusfamily.info/~ryan/MyHunter'sEQ.txt)
(And yes, my guild was newby enough to let me make the Thunderfury and not our tank, and yes, I know there are better weapons for my class, and yes, it looks sweet.)
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I don't have a picture, but you can all look at my gear and wish you had it: http://marcusfamily.info/~ryan/MyHunter'sEQ.txt (http://marcusfamily.info/~ryan/MyHunter'sEQ.txt)
(And yes, my guild was newby enough to let me make the Thunderfury and not our tank, and yes, I know there are better weapons for my class, and yes, it looks sweet.)
THEY GAVE THUNDERFURY TO A HUNTER? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
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new pic: http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7136/towelie32xb.png
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http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/ > PhotoBucket
Also, why are you playing a Gnome female? >_<
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Also, why are you playing a Gnome female? >_<
[russian accent] When I go get printer fixed, little girl made me hard [/russian accent]
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[russian accent] When I go get printer fixed, little girl made me hard [/russian accent]
HAHAHAHAAHAHHA!!!
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http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/ > PhotoBucket
Also, why are you playing a Gnome female? >_<
ok, let me run you through my thought process at that point in time.
First off, I picked gnome for obvious reasons (their racial traits highly outweigh that of anything else a warlock can be)
Second, who wants to be staring at a guys ass all day? Not me.
Third, who gives a fuck if your character is a guy or a girl, I am NOT on a PvPRP or RP server.
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ok, let me run you through my thought process at that point in time.
First off, I picked gnome for obvious reasons (their racial traits highly outweigh that of anything else a warlock can be)
Second, who wants to be staring at a guys ass all day? Not me.
Third, who gives a fuck if your character is a guy or a girl, I am NOT on a PvPRP or RP server.
Health and mana are pretty much interchangable with a Warlock. I have a Gnome Warlock too, though, so I won't argue this point. I definitely see your logic (though escape artist SUCKS hardcore compared to perception. IMO, perception is the best racial ability next to WotF for PvP).
To address your second point, I must say that I completely agree. That's why both of my main-ish characters are female. My Warlock is a male, but I haven't played it for months for more than ten minutes. As you probably know from my endless ranting, I have a Human female Rogue and a Human female Priest (49 and 60, respectively).
Second, I hate playing a female character almost as much as I do staring at an animated manass for hours on end. It's annoying when you get guys hitting on you. I usually tell them to just fuck off, but if you've grown to like them or respect their abilities, it's hard to be stern or put it in a nice way.
Gnome females are nasty, but oh well. I was just giving you a hard time to begin with. :)
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Hehe, sorry if I mislead you in my response, I knew you were giving me a hard time(Just look at your god damned picture :D ). But your last point counter argues the one before it. Why would someone hit on something nasty! :) Oh, and you cant say you dont like it when they do /train :-P
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Hehe, sorry if I mislead you in my response, I knew you were giving me a hard time(Just look at your god damned picture :D ). But your last point counter argues the one before it. Why would someone hit on something nasty! :) Oh, and you cant say you dont like it when they do /train :-P
Because they assume there's an actual female behind the keyboard controlling the funny looking garden ornament. :)
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Because they assume there's an actual female behind the keyboard controlling the funny looking garden ornament. :)
I love you, Sidoh.
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Hehe, sorry if I mislead you in my response, I knew you were giving me a hard time(Just look at your god damned picture :D ). But your last point counter argues the one before it. Why would someone hit on something nasty! :) Oh, and you cant say you dont like it when they do /train :-P
Because they assume there's an actual female behind the keyboard controlling the funny looking garden ornament. :)
Well, this can be taken advantage of, cant it?
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Well, this can be taken advantage of, cant it?
What do you mean? About 10% of people playing female characters are actually female, if even that.
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I was reading this one article about someone pretending to be in-game girl friends... and got a lot of good itesm + gold
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I was reading this one article about someone pretending to be in-game girl friends... and got a lot of good itesm + gold
I'm pretty sure I posted that link on these forums a while ago. :P If not, it was on my raid's forums.
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oh, well I was referring to that. I didnt get it from a link here, but I went to a site (linked from here) for another story, and stubled on it.
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Duh, how do you think I make 500g a da.. err... I retract that statement and replace it with the following: "Half off fishsticks on friday!"
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Duh, how do you think I make 500g a da.. err... I retract that statement and replace it with the following: "Half off fishsticks on friday!"
LOL!
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(http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/9166/towelie40pb.png)(http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3167/towelie52sv.png)
Soul Harvester FTW :D, only 9.2 more levels till 60.... :D
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I feel Bad Mojo coming off that mask. ;)
It rules. :)
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http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=151
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http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=151
Just stand there while your party gets own. LOL I love you Scr33n0r, Good luck on finding another party.
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http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=151
Just stand there while your party gets own. LOL I love you Scr33n0r, Good luck on finding another party.
The only one in my party was Thorezard (60 priest behind me), who isn't flagged. That screenshot was taken in Ironforge, the horde are friends of ours. Thorezard is TheSickEmpire on this forum.
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Update: http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=155
New Gear:
PvP Gloves/Boots
Shadowcraft Tunic
The Lobotomizer
I ambush for about 1400 now on cloth. Backstab for 1100.
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(http://i4.tinypic.com/110kkme.png)
(http://i4.tinypic.com/110kmdd.png)
This is Zere on Maelstorm lvl 11. Pretty damn good for starting him saturday? And here is my friends 60 druids I basically did for him. I got him 1-45 he did 45 -54 then I did the rest and got him the gear.
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(http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4983/towelie66bo.png)
Hehehe :)
Check out my items: http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?954333
I have 4 dreadmist pieces now :-D
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lol Luffa.
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I thought the exact same thing, I destroyed that thing after getting it from the quest. :P
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Hehe. I suppose I'd kind of like it for BG's when fighting warriors to remove rend/deep wound so I can vanish, but I'd much rather have Talismen of Arathor + Insignia of Alliance.
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I like my Heroism card + Insignia. 8)
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Heroism is nice. I've been using Blue Dragon since the second Darkmoon Faire. The thing is so awesome for priests, but I think it would suck for other classes. My spirit is like 450 with buffs. x_x
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Heroism is nice. I've been using Blue Dragon since the second Darkmoon Faire. The thing is so awesome for priests, but I think it would suck for other classes. My spirit is like 450 with buffs. x_x
Hah, well, Thorezard (TSE) got his Blue Dragon today and hates it, he doesn't like how low the proc is. (Heroism has an amazing proc rate.)
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Yeah, but his gear sucks and he's a fucking shadow priest. I don't know why you would even consider buying it if your main intention is PvP. If you run out of mana, you're probably screwed anyway. That's really only useful if you're a healbot, which he is obviously not.
He pissed me off earlier this week when he said Trascendence sucks.
Blue Dragon is absolutely amazing when you regenerate 110 mana a tick. Worth every damn penny if you're intentions are healing instead of face melting and trying to be a mage.
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Yeah, but his gear sucks and he's a fucking shadow priest. I don't know why you would even consider buying it if your main intention is PvP. If you run out of mana, you're probably screwed anyway. That's really only useful if you're a healbot, which he is obviously not.
He pissed me off earlier this week when he said Trascendence sucks.
Blue Dragon is absolutely amazing when you regenerate 110 mana a tick. Worth every damn penny if you're intentions are healing instead of face melting and trying to be a mage.
I think the reason he said Trans sucks is because...well, he likes to deal damage. (Even though he's wrong that Trans sucks, I think his take on why it sucks is the reasoning for it). Although I do think if he wanted to deal damage he should have rolled a rogue or a warrior.
He told me the other day you and him talked about how he said a warrior could out dps, and you simply told him to shut up, that I didn't agree with, because they can very easily deal more damage then rogues if they're Fury/Arms. (It's bullshit, I know, but Blizzard is stupid and doesn't realize damage is THE only thing us rogues are good at.)
But in all honesty, nothing can beat a good shadowpriest, they're just so...gah, nerf please.
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My 16 Rogue on Maelstrom for the x86 guild
(http://f5.putfile.com/6/16214372833.jpg) (http://www.putfile.com)
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I think the reason he said Trans sucks is because...well, he likes to deal damage. (Even though he's wrong that Trans sucks, I think his take on why it sucks is the reasoning for it). Although I do think if he wanted to deal damage he should have rolled a rogue or a warrior.
He told me the other day you and him talked about how he said a warrior could out dps, and you simply told him to shut up, that I didn't agree with, because they can very easily deal more damage then rogues if they're Fury/Arms. (It's bullshit, I know, but Blizzard is stupid and doesn't realize damage is THE only thing us rogues are good at.)
But in all honesty, nothing can beat a good shadowpriest, they're just so...gah, nerf please.
If he thinks Transcendence sucks at all (it's the best set gear in the game for a healing priest, hands down; no questions asked), he should not be running MC, BWL or any other instance. Shadow Priests are crushed in terms of pure damage output in PvE instances. I have never seen a Priest outdamage a mage, warlock, rogue or any other primary DPS class that wasn't AFK, disconnected or preoccupied. Their only worthwhile place is in PvP. My guild won't even allow Priests to stay Shadow spec during raids (if you want to dish out the 100g a week to switch back and forth, I don't think they'll care, but...). Despite his obvious illusions, being shadow spec in shitty gear makes a huge impact on your healing abilities.
Their are lots of classes that can beat a Shadow Priest in PvP. Warlock, mage, warrior (fury), shaman and a good paladin all have an awesome chance of beating a shadow priest 1v1.
Also, fury warriors don't necessarily out damage rogues. They outlive them. They generally have more HP, much higher armor and a lot more defense. Their DPS is also crazy, but try going to a 40 man raid instance where there are concentrated healers on both classes. I haven't run damage meters in a while, but I don't think I've ever seen the fury warriors on top of the rogues.
I told him to shut up because I was frusturated with his unessesary condescending attitude. He thinkks being a shadow priest is a much better choice than being a healing priest, when it's obvious that the intended purpose of a priest is to heal. Sure, they can do well in PvP, but so can any class with the right gear, strategy and team.
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I think the reason he said Trans sucks is because...well, he likes to deal damage. (Even though he's wrong that Trans sucks, I think his take on why it sucks is the reasoning for it). Although I do think if he wanted to deal damage he should have rolled a rogue or a warrior.
He told me the other day you and him talked about how he said a warrior could out dps, and you simply told him to shut up, that I didn't agree with, because they can very easily deal more damage then rogues if they're Fury/Arms. (It's bullshit, I know, but Blizzard is stupid and doesn't realize damage is THE only thing us rogues are good at.)
But in all honesty, nothing can beat a good shadowpriest, they're just so...gah, nerf please.
If he thinks Transcendence sucks at all (it's the best set gear in the game for a healing priest, hands down; no questions asked), he should not be running MC, BWL or any other instance. Shadow Priests are crushed in terms of pure damage output in PvE instances. I have never seen a Priest outdamage a mage, warlock, rogue or any other primary DPS class that wasn't AFK, disconnected or preoccupied. Their only worthwhile place is in PvP. My guild won't even allow Priests to stay Shadow spec during raids (if you want to dish out the 100g a week to switch back and forth, I don't think they'll care, but...). Despite his obvious illusions, being shadow spec in shitty gear makes a huge impact on your healing abilities.
Their are lots of classes that can beat a Shadow Priest in PvP. Warlock, mage, warrior (fury), shaman and a good paladin all have an awesome chance of beating a shadow priest 1v1.
Also, fury warriors don't necessarily out damage rogues. They outlive them. They generally have more HP, much higher armor and a lot more defense. Their DPS is also crazy, but try going to a 40 man raid instance where there are concentrated healers on both classes. I haven't run damage meters in a while, but I don't think I've ever seen the fury warriors on top of the rogues.
I told him to shut up because I was frusturated with his unessesary condescending attitude. He thinkks being a shadow priest is a much better choice than being a healing priest, when it's obvious that the intended purpose of a priest is to heal. Sure, they can do well in PvP, but so can any class with the right gear, strategy and team.
Here's the thing, you play a priest, and have no need to watch the damage that we do. Sure, you're leveling a rogue, but you wont know what I mean till you take that to MC/End game PvP, and you'll realize what's going on.
This is how it works:
Fury warriors can now come amazingly close to how much damage we deal, sometimes even surpassing us. If they pull aggro, they can throw on their shield and tank till the MT regains aggro, rogues will be 1/2 shotted by the boss/mob.
You see, while Mages/Priests (cloth wearers) are on an even footing with a rogues' armor, warlocks, (also cloth wearers), easily exceed our armor/hp, I have never seen a decently geared warlock below 4.2k health, and that's normally a minimal. Keep in mind, these classes can also easily deal as much, or more damage in a single shot then us, and it will have nothing based on the target's armor, our attacks do. And did I mention, next patch mages are getting a 30% aggro reduction too all spells cast talent? Meaning as long as they have mana, they will _never_ pull aggro.
Now, aside from this, we are kited by nearly every class that wants to do so, rogue's are the most cooldown reliant class in the whole game, and our cooldowns are amazingly long, sure, we'll put up a good fight once, but that's once every 5 minutes, after that anyone that wants to can come up and destroy us. A Rogue can't reasonably hope to win against most equally geared/skilled opponents without blowing multiple cooldowns, and here's a list to prove it:
Mage - Vanish to break FN. Sprint to regain ground after Blink/Chilled. Potentially need a Blind to recover from the kite.
Hunter - Sprint to regain ground after FD/Trap/Snare. Evasion to avoid WIngclip/Imp wingclip once melee range is regained. Potentially need a Blind to recover from the kite. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Druid - Vanish to break Entangle. Evasion to avoid Bash root through to full heal. Adrenaline Rush to overcome Frenzied regeneration. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Warrior - Evasion to avoid MS/Hamstring. AR/BF to overcome 6000 odd hp and more armour than a Sherman Tank. Potentially need a Blind/Bandage. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Priest - Sprint to regain ground on Fear Kite. Potentially need a Blind to recover from the kite. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Warlock - As above in regards to kite. Blind to disorient Warlock while pet [succubus] is killed. AR/BF to get through SL/5000+ hp. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Shaman - Sprint/Blind to recover from Frostshock/Earthbind kite. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Paladin - Blind to break BoP. AR/BF to get through Plate/Shield. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
And here's another one that you'll love, regaurdless of what gear we have, the damage of our few abilities will never go up, for example:
Eviscerate, Rupture, Garrote, three of our six damage dealing abilities that will NEVER change, regaurdless of if we're in all greens, or full tier 3.
Vanish is another one, no other skill has been broken as much as this, some instances this wont even bring us out of combat (BWL/MC/some parts of ZG), for fucks sake, you can go into combat while still stealthed. Explain this please.
Now to usefull stunlocks (Rogue vs Hunter):
Blind vs Scattershot.
Blind - 10 second disorient. 5 minute cooldown. Requires an expensive reagent only acquired through a specific profession.
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Scattershot - 4 second disorient. 30 second cooldown. Requires no reagent.
See, the problem is this, the only thing rogues are good at, is doing damage. We can't buff our groups like warriors, mages, priests, warlocks, hunters, paladins, and shamans. We can't tank, we can't dispell, we can't heal either. When all those classes come even the least bit close to dealing as much damage as us, we lose our liabllity in the raid.
Do you know how much a full tier 2 rogue can BS crit a full tier 2 shaman? A mail wearing class? Take a guess.
400. That is 400 damage (a dot does more damage in 6 seconds then this), and a BS takes more then half our energy, while the shaman can instant cast crit us for nearly 2k. While also impairing our movement.
Stealth - Every class has something to get us out of stealth, even though we can be seen from 20+ yards away in some occasions, we can be dotted, shouted, and even resist an AoE and still be nocked out of stealth. When a rogue losses his ability to be seen, he's open game for anyone who wants an easy bit of honor.
Now, in all of this, did you know that a Hunter, for every 1 agility, they get 2 AP? For a rogue, for every 1 agility, we also get 1 AP. Now how is it, that a ranged class, barely seeing the likes of melee, gets more AP then a melee class? This I'd love to know. Same goes for Strength, 1 str, 1 AP.
I can't wait till you hit 60, go to end game, do pvp, and then you will immediately realize what makes rogues so frustrated. Trust me, every single other rogue that has played this class will say the exact same thing if they understand what's going on.
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Here's the thing, you play a priest, and have no need to watch the damage that we do. Sure, you're leveling a rogue, but you wont know what I mean till you take that to MC/End game PvP, and you'll realize what's going on.
While playing a class that doesn't do DPS (or any class, for that matter) never necessitates knowing who's doing how much damage, I do have a perfectly valid reason for doing so: curiousity. It's not hurting anyone, so why can't I run damagemeter and glance at it when I feel the urge? Have you ran damage meters inside of a lengthly PvE instance? I honestly can't say I've ever seen a Warrior in top 10.
Fury warriors can now come amazingly close to how much damage we deal, sometimes even surpassing us. If they pull aggro, they can throw on their shield and tank till the MT regains aggro, rogues will be 1/2 shotted by the boss/mob.
I really don't think so. Remember, we're talking from two different perspectives here: PvE, which is a much more accurate measure of static damage output with few other variables accounted, and PvP, which almost always includes unforeseen consequences. I'm not arguing that Warriors suck at DPS. I'm arguing that Rogues are better at flat damage output. If this was not true, I don't think my raid would be taking 5-7 Rogues to Blackwing Lair weekly. They could just find a bunch of DPS warriors and replace them if they were just plain better at damage output.
You see, while Mages/Priests (cloth wearers) are on an even footing with a rogues' armor, warlocks, (also cloth wearers), easily exceed our armor/hp, I have never seen a decently geared warlock below 4.2k health, and that's normally a minimal. Keep in mind, these classes can also easily deal as much, or more damage in a single shot then us, and it will have nothing based on the target's armor, our attacks do. And did I mention, next patch mages are getting a 30% aggro reduction too all spells cast talent? Meaning as long as they have mana, they will _never_ pull aggro.
This I know. Actually, I'm pretty sure Priests have the highest Armor rating out of all three caster classes. Inner Fire (without any talent improvements) increases armor by some 1200 points. Frost Armor is somewhere around 600 and Demon Armor has a similar number. Warlocks *always* have more HP, as you've noted, but that's for an obvious reason. For a Warlock, mana and health are nearly interchangable. For a Priest, or much less, a Mage, this is not nearly as true. I think the single hardest class I had to deal with in the 40's bracket was a Warlock. There were a few Warriors that posed a threat, but that's generally because they traveled with a healer or some other arbitrary assortment of smelly horde friends. I truely dominated that bracket, as much as that is possible in this game. I never encountered a person or a class that I simply *could not* solo. There were a few horde players that were very good, but I rarely had a problem taking any of them out.
Now, aside from this, we are kited by nearly every class that wants to do so, rogue's are the most cooldown reliant class in the whole game, and our cooldowns are amazingly long, sure, we'll put up a good fight once, but that's once every 5 minutes, after that anyone that wants to can come up and destroy us. A Rogue can't reasonably hope to win against most equally geared/skilled opponents without blowing multiple cooldowns, and here's a list to prove it:
Yes, that's very true. However, unless it's a frost mage (that was probably the single hardest class for me to solo, but I did manage it. there was a frost mage in the bracket by the name of "eleon" who, upon several occasions, expressed the extreme respect he had for me. I realize this is a totally different game because I was not or am not 60, but I hope you recognize that Rogues aren't a completely broken class), Crippling Poison proves to be a viable remedy to this issue in many cases. I use it on both of my swords in every occasion that presents the slightest possiblity of a PvP encounter. I even put it on my offhand after I get jumped.
Mage - Vanish to break FN. Sprint to regain ground after Blink/Chilled. Potentially need a Blind to recover from the kite.
Hunter - Sprint to regain ground after FD/Trap/Snare. Evasion to avoid WIngclip/Imp wingclip once melee range is regained. Potentially need a Blind to recover from the kite. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Druid - Vanish to break Entangle. Evasion to avoid Bash root through to full heal. Adrenaline Rush to overcome Frenzied regeneration. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Warrior - Evasion to avoid MS/Hamstring. AR/BF to overcome 6000 odd hp and more armour than a Sherman Tank. Potentially need a Blind/Bandage. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Priest - Sprint to regain ground on Fear Kite. Potentially need a Blind to recover from the kite. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Warlock - As above in regards to kite. Blind to disorient Warlock while pet [succubus] is killed. AR/BF to get through SL/5000+ hp. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Shaman - Sprint/Blind to recover from Frostshock/Earthbind kite. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Paladin - Blind to break BoP. AR/BF to get through Plate/Shield. Vanish/Blind for stunlock.
Yes, I've had to use all of those strategies before. But as aforementioned, if crippling poison goes off (and the class it is used against is inable to remove it), I can generally tear through their hitpoints pretty quickly.
And here's another one that you'll love, regaurdless of what gear we have, the damage of our few abilities will never go up, for example:
Eviscerate, Rupture, Garrote, three of our six damage dealing abilities that will NEVER change, regaurdless of if we're in all greens, or full tier 3.
The base damage may not, but the damage analyzed over a shortly extended period of time will increase phenominally. Stamina allows more endurance in battle; you're able to stay alive longer to deal more damage before you're killed. Agility increases Dodge chance and Critical strike chance, which are wholly self explanatory. You stay alive longer and deal more damage. Strength increases melee damage. In addition to these points, I'd also like to point out that the three abilities you listed are but a small portion of a Rogue's damage output. In order to get a 5 point eviscerate off, I probably do roughly 700 - 3,000 damage with sinister strikes alone. Add in normal attacks after a Slice & Dice and you've got another couple of thousand, on average. Especially as a combat Rogue, damage is not about the huge numbers you see fly above the enemy's head. Other classes can validly epeen about their huge critical strikes with spells and attacks, but Rogues are sustained damage. This is more true of a Combat Rogue than of one with most talent points applied in the Sublety or Assissination trees, but it still remains fact for said Rogues--especially in PvE. You stand behind Onyxia, spam Backstab, Feint and Eviscerate. Sustained damage. :)
In essence, gear has a huge impact on a Rogue's damage output. I'm not saying you said differently, but it certainly seemed like I should clarify that for our less informed readers. ;)
Vanish is another one, no other skill has been broken as much as this, some instances this wont even bring us out of combat (BWL/MC/some parts of ZG), for fucks sake, you can go into combat while still stealthed. Explain this please.
I'm actually pretty certain it's working as intended in that regard. Blizzard doesn't want anyone breaking out of combat in those sorts of boss encounters. Hell, I've drug into combat when I was 400 yards from the rest of my raid who started a boss battle preemptively.
Now to usefull stunlocks (Rogue vs Hunter):
Blind vs Scattershot.
Blind - 10 second disorient. 5 minute cooldown. Requires an expensive reagent only acquired through a specific profession.
vs
Scattershot - 4 second disorient. 30 second cooldown. Requires no reagent.
No argument there. I hate Scattershot. It really needs to be nerfed.
See, the problem is this, the only thing rogues are good at, is doing damage. We can't buff our groups like warriors, mages, priests, warlocks, hunters, paladins, and shamans. We can't tank, we can't dispell, we can't heal either. When all those classes come even the least bit close to dealing as much damage as us, we lose our liabllity in the raid.
You do realize what you're implying has to be incorrect, right? I have never encountered a raid that brings fury warriors over rogues. We bring lots of Rogues to BWL, AQ20/AQ40, MC, ZG and every other high end instance. Rogues have not lost their viability. As pessimistic as most Rogues I've known seem, Blizzard would never allow one class to completely lose its viability.
Do you know how much a full tier 2 rogue can BS crit a full tier 2 shaman? A mail wearing class? Take a guess.
400. That is 400 damage (a dot does more damage in 6 seconds then this), and a BS takes more then half our energy, while the shaman can instant cast crit us for nearly 2k. While also impairing our movement.
Have you tried fighting a Shaman as a Combat Rogue? I'm fully aware that it's a completely different game, but once again, I must bring up the out-worldly PvP experience I've had. One of the best people horde-side was a Shaman: Halbur. He was very good, but I almost always managed to take him 1v1. He had a Kang of the Decapitator... windfury weapon. Yeah... he hurt. I got 3+ combo points on him, used expose armor and sinister strike'd him to death (stuns, kicks and any other abilities where needed). I know... it's a different game. He'd try to kite my occasionally. The tough thing with Shamans is that they can dispel poisons... grrr...
Stealth - Every class has something to get us out of stealth, even though we can be seen from 20+ yards away in some occasions, we can be dotted, shouted, and even resist an AoE and still be nocked out of stealth. When a rogue losses his ability to be seen, he's open game for anyone who wants an easy bit of honor.
Well yeah. If Stealth was an inpenetrable barrier into invunerability for any class, I would think it needs a nerf. Stealth is a valuable tool, but as I'm positive you've recognized, relying on it too heavily is a very bad idea indeed. This is one of the stronger reasons I prefer Combat to Assassination or Sublety. There is nowhere near as strong a reliance on an opening move.
Now, in all of this, did you know that a Hunter, for every 1 agility, they get 2 AP? For a rogue, for every 1 agility, we also get 1 AP. Now how is it, that a ranged class, barely seeing the likes of melee, gets more AP then a melee class? This I'd love to know. Same goes for Strength, 1 str, 1 AP.
Hunters also wear mail. While it may not seem fair, giving Rogues mail armor doesn't make much sense. I wouldn't expect to have more armor than a Hunter, but it does not seem fair at all.
I can't wait till you hit 60, go to end game, do pvp, and then you will immediately realize what makes rogues so frustrated. Trust me, every single other rogue that has played this class will say the exact same thing if they understand what's going on.
I don't expect to be a dominant part of the level 60 Battlegrounds bracket by any means. I've already fully recognized the fact that Rogues aren't nearly as viable in the 60 bracket as they are in the lower ones. I do, however, disagree that they aren't an excellent melee damage class. I'll have to run damage meters this week. :)
By the way, Screenor, I am in no way being condescending or telling you how to "play your class." I have no doubt you know better than me--especially in the realm of PvP. I've stated what I know to be true from my experiences. Just because I play a Priest does not mean I can't understand other aspects of the game, such as DPS. :P
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I was infact talking about fury warriors in PvE, if they have a healer they'll practically never die in pvp. ( -_- )
See, thing is, I also dominated in the lower brackets, but at 60 all classes finally have their anti-rogue abilities, 40-49 is...well, not so much. Another thing is you're amazingly twinked out, I wont lie, your gear is insane. Now, from what I saw last night when I was on Mythix's account, was a 60 druid potting against you, this essentially says one of two things to me, either people on your server suck an amazing amount at pvp, or you're just very good. (You're good regaurdless, but a druid potting says a lot to me, I personally have NEVER seen a druid even carry a potion.) Not to mention the hunter, who barely had any life, even while you had 4+ gaurds on you, couldn't get away, hell, he didn't even FD.
What I think about the Fury Warrior's situation is, you probably don't have them, and if you do, they're not geared out. Most fury warriors will be dual wielding axes, and very good ones, at that. See, warrior's have an unlimited amount of attacks if they can just hit the target, rogues actually have to wait till their energy regens. (This from a dagger point of view, I've never seen a sword rogue get into the top ten for pve.)
Thing is, I'm not actually talking about now, when Naxx comes out, they WILL out dps rogues. The gear upgrades for warriors are a lot better then for rogues in Naxx. For example, the best known dagger so far, is only one damage point higher then the AQ dagger which only drops off C'Thun. From there, you either need to hit GM and get that dagger (one damage point lower then AQ) or drop down and get a Perdition's Blade. Which is a lot less then either of them.
Now, sure you like being swords, but when you get tired of just spamming SS, I guarentee you'll switch to daggers. And if you can't get into an MC raid (which you probably wont, being a rogue), the best dagger you will ever be able to get will be a Lobo, which will take at the very least, two and a half weeks, 5 hours a day of farming rep in AV to get.
I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, this is just how it goes.
For your mage comment, technically...no. A mage can just rank 1 frost bolt you and then fireball, pyro blast, fire blast you, each of which will hit for atleast 950 damage (non-crit). Now, I'm going to assume you open with cheap shot on most mages, well, here's the thing, they can immediately blink out of it. If they're frost spec, don't even expect to be able to sap them, because then they can just ice block out of it. Also, their mana shield is not on a cooldown, if you break one, they can throw up another.
Now, for mages, sure they're not impossible, I killed one that got the jump on me today, but did I have to blow some much needed cooldowns to do so? Yeah. Blind, twice, Vanish once, sprint once. The entire battle cost me about 1g in total as far as reagents go.
Crippling poison -- Yeah, it's a nice thing to have, but you need to first apply two (5 seconds), stall the target enough so they actually proc, and then hope they don't have a trinket/poison clense/shapeshift to get out of it. (Note that very few classes don't have a way of getting out of it, I beleive warlock and mage, priest may as well.)
Sustained damage -- Sure, the first three attacks, and even then you're doing it on a boss, which is about, what, 600 damage total? Assuming it's non-crits. Other then the three abilities I named, we have two other damage dealing skills, backstab (only useable with daggers), and ambush (used once a fight, two if you really want to waste vanish).
Vanish -- When I say it's broken, I mean this:
If you vanish, you can still be hit back out of it. This used to not happen. For boss incounters, I don't mean dropping combat, I mean dropping threat, a hunter can feign death, and all his threat is gone, if a rogue vanishes, his threat is still there. (This happened in 1.10, wasn't like that before.) As far as getting out of combat, I agree, they shouldn't be able to leave, but that's what the skill is used for, so technically it really isn't working.
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I was infact talking about fury warriors in PvE, if they have a healer they'll practically never die in pvp. ( -_- )
Haha, yeah. Even in 10-19 this is true. Warriors are awesome in that aspect. I'm hardly twinked out compared to the freaks with +15 agility to gloves at level 19 and Arakasi (he's registered on these forums) and I still own. Him (Paladin) + Me (Warrior) own almost any Horde. : D
See, thing is, I also dominated in the lower brackets, but at 60 all classes finally have their anti-rogue abilities, 40-49 is...well, not so much. Another thing is you're amazingly twinked out, I wont lie, your gear is insane. Now, from what I saw last night when I was on Mythix's account, was a 60 druid potting against you, this essentially says one of two things to me, either people on your server suck an amazing amount at pvp, or you're just very good. (You're good regaurdless, but a druid potting says a lot to me, I personally have NEVER seen a druid even carry a potion.) Not to mention the hunter, who barely had any life, even while you had 4+ gaurds on you, couldn't get away, hell, he didn't even FD.
Which ones have they gained that makes it so much harder for a Rogue? Honestly, I think the hardest thing for a Rogue in PvP at higher levels (please, correct me if I'm wrong) is there's a lot more organized PvP. For me, I do really well 1v1, but if there's many more, I can rarely handle it unless I have a healer or some help. In the lower brackets, there are rarely preforms, even though the skill that the horde (at least on my server) brings to the battlefield is inspiring, to say the least. This was especially true after discovering I had been facing almost entirely pickup groups with a lot of regular members. No preemptive coordination... just pure, on-the-fly teamwork. As we've already both said, though, the brackets are much different. I am simply inquiring the major difference between 60 and non-60 PvP.
What I think about the Fury Warrior's situation is, you probably don't have them, and if you do, they're not geared out. Most fury warriors will be dual wielding axes, and very good ones, at that. See, warrior's have an unlimited amount of attacks if they can just hit the target, rogues actually have to wait till their energy regens. (This from a dagger point of view, I've never seen a sword rogue get into the top ten for pve.)
In my raid? I'm absolutely positive we have Fury warriors. If you're interested, I can introduce you to some of them. They're all very well geared, too. One is an ex-Grand Marshal, another is an ex-Marshal. There are a few more, but those two attend nearly every raid. One of them has Akashandi (Not sure on the spelling. It's the sword that drops off of Nefarian that does 81 DPS), the other usually dual wields the GM swords or uses one of the two-handed GM weapons. You realize that you're completely ignoring the fact that Rogues have white damage? I don't know how considerable it is for you, but I have white critical strikes that linger in the 400-500 range. With a 21% chane to land a critical strike, I think it's pretty safe to say that it is pretty foolish to ignore that damage. As I've already mentioned, Rogues are much more of a sustained, rapid damage class than something like a Warrior, who does huge bursts of damage in much longer time periods.
You've never seen a Rogue in top ten for PvE? I'll be sure to screenshot damage meters this week in AQ and BWL. I don't think I've ever not seen our two sword rogues in the top ten. They almost always outdamage the dagger rogues. One of these two uses Chromatically Tempered Blade and Maladeath, Runesword of the Black Dragonflight. The other uses Brutality Blade and Maladeath. The one I have the most respect for (he's the class leader and an incredibly talented Rogue) is Sublety spec'd. A sword Rogue. Sublety. I know he has a few points in Combat, but he has enough in Sublety to have Hemorrhage. Remember -- endgame PvE is a much different game. You don't have to worry about getting ganked as long as you know how to use Feint on cooldown. As for PvP, I could not say. I have a decently close friend who is shooting for Grand Marshal (he's well on his way. A few weeks ago, he was Knight-Captain. Today he made Marshal) who is a sword spec'd rogue. I'll have to ask him how he does.
Thing is, I'm not actually talking about now, when Naxx comes out, they WILL out dps rogues. The gear upgrades for warriors are a lot better then for rogues in Naxx. For example, the best known dagger so far, is only one damage point higher then the AQ dagger which only drops off C'Thun. From there, you either need to hit GM and get that dagger (one damage point lower then AQ) or drop down and get a Perdition's Blade. Which is a lot less then either of them.
You're not even considering Swords, Maces or Daggers.
http://wowwalkthroughs.free.fr/The%20Hungering%20Cold.html
http://www.thottbot.com/?i=44357
That is a MASSIVE upgrade. Look at it! 58.5 DPS to 73.1 DPS? Yeah... that's a huge upgrade. Christ, the speed is even slower! That thing is awesome!
Now, sure you like being swords, but when you get tired of just spamming SS, I guarentee you'll switch to daggers. And if you can't get into an MC raid (which you probably wont, being a rogue), the best dagger you will ever be able to get will be a Lobo, which will take at the very least, two and a half weeks, 5 hours a day of farming rep in AV to get.
Why would I get tired of spamming Sinister Strike? Thus far, I've been more impressed with the damage output of swords. It seems that Sinister Strike is a much more viable attack because Backstab requires you to be behind the enemy, which can often be prevented by simple manuvering techniques. As I've said several times, though, I'll let you know when I get there. ;)
I'm actually fairly certain I already have a spot in an MC raid. Having been with the same guild for several months allows these things. :)
I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, this is just how it goes.
Yeah, I know. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that I'll play the game the way I want to. If I see a change that needs to be made to better my strategy, I'll take your advice into account, but until then, I'm going to stay swords. The guy I mentioned earlier is 13 years old. Unless he's doing pretty well (from talk on the forums, it sounds like he is), I don't think his attention span would permit him to stay the same spec for several months while enduring constant ass beatings. I've known the kid for over a year now. He has severe ADHD.
For your mage comment, technically...no. A mage can just rank 1 frost bolt you and then fireball, pyro blast, fire blast you, each of which will hit for atleast 950 damage (non-crit). Now, I'm going to assume you open with cheap shot on most mages, well, here's the thing, they can immediately blink out of it. If they're frost spec, don't even expect to be able to sap them, because then they can just ice block out of it. Also, their mana shield is not on a cooldown, if you break one, they can throw up another.
Actually, I generally try to open with Garrote on a mage unless I've just seen them burn their Blink ability or the place of battle is pseudo-constrained--enough to where I can catch up to them after the opening move.
Now, for mages, sure they're not impossible, I killed one that got the jump on me today, but did I have to blow some much needed cooldowns to do so? Yeah. Blind, twice, Vanish once, sprint once. The entire battle cost me about 1g in total as far as reagents go.
There are some classes that simply do well against other classes. On the rare occasion I PvP on my Priest, Rogues constantly gank me. Sure, I'm not Shadow specc'd, but I know a few Knight-Champion priests that are holy and discipline.
Crippling poison -- Yeah, it's a nice thing to have, but you need to first apply two (5 seconds), stall the target enough so they actually proc, and then hope they don't have a trinket/poison clense/shapeshift to get out of it. (Note that very few classes don't have a way of getting out of it, I beleive warlock and mage, priest may as well.)
Paladin: Yes, but rarely need to worry about them. They're not very good at kiting anyway... no ranged attack!
Shaman: Yes, they have at least two ways. I always check to see if the blue totems are Poison Cleansing and gank them if they are. Shamans rarely expect people to go for their totems, but if they pose a critical threat to my strategy, then I will.
Rogue: No. Doesn't matter anyway
Warrior: No.
Druid: Yes, but they have to break out of shapeshift in order to do so. When they do that, I'll stun them, which they'll break out of with another shapeshift. They'll notice the poison is still on them, so go back to caster form. After that much form-dancing, they're usually dead. Druids are a joke for me.
Warlock: No. They're the worst to kite. If I can't intercept them after a few seconds, I'll usually burn sprint or run to the healing hut. I hate that strategy. If they want me to chase them around aimlessly, they're foolish! =)
Priest: No.
Hunter: No.
Mage: No.
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Sustained damage -- Sure, the first three attacks, and even then you're doing it on a boss, which is about, what, 600 damage total? Assuming it's non-crits. Other then the three abilities I named, we have two other damage dealing skills, backstab (only useable with daggers), and ambush (used once a fight, two if you really want to waste vanish).
Huh? Regardless of your build, you're generally sitting behind the boss, out of range or line of sight for most of its damage abilities. Dagger Rogues spam Backstab, Eviscerate and Feint. Sword Rogues replace Backstab with Sinister Strike or Hemorrhage. No, it's not about 600 damage. The boss has 5 sunder armors on it, which is more effective than a 5 point expose armor. On average (assuming a low chance to miss, enemy dodge/parry/block), white damage adds up to around 1000-3000, Sinister Strikes slightly more than that and then you add in Eviscerates every 10 seconds or so, which will hit anywhere from 500-2000. A Rogue's damage is much more partitioned than a Warrior, who is generally relying on White attacks, Heroic Strikes when Rage permits and Execute when the time is proper. Warriors are forced to limit their damage much more than a Rogue, because they do not have an ability to lower the threat they produce. Rogues have Feint, which when used regularly, permits nearly non-stop spamming of the aforementioned abilities.
Vanish -- When I say it's broken, I mean this:
If you vanish, you can still be hit back out of it. This used to not happen. For boss incounters, I don't mean dropping combat, I mean dropping threat, a hunter can feign death, and all his threat is gone, if a rogue vanishes, his threat is still there. (This happened in 1.10, wasn't like that before.) As far as getting out of combat, I agree, they shouldn't be able to leave, but that's what the skill is used for, so technically it really isn't working.
Vanish doesn't drop threat? Are you sure on that? I hadn't heard that. I will definitely believe it, though, since I don't see my raid leader telling Rogues to vanish when Vaelestraz casts Burning Adrenaline on the main tank any more.
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You should split this thread, you two went off-topic in your battle of the egos. This is a "Post Your Character" thread, not a dicuss your class thread. ;[
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There are a few more, but those two attend nearly every raid. One of them has Akashandi
You lose me here, the reason being, Ashkahndi is a two handed sword, any fury warrior using a two hander is a complete dumbass, and it's no wonder they're getting out dpsed. If you're using a two hander you go arms for Mortal Strike, and two hander spec, not fury. The only thing in the fury tree for a twohander is Slam, a spell cast, that is a terrible skill, and not even comparable to MS.
You've never seen a Rogue in top ten for PvE?
You misread my post, I said sword rogue.
There are some classes that simply do well against other classes. On the rare occasion I PvP on my Priest, Rogues constantly gank me. Sure, I'm not Shadow specc'd, but I know a few Knight-Champion priests that are holy and discipline.
Most pvp guilds don't let their priests stay in shadowform during the BG. :P
Paladin: Yes, but rarely need to worry about them. They're not very good at kiting anyway... no ranged attack!
Shaman: Yes, they have at least two ways. I always check to see if the blue totems are Poison Cleansing and gank them if they are. Shamans rarely expect people to go for their totems, but if they pose a critical threat to my strategy, then I will.
Rogue: No. Doesn't matter anyway
Warrior: No.
Druid: Yes, but they have to break out of shapeshift in order to do so. When they do that, I'll stun them, which they'll break out of with another shapeshift. They'll notice the poison is still on them, so go back to caster form. After that much form-dancing, they're usually dead. Druids are a joke for me.
Warlock: No. They're the worst to kite. If I can't intercept them after a few seconds, I'll usually burn sprint or run to the healing hut. I hate that strategy. If they want me to chase them around aimlessly, they're foolish! =)
Priest: No.
Hunter: No.
Mage: No.
A rogue has vanish, a druid should never have to leave bear form really anyway, but eh, and a warlock doesn't have to move, they just fear you away, same with priest.
Vanish doesn't drop threat? Are you sure on that? I hadn't heard that. I will definitely believe it, though, since I don't see my raid leader telling Rogues to vanish when Vaelestraz casts Burning Adrenaline on the main tank any more.
Yeah, confirmed bug by Blizzard, that they'll "get around" to fixing.
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You lose me here, the reason being, Ashkahndi is a two handed sword, any fury warrior using a two hander is a complete dumbass, and it's no wonder they're getting out dpsed. If you're using a two hander you go arms for Mortal Strike, and two hander spec, not fury. The only thing in the fury tree for a twohander is Slam, a spell cast, that is a terrible skill, and not even comparable to MS.
Sorry. At least the one with Ashkahndi is Arms. Shows how much I've played a Warrior. :P
Even still, look at this: http://www.methart.com/chaosBBS/index.php?topic=193.msg1100#msg1100
Khoveras is one of our Warriors. He's definitely Fury spec. :P
You misread my post, I said sword rogue.
In PvE? Hahahaha. Sword Rogues nearly always outdamage Dagger Rogues in elongated battle, especially in PvE. I'll screenshot the damage meters for you this week.
If you need me to run some numbers, let me know.
Most pvp guilds don't let their priests stay in shadowform during the BG. :P
Mind Flay is probably the most annoying spell (right after Psychic Scream, of course) for me to deal with. You don't need to be in Shadow Form to use it. :\
A rogue has vanish, a druid should never have to leave bear form really anyway, but eh, and a warlock doesn't have to move, they just fear you away, same with priest.
If they can't use Death Coil or my trinket is on cooldown, kiting is much more effective. Nearly every warlock that recognized my name did that in place of fear. It's far too easy to interupt.
By the way, Fear is getting nerfed. :)
Yeah, confirmed bug by Blizzard, that they'll "get around" to fixing.
It'll get fixed. It's not like it makes a huge difference anyway. Using Feint on cooldown is much more effective. :P
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I like how the whole 3rd page dosent have one single JPG/GIF. GG
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You lose me here, the reason being, Ashkahndi is a two handed sword, any fury warrior using a two hander is a complete dumbass, and it's no wonder they're getting out dpsed. If you're using a two hander you go arms for Mortal Strike, and two hander spec, not fury. The only thing in the fury tree for a twohander is Slam, a spell cast, that is a terrible skill, and not even comparable to MS.
Sorry. At least the one with Ashkahndi is Arms. Shows how much I've played a Warrior. :P
Even still, look at this: http://www.methart.com/chaosBBS/index.php?topic=193.msg1100#msg1100
Khoveras is one of our Warriors. He's definitely Fury spec. :P
To further push this thread off topic, I'm not sure what you're getting at with that link, mind elaberating?
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Scroll down and look at the links Khoveras gives.
You said something about my raid not having Fury warriors? There's one. :P
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Scroll down and look at the links Khoveras gives.
You said something about my raid not having Fury warriors? There's one. :P
No I didn't.
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I like how you took that screenshot with the skull on the little tree in westfalls. GG. Your rouge is starting to look better and better.
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I like how you took that screenshot with the skull on the little tree in westfalls. GG. Your rouge is starting to look better and better.
:D Thanks, I never see you online anymore -.^
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I like how you took that screenshot with the skull on the little tree in westfalls. GG. Your rouge is starting to look better and better.
:D Thanks, I never see you online anymore -.^
Friends account. Work. Never have time to go over to his house.
Dont worry though. My next paycheck comes in next thrusday. It is going to around 400 bucks and I will buy a gamecard and the game agian and start my own fucking account.
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I like how you took that screenshot with the skull on the little tree in westfalls. GG. Your rouge is starting to look better and better.
:D Thanks, I never see you online anymore -.^
Friends account. Work. Never have time to go over to his house.
Dont worry though. My next paycheck comes in next thrusday. It is going to around 400 bucks and I will buy a gamecard and the game agian and start my own fucking account.
Woohoo!
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Level Human 47 Warlock
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AGI: 45
STA: 83
INT: 181
SPI: 143
Armor: 615 (1005 with Demon Armor)
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First Aid: 154
Fishing: 129
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Shoulders:
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Chrome Ring (http://www.thottbot.com/?i=38803) of the Owl
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Wow Joe...Get more stamina.
We just finished MC, TSE got his Eye of Divinity for Bene, which he is now doing his quest for, and then we're all heading over to AQ40 to try Huhu again. On the same run I got my Perdition's Blade from Rag. We were talking about it right before the raid how it'd be funny as all hell if they both dropped....Well they did, fucking woot!
Will post screenshots later.
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(http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=229)
Put +5 weapon damage on it, owns so hard.
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Joe, Warlocks need a lot more stamina then that...
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Joe, Warlocks need a lot more stamina then that...
It's no wonder he says he has trouble with rogues.
You gain Stealth.
Your Ambush crits Joe for 2100.
Joe dies.
Oh, and I don't know if I mentioned or not, but my shoulders are server first. 8)
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Joe, Warlocks need a lot more stamina then that...
I drain-tank. Never take more damage than I heal myself, PvE, one-on-one.
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Joe, Warlocks need a lot more stamina then that...
I drain-tank. Never take more damage than I heal myself, PvE, one-on-one.
Doesn't matter, your main supply of mana is your health, and your health is also your main means of living. It's no wonder you get beat by rogues.
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I'm an affliction warlock. My main source of mana is my pet's mana.
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And intellect.
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I'm an affliction warlock. My main source of mana is my pet's mana.
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And intellect.
l2p a warlock :P
Even if you are affliction, you should still be using Life Tap and Drain Life after a combination of DoT's. By the way, Imp Voidwalker is almost a must for leveling. :P
Also, Demonology > Affliction imo. Soul Link is where it's at.
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I'll definately respecc when I get closer to 60.
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I'm an affliction warlock. My main source of mana is my pet's mana.
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And intellect.
l2p a warlock :P
Even if you are affliction, you should still be using Life Tap and Drain Life after a combination of DoT's. By the way, Imp Voidwalker is almost a must for leveling. :P
Also, Demonology > Affliction imo. Soul Link is where it's at.
Fuck you you overpowered bastard. -_- Warlocks need to die, I hate SL.
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Fuck you you overpowered bastard. -_- Warlocks need to die, I hate SL.
No argument. Soul Link is like having 5 shields. 30% damage reduction is amazing (could also be considered... overpowered O_O). :)
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I definately might look into demonology. Affliction offers WONDERFUL croud control. Drop DOT's and Siphon Life on each person and drain tank each one, fully able to heal whatever they dish out if you're not too far below them. Having a voidwalker out only benefits you, too.
However, I think it'd be nice if your voidwalker could actually hold aggro while you attack something like it did at the low levels, and could actually do damage. Master Demonologist could be great in the middle of a fight if someone kills the pet or you have to sacrifice it (voidwalker).
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I definately might look into demonology. Affliction offers WONDERFUL croud control. Drop DOT's and Siphon Life on each person and drain tank each one, fully able to heal whatever they dish out if you're not too far below them. Having a voidwalker out only benefits you, too.
Crowd Control is when you incapacitate a mob.
However, I think it'd be nice if your voidwalker could actually hold aggro while you attack something like it did at the low levels, and could actually do damage. Master Demonologist could be great in the middle of a fight if someone kills the pet or you have to sacrifice it (voidwalker).
Voidwalker's Sacrifice is more useful than Demonic Sacrifice. 3% of your health every 4 seconds? Woo...
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I definately might look into demonology. Affliction offers WONDERFUL croud control. Drop DOT's and Siphon Life on each person and drain tank each one, fully able to heal whatever they dish out if you're not too far below them. Having a voidwalker out only benefits you, too.
Crowd Control is when you incapacitate a mob.
However, I think it'd be nice if your voidwalker could actually hold aggro while you attack something like it did at the low levels, and could actually do damage. Master Demonologist could be great in the middle of a fight if someone kills the pet or you have to sacrifice it (voidwalker).
Voidwalker's Sacrifice is more useful than Demonic Sacrifice. 3% of your health every 4 seconds? Woo...
Well, lets see sidoh. Lets say he has that + the affliction spell of drain life. Now if we put it together.... 3% of health every 4 seconds, health every 3 seconds from drain life, and health every second from siphon life. Now you are talking O.o
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Well, lets see sidoh. Lets say he has that + the affliction spell of drain life. Now if we put it together.... 3% of health every 4 seconds, health every 3 seconds from drain life, and health every second from siphon life. Now you are talking O.o
If things are nasty enough to sacrifice your voidwalker, chances are you're going to be running. Which would you rather have? 80-ish (probably more like 60 in Joe's case...) health every 4 seconds (woot!11!!!!!111111!!one!1eleven~!11cos(0)) or a shield that absorbs 1000 damage?
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(http://weaponofmassdestruction.us/tianos.jpg)
:D
EDIT: I can't believe my character blinked in a picture.
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Screenor picked up Vis'kag and respecced swords! Pics later.
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Screenor picked up Vis'kag and respecced swords! Pics later.
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Screenor picked up Vis'kag and respecced swords! Pics later.
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... ? I decided I'd take the ez mode way of being a rogue, problem?
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... ? I decided I'd take the ez mode way of being a rogue, problem?
Haven't you been belittling swords every time we discuss the issue? :P
I like to think of it as the 'smart' and 'efficient' way, but I suppose I'll leave your own word choice to you. ;)
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... ? I decided I'd take the ez mode way of being a rogue, problem?
Haven't you been belittling swords every time we discuss the issue? :P
I like to think of it as the 'smart' and 'efficient' way, but I suppose I'll leave your own word choice to you. ;)
I was belittling how easy it is, yes. I took out a warrior today in WSG without even trying, it's just an unskilled spec in general, but I decided I'd have some fun being a fury warrior.
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I was belittling how easy it is, yes. I took out a warrior today in WSG without even trying, it's just an unskilled spec in general, but I decided I'd have some fun being a fury warrior.
That's like saying a programmer is unskilled for using a superior language. Your claims are asinine. :P
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I was belittling how easy it is, yes. I took out a warrior today in WSG without even trying, it's just an unskilled spec in general, but I decided I'd have some fun being a fury warrior.
That's like saying a programmer is unskilled for using a superior language. Your claims are asinine. :P
That's not even a good comparison, there's a huge difference between a spec that takes all of two buttons to use and a programming language that's a little..cleaner. You still have
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That's not even a good comparison, there's a huge difference between a spec that takes all of two buttons to use and a programming language that's a little..cleaner. You still have
Nice job not finishing your post, asshole. :(
I think it's a fine comparison, though I'm aware of its obvious flaws. Perfect analogies don't exist. The point of an analogy is to put something in a more universal realm into the context of something more obscure and less understood.
In any case, I don't know what this "two buttons" non-sense is about. How many buttons do you use as a dagger rogue? What's the skill difference between spamming backstab and spamming sinister strike? Running behind an enemy? I could train my sister to do this in less than a minute. . .
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Sinister Strike - Eviscerate.
Daggers actually require stunlocks to beat your opponent, stealth, you know, strategy.
The only problem I have right now is I'm a big numbers whore, even though I generally do more damage, I don't see as many crits, so I'm probably going back to daggers come 1.12, and waiting till I get a second sword/fist better then Protector's Sword.
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Sinister Strike - Eviscerate.
Daggers actually require stunlocks to beat your opponent, stealth, you know, strategy.
I have no clue what you're talking about. In PvP, I use Gouge, Kidney Shot and Slice & Dice frequently. I use the same skills (and probably more I'm not remembering...) at least every other battle. I use Slice & Dice at the beginning of every combat sequence.
Again... you seem to think that the entire game revolves around PvP.
The only problem I have right now is I'm a big numbers whore, even though I generally do more damage, I don't see as many crits, so I'm probably going back to daggers come 1.12, and waiting till I get a second sword/fist better then Protector's Sword.
I don't really blame you, but I had a hard time using daggers... the sustained damage doesn't really compare in the long run if you're using equivilant weapons.
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It only seems like I'm revolving it around pvp because that's the only place I can compare them because when it comes to pve it's the same for ANY class. The same few buttons being spammed over and over. Some kind of arguement that'd be.
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It only seems like I'm revolving it around pvp because that's the only place I can compare them because when it comes to pve it's the same for ANY class. The same few buttons being spammed over and over. Some kind of arguement that'd be.
Hahaha. No. I'll name off the spells I use on my Priest in a raid:
Flash Heal (several ranks)
Heal (several ranks)
Greater Heal (several ranks)
Renew
Power Word: Shield
Wand
Buffs: Prayer of Fortitude, Prayer of Spirit, Prayer of Shadow Protection
Shadow Word: Pain
Smite
Mana Burn
Those are the ones I can think of off of the top of my head.
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If you're using Heal, Greater Heal, SW:P, or Smite in a raid, sorry but you're an idiot. Unless you have 8/8 Trans (which you don't) there's no reason to use it, this leaving you with the following:
Flash Heal
Renew
PW:S
Buffs
Wand
Mana Burn
Now, the only time you will EVER use Mana Burn in a raid that I know of is in AQ40, this being on two occasions, and there's several in AQ20. Wand you will only ever need if you run out of mana, which you should never have to in a single fight because if you knew how to heal you wouldn't be using the full rank of Flash Heal (Rank 7). Buffs don't count, they're also not a consistantly used skill, they're used once before a boss (sometimes trash mobs), this leaves you at:
Flash Heal
Renew
PW:S
I've healed in MC/BWL/AQ20 on two different priests, and always have been fine, so you can't tell me I don't know how a priest works end-game.
Wether you like it or not, that's what end game raiding scales down to, and the newer instances (AQ-Naxx) require even less work from priests, and more out of melee movement wise.
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If you're using Heal, Greater Heal, SW:P, or Smite in a raid, sorry but you're an idiot. Unless you have 8/8 Trans (which you don't) there's no reason to use it, this leaving you with the following
It's somewhat funny that you should say that, because I would say anyone who doesn't use Heal or Greater Heal in a raid is an idiot, or at least a very unlearned Priest.
I've done several analysis sessions on all of the different healing spells and I suppose you'll be shocked to find out that Heal is one of the most efficient spells possible. Its obvious drawback is that it doesn't heal for much, but its advantages far outweigh this simple disadvantage in most situations.
It's a slow spell -- Spell damage/healing bonus is more benefical with slow spells. The simplified version of spell/healing bonus for a specific spell is: (BaseBuffBonus * (CastTime / 3.5)). The slower the spell, the more beneficial +Healing gear becomes. For this reason, Flash Heal is much less efficient to use in this aspect.
It has a relatively low mana cost -- Rank 3 costs 305 mana by default, which is 80% of the top rank of Flash Heal. The top rank of Flash Heal is 380 mana for approximately the same amount of healing, after +Healing is considered.
Heal is affected by Improved Healing -- This Holy talent does not affect Flash Heal. This reduces the mana cost of Rank 3 to 216 Mana, which is 57% the cost of Flash Heal (Rank 7).
A simple base comparison for healing spells that I commonly use is casting the spell until you run out of mana, considering mana regeneration while casting. The most efficient rank of each spell (after considering +healing) is always the first rank. However, the obvious problem with that is the amount of healing isn't nearly enough to keep up with damage in most situations, so a comprimise is usually made. I tend to choose a rank in the middle of the possible given ranks, which in Heal's case is 2 or 3. I chose 3. Using this situation in my gear, Heal (Rank 3) produces an average of 50,881 points of healing with a possible 47 casts. Flash Heal (Rank 4) produces an average of 30,703 points of healing with a possible 45 casts. Flash Heal (Rank 7) produces an average of 26,020 points of healing with a possible 23 cats. As you can see, Heal is significantly better. In fact, if you're using the top rank of Flash Heal, it's nearly twice as good.
I use Greater Heal an average of once per combat, depending on my specified role. Using the same comparison, Greater Heal (Rank 5, the one obtained from a book in AQ) produces an average of 35,540 points of healing with a possible 14 casts. Rank 3 produces 38,227 points of healing with a posible 19 casts. The problem with Greater Heal is that the amount healed between ranks varies so little that +Healing doesn't make a significant difference in comparison to other spells, such as Heal and Flash Heal. The marvelous thing with this spell, though, is its pure healing potential. If it becomes apparent that someone is going to soon be clobbered, this is a great spell to use. Another considerable disadvantage it entails, though, is its high mana cost. The top rank is nearly twice the cost of the previously discussed spells, which is why I don't use it nearly as much.
I use SW:P and Smite when there's no healing that needs done and I have mana to expend. I realize that it's nearly a complete waste of mana, but they are definitely spells I use. Smite is higher DPS than a wand and it doesn't have the rediculous amount of aggro associated with it that Mind Blast does.
Now, the only time you will EVER use Mana Burn in a raid that I know of is in AQ40, this being on two occasions, and there's several in AQ20. Wand you will only ever need if you run out of mana, which you should never have to in a single fight because if you knew how to heal you wouldn't be using the full rank of Flash Heal (Rank 7). Buffs don't count, they're also not a consistantly used skill, they're used once before a boss (sometimes trash mobs), this leaves you at:
There is more than two Obsidian Guardian things in AQ40. I'm pretty sure there are 3 or 4. :P
It is unwise to expend your entire mana pool without trying to perserve it by allowing for full regeneration unless it is necessary. In fights that last much longer than 3 minutes, I will stop casting for 10-30 seconds to allow my mana to regenerate at ~170% of the rate it does while casting.
You're misusing the word "consistently." The spells aren't used often in relation to others, but they're definitely used consistently.
Flash Heal
Renew
PW:S
I've healed in MC/BWL/AQ20 on two different priests, and always have been fine, so you can't tell me I don't know how a priest works end-game.
Anyone can be a competent healer. It honestly doesn't take much skill. It takes more than intuition to be an excellent healer. You may know how to play a Priest end-game, but that doesn't mean you understand everything about them. You've already made it obvious that this isn't the case.
Wether you like it or not, that's what end game raiding scales down to, and the newer instances (AQ-Naxx) require even less work from priests, and more out of melee movement wise.
Too bad you're wrong. :P
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Hahaha. No. I'll name off the spells I use on my Priest in a raid:
Flash Heal (several ranks)
Heal (several ranks)
Greater Heal (several ranks)
Renew
Power Word: Shield
Wand
Buffs: Prayer of Fortitude, Prayer of Spirit, Prayer of Shadow Protection
Shadow Word: Pain
Smite
Mana Burn
Those are the ones I can think of off of the top of my head.
I'd so have Inner Fire up so I could go tank.
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I'd so have Inner Fire up so I could go tank.
Haha, oops. I meant to put that, but looks like I spaced it out. :(
I'm still in the old habit of casting it every time I remember, which is generally a few times in a three-minute interval. I adopted this habit when the duration of the buff was only 3 minutes.
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It's somewhat funny that you should say that, because I would say anyone who doesn't use Heal or Greater Heal in a raid is an idiot, or at least a very unlearned Priest.
I really hope you're not healing the Main Tank, because that's just stupid.
I use SW:P and Smite when there's no healing that needs done and I have mana to expend. I realize that it's nearly a complete waste of mana, but they are definitely spells I use. Smite is higher DPS than a wand and it doesn't have the rediculous amount of aggro associated with it that Mind Blast does.
If you're using dps spells as a healer, once again, that's stupid. You're obviously not doing new content and basing everything on your MC raids, try doing that in a guild that actually wants to get through AQ/Naxx, yeah, bye bye guild.
There is more than two Obsidian Guardian things in AQ40. I'm pretty sure there are 3 or 4. Tongue
...My point stands.
Anyone can be a competent healer. It honestly doesn't take much skill. It takes more than intuition to be an excellent healer. You may know how to play a Priest end-game, but that doesn't mean you understand everything about them. You've already made it obvious that this isn't the case.
And the way you heal REALLY is not impressive. All you showed me was that you can overheal, heal slower, save 80 mana, and dps as a healer.
I can use rank 3-4 FH's, heal faster, save more mana, heal perfectly fine, and not have to worry about a damned thing the whole fight.
Too bad you're wrong. Tongue
Really? So name to me the fights in AQ you consistantly move. Twin Emps, what else? BWL? MC?
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I really hope you're not healing the Main Tank, because that's just stupid.
I really hope you actually read my post, instead of hastily formulating a silly retort preemptively:
[...] Its obvious drawback is that it doesn't heal for much, but its advantages far outweigh this simple disadvantage in most situations. [...]
Main Tank healing is clearly an exception, assuming that you're one of few healers doing it. If there are 3-5 healers on them at all times, though, Heal is perfectly sufficient -- even for boss fights. I've done it. It works great. The best Priests I know use it as well. Read my fucking post.
Main Tank healing is one of several possible roles as a healer. I generally assign myself to mass cross-healing, which is also vital to a raid's viability.
If you're using dps spells as a healer, once again, that's stupid. You're obviously not doing new content and basing everything on your MC raids, try doing that in a guild that actually wants to get through AQ/Naxx, yeah, bye bye guild.
Yes, Screenor. I do it in vitally important, new, uncovered content. I like to poke all the bugs I can in the Twin Emps fight.
Since you're clearly incapable of discovering intuitive subtleties, I'll make this one more explicit for you: </sarcasm>. I use DPS spells when I'm bored and there's nothing else to do.
And the way you heal REALLY is not impressive. All you showed me was that you can overheal, heal slower, save 80 mana, and dps as a healer.
The way you read is really depressing. You're clearly incapable of devoting your attention to a few paragraphs. I explained it perfectly well, but you obviously didn't understand a thing I said.
I have a few questions and counter-points regarding your silly, wrong accusations:
-- How does anything I posted above construe inevitable overhealing?
-- Using slower healing spells have significant advantages. READ THIS:
Spell damage/healing bonus is more benefical with slow spells. The simplified version of spell/healing bonus for a specific spell is: (BaseBuffBonus * (CastTime / 3.5)). The slower the spell, the more beneficial +Healing gear becomes. For this reason, Flash Heal is much less efficient to use in this aspect.
-- 80 mana may sound insignificant alone, but when you put it into the scope of the issue at hand, it becomes much more considerable. Flash Heal (Rank 7) is 380 mana. Heal (Rank 3) is 305 by default. After Improved Healing, which nearly any raid-healing Prieset has, it becomes 216 mana. Even at 305 mana, it is 20% less than Flash Heal R7. At 217 mana, it is 47% less. When casting this 50 times, 80 mana becomes 4000 mana. Likewise, 163 mana becomes 8150 mana. In order to understand what I'm attempting to explain to you, I think you're going to have to turn your brain on.
-- I don't make serious attempts to DPS as a healer. It's more of a leisurely attempt to entertain myself than anything intentionally productive.
I can use rank 3-4 FH's, heal faster, save more mana, heal perfectly fine, and not have to worry about a damned thing the whole fight.
Again: you must have missed the entire point of what I posted above. Healing faster isn't necessarily better. Please, recurse over what I've scribed into the ledgendary logs of this post before you continue. Comprehend what I post and maybe you'll see that what I'm trying to say completely nullifies nearly every point you've attempted to make in this argument.
I have more counter-points, some of which are reiterations:
-- Healing faster isn't always better. If a person is going to die unless you heal them in a timeframe that is only presented by Flash Heal, then it's obviously the best spell to use. If this isn't the case, however, (which is far and away the most common case) using slower healing spells is more efficient.
-- You don't save more mana. I've already explained to you that Heal is more efficient. Flash Heal (Rank 4) produces an average heal of 710 with 600 +Healing while costing 215 mana. With the same amount, Heal (Rank 3) yields a median recovery of 1,138 hit points, while costing a nearly identical 216 mana. Over the course of 50 casts, 1 mana obviously becomes 50 mana lost to using Heal in place of Flash Heal. However, 420 points of healing becomes 21,000 points of healing over the course of 50 casts. Heal (Rank 3) is enormously more efficient than any rank of Flash Heal, including Rank 1.
Really? So name to me the fights in AQ you consistantly move. Twin Emps, what else? BWL? MC?
Fights where I consistently move? What do you mean, move? Change the location of my character on the map? Chromaggus, Flamegor, Firemaw, Nefarian, Ragnaros... approximately 50% of the boss fights in the instances I've ran require intentional movement of my character.
Unfortunately for you, though, moving around isn't difficult. It's a sequence of reactions that can almost always be purely driven by intuition, whereas healing requires constant, rough efficiency analysations if you wish to excel in your role. Efficiency analysis can't be driven by intuition... it is driven by attentive, logical and swift thought.
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(http://krazed.bitching.org/troten.jpg)
My horde alt. ATM lvl20.
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looks so lonely.
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(http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=51)
Drood!
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Yea, he's lonely. I was going for that boss look. Troten's Lair IMO.
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My 70 gnome warlock. Probably the last time I'll see him. :P
(http://bombmaking.info/gnomelock.gif)
Chicks dig the big swords.
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My 70 gnome warlock. Probably the last time I'll see him. :P
<image>
Chicks dig the big swords.
Hell yes they do. Why the last time?
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Sold it.
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http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Andorhal&n=Nemtih
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I gots me a new tabard. :)
(http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9703/newtabardir8.png) Bonus points of you can name it!
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I haven't used mine in like a month. :(
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I went 66->68 within two days of starting to play again. :D <3 rest experience.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Suramar&n=Kolgrim
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I gots me a new tabard. :)
Bonus points of you can name it!
It's the Tabard of Frost, from the trading card game. One of the mages in my guild has it.
(http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=162)(http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=163)
My helm kicks your tabard's butt.
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LOL! The robes or whatever in the second one have circles around your boobs. hahahaha
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LOL! The robes or whatever in the second one have circles around your boobs. hahahaha
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v312/mitchs/obvious.gif)
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I was hoping to invoke a conversation concerning the perverted nature of Blizzard developers, but I guess you weren't able to see that. :(
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I was hoping to invoke a conversation concerning the perverted nature of Blizzard developers, but I guess you weren't able to see that. :(
Yes, yes, haha. Although, I don't really mind. It really doesn't bother me that Blizzard has tried to make everything about my character sexual. It's amusing.
(Except those bloody antlers....)
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(http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/upload/viewitem.php?id=164)
Grrrr, lol.
My Draenei Shaman! I've been playing it for about a week and a half now. It's already level 34! :)
I've actually been working on my professions on this character. I hardly ever do that. I'm 185 mining, 151 Jewelcrafting (I have a bunch of stuff in the bank I can use to get up to around 170), 225 cooking, 225 first aid and 180 something fishing.
Enhancement is an awesome spec. I had a Windfury proc today that added up to a little over 800. It was awesome.
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(http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1674/zerohw3.jpg)
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Crushridge&n=Zeroblade
My main Yeah I probally eat everybody here =p
(http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Crushridge&n=Sty)
My soon to be 39 twink. If you look at my guild "L O C K D O W N" and check our Endac 39 rogue that was my failed attempt one and is my next 70
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3254/zerotwinkpr2.jpg)
And my 19 twink on maelstorm "Cant find armory for him since I forgot how to do the alt charater" SIDOH PLAY WITH ME!!!
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May I introduce to you, Nemtih:
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/1.jpg)
Nemtih keeps it real. He even keeps it real on his epic mount. Which he got solo. SOLO. stole.
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/2.jpg)
Pimpin' ain't easy but it's necessary, and sometimes you gotta collect when a bitch ain't frontin' you her daily wages.
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/3.jpg)
Who's this fuckin' "brotherhood" anyway? She workin' for another pimp? Not on my watch. This bitch 'bout to pay the price nigga.
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/4.jpg)
Sometimes it's hard out there for a pimp. 'specially when noobs be witnessin' you murder. Observe:
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/5.jpg)
But it's ok, because my mysterious ways keep him struck in awe.
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/6.jpg)
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/7.jpg)
Eventually, I tell him to scurry off before the niggas rob and kill his family. A pimp never leaves the job empty handed. 5 copper offa' this ho.
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/8.jpg)
And all 5 coppers go towards a 40 oz malt liquor at Nemtih's favorite bar: the inn in Ironforge. Special deliverin' it from the ghettos of Goldshire, where the infernals and doomguards run rampant.
(http://newby.dont.backstab.us/images/nemtih/9.jpg)
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LOL
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I can only dream of being as awesome as newby :(
(even though I could probably kill him with res sickness)
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Damn nigga I learned you good. Your pimp hat is mother fucking ill.
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Lol @ Newby.
That was great ^^;
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Haha just never do that again... unless you're making a series. :)
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Zero, the gloves on your drood made me drool... Until I saw the mats needed to make them. Holy fuck?
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Zero, the gloves on your drood made me drool... Until I saw the mats needed to make them. Holy fuck?
yeah I know.
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Zero, the gloves on your drood made me drool... Until I saw the mats needed to make them. Holy fuck?
That's not much harder then the frostweave stuff.. minus the primal nether, which I already had four of..
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Lmfao! Newby, that was pretty good. :D
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http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/#character-sheet.xml?r=Crushridge&n=Hel%C3%A5s
;)
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Ewwww, paladin, eeeewwwwww.
I love raiding with them, dunno how anyone can stand playing one, though.
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Ewwww, paladin, eeeewwwwww.
I love raiding with them, dunno how anyone can stand playing one, though.
I love playing one and I love healing. I'm a hybrid class person ;o
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Ewwww, paladin, eeeewwwwww.
I love raiding with them, dunno how anyone can stand playing one, though.
I love playing one and I love healing. I'm a hybrid class person ;o
I like hybrid, too.. Thus why I play a druid. But endgame, paladins become buffbots, cleansebots, and healadins, which IMO, isn't hybrid at all. I've never seen a prot or ret pally end-game that wasn't anything but strictly for PvP.
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Ewwww, paladin, eeeewwwwww.
I love raiding with them, dunno how anyone can stand playing one, though.
I love playing one and I love healing. I'm a hybrid class person ;o
I like hybrid, too.. Thus why I play a druid. But endgame, paladins become buffbots, cleansebots, and healadins, which IMO, isn't hybrid at all. I've never seen a prot or ret pally end-game that wasn't anything but strictly for PvP.
I've seen quite a few end game prot. pallies. Ret. is a useless spec IMO.
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I'm not quite sure how this one happened:
(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3757/wowscrnshot070107220540ub2.jpg)
Note that I am standing still, not falling.
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LOL
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Rwar. In my full plate "heal" gear, self buffed.
(http://www.darkwireguild.com/dave/wow/helas.jpg)
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Sooo I was playing one of my alts today, when I realized I have really weird luck when it comes to the "I'm stuck somewhere weird" kinda bugs.
This series of screen captures is entitled "An adventure in standing too far off the edge of the pier in booty bay":
At Booty Bay, the boat parked at the dock:
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2/wowscrnshot071007020214ra3.jpg)
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1396/wowscrnshot071007020321eq8.jpg)
Surprisingly enough, when the boat started moving I stayed in place!
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/705/wowscrnshot071007020330jn3.jpg)
After a loading screen, I emerge on the other side:
(http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/8321/wowscrnshot071007020409xb0.jpg)
Oh no, I'm under water!
But success is iminent! The boat pushes me, while I am underwater, all the way to the dock and I arrive safely at ratchet:
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6875/wowscrnshot071007021751du6.jpg)
/cheer!
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Haha, that's happened to me quite a few times, Hitmen, but I'm never able to reproduce it when I try. :(
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Haha, that happened to me a few times while I was waterwalking on my Shaman.
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I've never had that happen to me! Lmfao!! That was a pretty funny short story. :P
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Unholyzerg 70 undead priest
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Unholyzerg
Ill upload a screenshot or two of my toon later :)
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Paladin: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Helas (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Helas)
Druid: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Velanis (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Maelstrom&n=Velanis)
And I've got a barrage of alts that I don't feel like linking :(
Oh! Except my shaman, because he is the shit : http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Crushridge&n=Tarch (http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Crushridge&n=Tarch)
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My mage: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Estyon
My Shaman: http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Frostmane&n=Mydira (just turned 70)
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The new and improved Kolgrim, Champion of the Really Long Title (http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Suramar&n=Kolgrim)
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The new and improved Kolgrim, Champion of the Really Long Title (http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Suramar&n=Kolgrim)
No Hand of Adal?! Tisk tisk.
I finally got my +healing enchants on my bracers and gloves so now I'm pushing ~1360 unbuffed.
woot woot
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No Hand of Adal?! Tisk tisk.
I just joined a new guild tonight. Coming soon?
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(http://bombmaking.info/WoWScrnShot_041608_182900.jpg)
(http://bombmaking.info/WoWScrnShot_041608_182950.jpg)
Asok, the world of warcraft intern!
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No Hand of Adal?! Tisk tisk.
I just joined a new guild tonight. Coming soon?
Killed kael tonight, got my hyjal ring. No title yet though. I "skipped ahead" a bit when joining my current guild...I never killed Fathom Lord Karathress to get to talk to the npc to continue the BT quest line :( currently setting something up with another guild to get in the raid after the down him just to talk to the npc.
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who else has the title of the shattered sun? (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Michiy%C3%B4)
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who else has the title of the shattered sun? (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Daggerspine&n=Michiy%C3%B4)
Totally worth it for the +500 rep.. at exalted.. wait..
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wait what? it just costs 1000g.
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The quest (http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=11549) requires exalted but still gives you 500 rep for completing it
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i guess. xfer to daggerspine horde plx
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(http://www.skullsecurity.org/ospap2/picture.php?picture_id=5443)
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Been there forever.
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Why did I look at this thread one time? I must've been drunk.
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Hand of A'dal (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Suramar&n=Kolgrim) ftw
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http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Wildhammer&n=Leadzor
Must hit 60!
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Bah, my account was banned. UGH. what do i do.
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Bah, my account was banned. UGH. what do i do.
You could try going outside. Maybe get a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, if you're into that kind of thing.
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lolol good 1
Btw, it was only a 72 hour suspension.
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rabbit is a cool guy
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rabbit is just butthurt because i ganked him and camped his body for 3 hours
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I'm so confused.
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Bah, my account was banned. UGH. what do i do.
What'd you do?
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Trolling, but anyways, it was only for 72 hours.
I also dinged 40 on my mage. =)
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Trolling, but anyways, it was only for 72 hours.
I also dinged 40 on my mage. =)
67 on my rogue.
:o
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it's like walking into toys r us...
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Balls deep in Ulduar.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w110/Insomnicidal/WoWScrnShot_062609_165640.jpg)
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I just realized that I have 5 level 80s on my account now. That's a lot of wasted time. :(
Granted, 3 of them came after heirloom items, and 1 was a result of RAF, so only 1 was truly 1-80 the "hard" way. I got my druid to level 80 in 2 weeks. The first week was easy, it was 1-58 using the LFG tool (amazing for leveling, btw) and the first parts of Outlands. The second week was finishing up Outlands and mostly Northrend.
The LFG tool is awesome on a tanking character. Starting at level 15 I was getting instant queues for dungeons. A dungeon was usually good for a half a level. So, if I ever got bored or tired of a certain zone's quests I would just queue up a few times and level past that zone. Easy mode for leveling now!
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I just realized that I have 5 level 80s on my account now. That's a lot of wasted time. :(
It's a lot worse when you have an addon that quantifies exactly how much of your life you have wasted:
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9593/alifewhatsthat.png)
Though I guess it's the only game I've ever gotten 6600 hours worth of play time out of :|
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oh god o_o
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I just realized that I have 5 level 80s on my account now. That's a lot of wasted time. :(
It's a lot worse when you have an addon that quantifies exactly how much of your life you have wasted:
(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9593/alifewhatsthat.png)
Though I guess it's the only game I've ever gotten 6600 hours worth of play time out of :|
dude get out and get some sunlight :-/
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99% of that time is before I came to my new school and actually got a life, but that was only last fall so :-X. I've been playing since early 2006.
Considering how much of that time is accumulated when I'm actually afk or tabbed out of the game doing homework etc (I still leave the game open to chat with people I dont have outside contact info for a lot), it's probably not as bad as it looks, but it is still pretty sad.
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I just realized that I have 5 level 80s on my account now. That's a lot of wasted time. :(
Granted, 3 of them came after heirloom items, and 1 was a result of RAF, so only 1 was truly 1-80 the "hard" way. I got my druid to level 80 in 2 weeks. The first week was easy, it was 1-58 using the LFG tool (amazing for leveling, btw) and the first parts of Outlands. The second week was finishing up Outlands and mostly Northrend.
The LFG tool is awesome on a tanking character. Starting at level 15 I was getting instant queues for dungeons. A dungeon was usually good for a half a level. So, if I ever got bored or tired of a certain zone's quests I would just queue up a few times and level past that zone. Easy mode for leveling now!
I have 9 80s :(
WTB life? None of mine were via RAF though :>
Played time inc!
Paladin: 51days 4hrs
Druid: 72days 23hrs
Shaman: 25days 23hrs
Warrior: 14days 4hrs
Priest: 20days 8hrs
Rogue: 31days 10hrs
Hunter: 19days 8hrs
Mage: 12days 4hrs
Deathknight: 16days 2hrs
6326hrs and this is my 2nd account. :>
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263 days. You've spent the better part of a YEAR playing WoW.
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That's not much compared to some of the people in my guild. These people all have 2-3 "main" characters, each with like 270+ days played. Most of them have been hardcore raiders since original WoW.
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That's not much compared to some of the people in my guild. These people all have 2-3 "main" characters, each with like 270+ days played. Most of them have been hardcore raiders since original WoW.
My original account was banned a long time ago.
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That's not much compared to some of the people in my guild. These people all have 2-3 "main" characters, each with like 270+ days played. Most of them have been hardcore raiders since original WoW.
My original account was banned a long time ago.
Glad to know there is at least someone here worse than me!
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Faction changed and started gearing up my Paladin (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Winterhoof&n=Helas), and I'm back to raiding again.