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Also I had a baby.

Did it hurt?

/congratulations

sounds like yall are busy busy busy

The server it's running on has been sketchy lately. I've had 3 or 4 periods of downtime in the last month, I can usually get it back up first thing in the morning (Pacific time), but weekends are harder.

pacific time........pfft. must be nice waking up halfway through everyone else's day

well, I'm now VP of the local Chamber of Commerce.

my ascent to the upper echelon of Deming, NM politics will be swift. Our state sen retires soon (likely, cause he is old as dirt). I need to meet with him some day and just chill. For a (D), he makes a lot of D.C. (R)s looks like hippie communist bitches. That said, he has the respect to command reasonableness instead caving to teacher unions and oil companies. I'm kind of considering how I want to run in local elections. I'm an R, but I dont agree with all the platform. I'd be a D, but I dont agree with all the platform. Poltics...pfft.

I'm in med school (about to start second semester), and recently got engaged. On the negative, Monday's high is 15 below 0, Fahrenheit.

I have friends that went through that fun storm. Not for me. That said, today's high was 65 in my town. I'm not so fond of winter ending/spring beginning before the middle of January.

Living in the Bay, working at the Google.

how is that techoligarchy life? do the regular folks hate you?

I keep reading articles in NYT, LATimes, CNN, etc that all explain how tech employees are ruining everything for the normal folks.

Drug cartel leaders - much like the booze running from organized crime during the 1920s - are a product of prohibition. Prohibition creates insane demand, and look where that's gotten us.

As a first step, legalization and treatment instead of prohibition and punishment needs to be explored.

Agreed. And it works: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/

Well, not legalization, but decriminalizaion. That's what we need to do.

There will be plenty of people like myself, who have never used illegal drugs, and probably wouldn't use them even if they're legalized.  Although, I can imagine that if marijuana becomes legalized nationally and becomes taxed and regulated like alcohol, it will just become just like alcohol in terms of use, and therefore would see an overall increase in use.

re weed, that isnt an inherently bad thing. also, this: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/teens-pot-easier-to-buy-than-beer/

Basically, it's easier for kids to get pot than it is to get booze.

back to the OP: is it death or solitary or drugs? those seems to be the three options (and, again, drugs are expensive).

those people obviously cant be allowed to interact with people freely, so we must restraint them in some way. what way is "humane" enough?

death costs more than anything else, even life terms

if you want to bring cost into it, then death is off the table for being too expensive, leaving solitary or drugs.  If standard psychological treatment doesn't work, seems logical to offer the choice of psychiatric treatments before locking them up.

death sentences are only more expensive because of the process to go from charged with a crime to dead bad guy. that can be fixed.

Yeah. It's not been super pleasant. It needed to happen, though.

sucks, but also +1. same happened to me in May. day after graduation we called it quits (she went to denver and I can back to New Mexico).





re op: I'm doing lawyer shit in New Mexico

back to the OP: is it death or solitary or drugs? those seems to be the three options (and, again, drugs are expensive).

those people obviously cant be allowed to interact with people freely, so we must restraint them in some way. what way is "humane" enough?

My thoughts are re prisoners that are beyond treatment. I'm talking about people that kill because that's what gets the job done (e.g., Mexican drug cartel folks). Otherwise, I, like Sidoh, generally agree that prison/jail should be rehabilitative (though it should also be punishment).

I've never heard of the pity v. punish idea before. Interesting. I suppose I agree with it WRT people that are have diagnosable conditions. I disagree with in WRT people like cartel leaders that know right v. wrong, but know that death = money. Even so, what do we do with the sane and insane serial killers other than solitary or death? There is no rehab. We could just give them enough drugs to knock them out for the rest of their lives, but that's expensive (and the inevitable argument is "what kind of life is that!?")

So, again, what is the alt to death/solitary for people those people that deserve such treatment?

watched video. seen video before.

I'll agree that it makes more sense to have majority (so an actual majority wins) elections as opposed to a plurality system. runoffs make sense to me.

A quick google didnt show me what sorts of elections were plurality or majority based.

Quick Google suggestions Geneva Conventions only apply to conflict. Like war shit. It doesn't seem to apply to domestic crimes.

Even so, if not solitary, we need a legit alternative. What is that alternative? Death? I'm cool with that, but those that oppose solitary (generally seem to) oppose the death penalty.

So, if we can't kill these people and we can't prevent them from interacting with people, what do we do? What is the practical alternative.

fptp = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting ?

I'll check video when not on device that sucks with video

The two major parties are only the major parties because people buy into the hype. Further, even within the two party system, people that don't get involved are the problem. Want a better R/D candidate? Get into the primaries. Want better primary candidates? Get involved with local party groups that offer the candidates.

[Discuss why NHC is bad/good. If bad, what do we replace it with? Obviously, we have to have an alternative before simply putting these people back in gen pop.]

I'm watching The Interrupters and they were talking about Ameena Matthews who is daughter of Jeff Fort, who is apparently some epic Chicago gangster (Nixon invited him to his inauguration, apparently.....thats epic)---rivaling Al Capone for noteworthiness in re being a gang leader.

Anyway, Fort is apparently in ADX w/"no human contact" (NHC) orders. While googling all this, I found that UDenver's law school has a clinic that is fighting this intense solitary conditions as "cruel and unusual."

My thoughts: Why? The people w/NHC orders are proven time and time again to be some of the most dangerous people alive. We apparently can't kill these people (for whatever reason), so locking them up and almost literally throwing away the key is all that can be done to protect society. Even prisoners and correction officers deserve protection.


Discuss why NHC is bad/good. If bad, what do we replace it with? Obviously, we have to have an alternative before simply putting these people back in gen pop.