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General Forums => Academic / School => Topic started by: ZeroX on July 12, 2006, 07:47:31 pm

Title: Class debates.
Post by: ZeroX on July 12, 2006, 07:47:31 pm
Is it just me, Or does anybody else feel that they are too smart for their class when it comes to world events and debates about them.

When school was in session my teacher was talking about the negative effects of WWII and how Hitler was a monster for what he did. I spoke up and demand that she re call her statement becuase really he was the best public speaker and dictator to ever live. She countered with this crap

"He killed millions and millions of Jews during WWII and you expect me to say he was a great person"

I just mumble under my breath.

"Just a few million to go"
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Newby on July 12, 2006, 07:56:57 pm
That doesn't mean you're too smart, it means your teacher is a liberal.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 12, 2006, 07:59:22 pm
I spoke up and demand that she re call her statement becuase really he was the best public speaker and dictator to ever live.

Hitler had distinguishable charisma, but I don't think he was necessarily the greatest dictator to ever live.

The one who united the city-states of China in the BC years (I forget his name) would be a great example of someone who out-does Hitler.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Rule on July 12, 2006, 10:52:02 pm
When school was in session my teacher was talking about the negative effects of WWII and how Hitler was a monster for what he did.

Uh, yeah, I think I agree with your teacher: what Hitler did was monstrous.  I don't even see what you're arguing against?! It just seems like you wanted an opportunity to pipe up with your two cents about how Hitler was an amazing dictator.  It really annoyed me when kids in class did things like that out of place -- they didn't really have a question, they just wanted to look special infront of everyone.
 
Also, Hitler was an idiot with a bit of maniacal charisma.  There were a lot of people in the background who shared the same "vision," and helped it get partially realized.  Hitler was intellectually like a little child.  I'm so tired of people coming out with disgustingly uneducated comments like, "Hitler was a genius," or "Hitler was a great leader."

/rant
 >:(
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: iago on July 12, 2006, 10:55:21 pm
It's not easy to convince people to commit genocide, and Hitler did it.  I think that's evidence enough that he was an awesome leader. 


But in any case, I think that most people are smarter than everybody else, which is what causes a lot of arguments/stupid people
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Rule on July 12, 2006, 10:58:54 pm
It's not easy to convince people to commit genocide, and Hitler did it.  I think that's evidence enough that he was an awesome leader. 

He lost, and then shot himself in the head, didn't he?  gg
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 12, 2006, 11:07:27 pm
But in any case, I think that most people are smarter than everybody else, which is what causes a lot of arguments/stupid people

Was that meant to be oxymoronical, or you talking in a self frame of reference?
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Newby on July 12, 2006, 11:14:36 pm
It's not easy to convince people to commit genocide, and Hitler did it.  I think that's evidence enough that he was an awesome leader. 

He lost, and then shot himself in the head, didn't he?  gg


So he was a poor loser... so am I. :P
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: dark_drake on July 13, 2006, 03:00:47 am
"He killed millions and millions of Jews during WWII and you expect me to say he was a great person"
He didn't kill them; he had them killed.  :-\

Also, everyone always focuses on the bad that Hitler did.  What about him jumpstarting our economy?  IIRC, WWII was what got the United States out of its depression.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 03:26:40 am
He didn't kill them; he had them killed.  :-\

Also, everyone always focuses on the bad that Hitler did.  What about him jumpstarting our economy?  IIRC, WWII was what got the United States out of its depression.

People should not recieve praise for indirect effects of their actions if their intents were much, much more sinister than what results from the manifestations of their maniacal plans.

There is no logical reason that we should be saying: "YAY GO HITLER THANKS FOR KILLING THE JEWS SO WE COULD BOOST OUR ECONOMY!"
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Rule on July 13, 2006, 03:27:05 am
"He killed millions and millions of Jews during WWII and you expect me to say he was a great person"
Also, everyone always focuses on the bad that Hitler did.

LOL, I wonder why.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 03:27:48 am
LOL, I wonder why.

That's what I thought. ;)
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Eric on July 13, 2006, 05:24:26 am
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I just mumble under my breath.

You sure showed her!
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Joe on July 13, 2006, 06:18:31 am
Hitler was a great person, true. Great can have two meanings. Ever seen Harry Potter? "I am sure we can expect great things from you. After all, he who can not be named did great things. Terrible, but great."
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: iago on July 13, 2006, 10:49:44 am
But in any case, I think that most people are smarter than everybody else, which is what causes a lot of arguments/stupid people

Was that meant to be oxymoronical, or you talking in a self frame of reference?

It was supposed to be sarcastic.  I was implying that most people THINK they're smarter than everybody else.  It's the same way that 95% of people are above-average drivers. 
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 10:57:58 am
It was supposed to be sarcastic.  I was implying that most people THINK they're smarter than everybody else.  It's the same way that 95% of people are above-average drivers. 

I kind of thought so. :)
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: ZeroX on July 13, 2006, 07:04:20 pm
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I just mumble under my breath.

You sure showed her!

Let the big boys talk. Go moderate stealthbot or something.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 07:08:00 pm
Let the big boys talk. Go moderate stealthbot or something.

That was a very asinine retort. :p
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: dark_drake on July 13, 2006, 07:31:40 pm
People should not recieve praise for indirect effects of their actions if their intents were much, much more sinister than what results from the manifestations of their maniacal plans.

There is no logical reason that we should be saying: "YAY GO HITLER THANKS FOR KILLING THE JEWS SO WE COULD BOOST OUR ECONOMY!"
Good is good.  If he did something good, then it should be recognized as such. However, his evil was on a much grander scale, so that's what he will always be remembered for. :-\
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Rule on July 13, 2006, 07:36:05 pm
People should not recieve praise for indirect effects of their actions if their intents were much, much more sinister than what results from the manifestations of their maniacal plans.

There is no logical reason that we should be saying: "YAY GO HITLER THANKS FOR KILLING THE JEWS SO WE COULD BOOST OUR ECONOMY!"
Good is good.  If he did something good, then it should be recognized as such. However, his evil was on a much grander scale, so that's what he will always be remembered for. :-\

He had absolutely no intention of boosting the American economy.  If you want to think of things this way "good is good," then know that you are indirectly involved in every good and bad thing that happens in this world, since everything is connected and you can't "disconnect" yourself from being an internal observer.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 08:07:06 pm
Good is good.  If he did something good, then it should be recognized as such. However, his evil was on a much grander scale, so that's what he will always be remembered for. :-\

He didn't do something good.  Something he did brought the need to slaughter his evil, which did good.  He had no intention of doing any good.  In other words, he was in no way directly responsible for the economy boost.  He had indirect ties to it, sure, but he should recieve absolutely no praise for completely indirect results of his hideous actions.

He had absolutely no intention of boosting the American economy.  If you want to think of things this way "good is good," then know that you are indirectly involved in every good and bad thing that happens in this world, since everything is connected and you can't "disconnect" yourself from being an internal observer.

This is a very good point.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: dark_drake on July 13, 2006, 08:50:20 pm
He had absolutely no intention of boosting the American economy.  If you want to think of things this way "good is good," then know that you are indirectly involved in every good and bad thing that happens in this world, since everything is connected and you can't "disconnect" yourself from being an internal observer.
It doesn't matter if it was his intention or not, good came about, unless you considered the depression a good thing.  Also, I realize I'm a part of this world, but I don't have any control over other people and their actions. 
He didn't do something good.  Something he did brought the need to slaughter his evil, which did good.  He had no intention of doing any good.  In other words, he was in no way directly responsible for the economy boost.  He had indirect ties to it, sure, but he should recieve absolutely no praise for completely indirect results of his hideous actions.
He caused America to get back on its feet again. Whether it was his intention or not, it happened.  I am not praising him, merely acknowledging that because of him, America once again showed the world that we were number one.

I personally think that Hitler was a monster; however, we need to understand that without him, many social and economic problems would have continued, and the world might be worse off than it is now. I'm not advocating that we start Hitler Day to celebrate his contributions as a philanthropist.  :-\
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 08:59:38 pm
It doesn't matter if it was his intention or not, good came about, unless you considered the depression a good thing.  Also, I realize I'm a part of this world, but I don't have any control over other people and their actions. 

No, but whether you realize it or not, every action you make has unforeseen effects.  Hitler should recieve no attention for something he had absolutely no control over.

He caused America to get back on its feet again. Whether it was his intention or not, it happened.  I am not praising him, merely acknowledging that because of him, America once again showed the world that we were number one.

No, he didn't.  He gave reason for jobs so people could kill him.  He did not have any direct cause in America's rise.

I personally think that Hitler was a monster; however, we need to understand that without him, many social and economic problems would have continued, and the world might be worse off than it is now. I'm not advocating that we start Hitler Day to celebrate his contributions as a philanthropist.  :-\

That can not be said without a shadow of doubt.  How do you know the great depression wouldn't have suddenly lifted the next day, even if Hitler wouldn't have decided to start his evil crusade.

Germany's economy suffered greatly because of Hilter's actions.  He's much more responsible for that than he is for the boost in economy in the US.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: dark_drake on July 13, 2006, 09:13:08 pm
No, he didn't.  He gave reason for jobs so people could kill him.  He did not have any direct cause in America's rise.
If he didn't give the reason, there would have been no jobs for people. :(

Germany's economy suffered greatly because of Hilter's actions.  He's much more responsible for that than he is for the boost in economy in the US.
Our massive war spending because of WWII stimulated our economy in ways that I don't think anything else could have.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Sidoh on July 13, 2006, 09:25:56 pm
If he didn't give the reason, there would have been no jobs for people. :(

This is true, but he should recieve absolutely no praise or recognition for the indirect effects of his sinister intentions.

Our massive war spending because of WWII stimulated our economy in ways that I don't think anything else could have.

You don't seem to be replying to my point.  I said he did terrible things to the German economy.  It's true that the two results (one of which he had no control over to begin with...) can be separately examined, but it's still completely asinine to recognize or thank him for any sort of positive indirect result of his maniacal plans.  It's like thanking Hitler because he cleared room for landscaping and farming purposes by killing the Jews that inhabited it.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: Newby on July 13, 2006, 11:21:32 pm
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I just mumble under my breath.

You sure showed her!

Let the big boys talk. Go moderate stealthbot or something.

Lmfao.
Title: Re: Class debates.
Post by: sushi on August 12, 2006, 07:00:44 pm
If it wasn't for WWII we wouldn't have the Nuke's, we wouldn't be as strong, we wouldn't have George Bush (jk,jk,jk) and we wouldn't have the right to say all Germans are Nazis