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Title: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Newby on October 24, 2006, 11:58:17 pm
I need help.

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If f(x1) + f(x2) = f(x1 + x2), for all real numbers x1 and x2, which of the following could define it?

A. f(x) = x + 1
B. f(x) = 2x
C. f(x) = 1 / x
D. f(x) = ex
E. f(x) = x2

The answer is B. But how would I prove that? I tried plugging in infinite for x1 and x2, and got f(infinite + infinite) which = f(2*infinite), which could be f(2x); is that right? Or are my math skills shit? :p

EDIT -- After looking over my review packet, I realized plugging in random numbers was not this one; it was some limit that I was not sure about.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 25, 2006, 12:04:48 am
(http://latex.sidoh.org/?render64=JCQkZih4KT0yeFxcXFwNCmYoeF8xK3hfMik9Mih4XzEreF8yKT0yeF8xKzJ4XzI9Zih4XzEpK2YoeF8yKSQkJA==)
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Chavo on October 25, 2006, 09:42:32 am
f(infinite + infinite) which = f(2*infinite), which could be f(2x);
2*infinity is just infinity
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 25, 2006, 11:11:06 am
You guys both suck at spelling infinity.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Chavo on October 25, 2006, 12:35:14 pm
who what where?  :-*
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 25, 2006, 12:35:42 pm
who what where?  :-*

lol.  cheating bastard.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Newby on October 25, 2006, 09:05:39 pm
f(infinite + infinite) which = f(2*infinite), which could be f(2x);
2*infinity is just infinity

Yeah. Today I realized it was dumb.

And it turns out I had to pick through the answers and try each one. so eh! :)
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 25, 2006, 09:18:30 pm
Not to mention (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D), (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=e^{\infty}) and (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=\infty^{2}) are undefined. ;)
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: dark_drake on October 25, 2006, 11:57:20 pm
Not to mention (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D). . . undefined.
Isn't it 0? I only ask because that's what we do in calculus.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Chavo on October 26, 2006, 12:11:26 am
Not to mention (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D). . . undefined.
Isn't it 0? I only ask because that's what we do in calculus.
Pretty sure its undefined.  Back when I took calc2, we always used 'no solution' as the answer to any problem that winded up with a 1/infinity in it.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: dark_drake on October 26, 2006, 12:50:39 am
Not to mention (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D). . . undefined.
Isn't it 0? I only ask because that's what we do in calculus.
Pretty sure its undefined.  Back when I took calc2, we always used 'no solution' as the answer to any problem that winded up with a 1/infinity in it.
According to wikipedia, (http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/8/f/78f15f7290a30f9d30972f90193209e2.png).
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Rule on October 26, 2006, 01:08:52 am
?

So if you were asked what the limit of a/x is, as x --> infinity, you would write 'undefined'?  That's horrible, and wrong: your teacher should be disciplined :P. A constant over infinity is definitely zero, and even in rigorous mathematics we sometimes define 0 * infinity = 0 (and this is certainly less obvious).
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Chavo on October 26, 2006, 01:12:11 am
I must be thinking of something else.  I'm not a math nerd like certain other individuals around these parts :P
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 02:08:22 am
?

So if you were asked what the limit of a/x is, as x --> infinity, you would write 'undefined'?  That's horrible, and wrong: your teacher should be disciplined :P. A constant over infinity is definitely zero, and even in rigorous mathematics we sometimes define 0 * infinity = 0 (and this is certainly less obvious).

No, I would write 0.  Does (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D) imply that the denominator is some arbitrary variable approaching infinity, then?
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Rule on October 26, 2006, 02:28:21 am
?

So if you were asked what the limit of a/x is, as x --> infinity, you would write 'undefined'?  That's horrible, and wrong: your teacher should be disciplined :P. A constant over infinity is definitely zero, and even in rigorous mathematics we sometimes define 0 * infinity = 0 (and this is certainly less obvious).

No, I would write 0.  Does (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D) imply that the denominator is some arbitrary variable approaching infinity, then?

It depends.  Most people who write 1/infinity mean more precisely lim y--> infinity 1/y, so the answer is "yes" in most cases.  However, I think saying "yes" for all cases would be over-restrictive, unless we add all sorts of conditions about the "rate" of approaching infinity, etc.  Regardless of whether you think of infinity as some 'closed entity' (for lack of a better term) or not, (and some would argue that this is a bad interpretation, although I think it does have some merit), we can see that in this particular case 1/'infinity' and lim x--> infinity 1/x are equivalent, as both equal zero.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 02:44:15 am
It depends.  Most people who write 1/infinity mean more precisely lim y--> infinity 1/y, so the answer is "yes" in most cases.  However, I think saying "yes" for all cases would be over-restrictive, unless we add all sorts of conditions about the "rate" of approaching infinity, etc.  Regardless of whether you think of infinity as some 'closed entity' (for lack of a better term) or not, (and some would argue that this is a bad interpretation, although I think it does have some merit), we can see that in this particular case 1/'infinity' and lim x--> infinity 1/x are equivalent, as both equal zero.

Yeah, that's sort of what I would have guessed.

In any case, can you elaborate on the "closed entity" or does it require a heavy background in mathematics that I don't have (yet)?  It sounds like an interesting concept.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Newby on October 26, 2006, 09:36:47 am
Not to mention (http://latex.sidoh.org/?render=%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7B%5Cinfty%7D). . . undefined.
Isn't it 0? I only ask because that's what we do in calculus.

Indeed.
Title: Re: [MATH] Calculus Review Packet
Post by: Sidoh on October 26, 2006, 11:12:38 am
Indeed.

Pff.  Just because I don't memorize little tables of data. :P