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Sidoh

Quote from: Camel on August 20, 2008, 02:37:40 PM
How so? You're allowing someone to die when you have the chance to save them; same circumstances.

The circumstances are completely different.  You're making the choice to end whatever is left of their life (maybe it's even fair to say they aren't alive...) because you think it's what is best for them or what they would have wanted.

It would depend on the wishes of the person who is now a vegetable.  Many people will ask their loved ones to not let them live on in that state.  Especially in this case, I don't think it's immoral at all.

Quote from: Camel on August 20, 2008, 02:37:40 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on August 20, 2008, 02:31:30 PM
I don't agree with your definition.  Neither does Merriam-Webster.
Seriously?

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Main Entry:
    1mor·al Listen to the pronunciation of 1moral
Pronunciation:
    \ˈmȯr-əl, ˈmär-\
Function:
    adjective
Etymology:
    Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin moralis, from mor-, mos custom
Date:
    14th century

1 a: of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments> b: expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem> c: conforming to a standard of right behavior d: sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation> e: capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>2: probable though not proved : virtual <a moral certainty>3: perceptual or psychological rather than tangible or practical in nature or effect <a moral victory> <moral support>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moral

It's more appropriate to look at the entry for the noun.

Quotea doctrine or system of moral conduct bplural : particular moral principles or rules of conduct
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/morality

Morality is passive.  It seems outrageous to think it only applies to actions.  It's a behavioral contract.  Behavior is the way someone acts or reacts in a situation.  A reaction can be to do nothing.

Quote from: iago on August 20, 2008, 02:39:08 PM
"behaviour" doesn't imply action or inaction. Inaction is still a type of behaviour.

Exactly.

Quote from: Camel on August 20, 2008, 02:41:22 PM
Quote from: iago on August 20, 2008, 02:39:08 PM
"behaviour" doesn't imply action or inaction. Inaction is still a type of behaviour.

So what? There is an worse extreme beyond inaction, which centers the inaction on the moral scale.

I disagree.  The morality of a reaction cannot be measured unless the circumstances are revealed.

George sees a car drive by the street across from his house.  He reacts by doing nothing.
Immoral?  Of course not.

In the other circumstances, doing nothing is immoral (provided that the perceptions of right/wrong are roughly the same).

Camel

Okay, I can agree at a fundamental level with everything you've said there, but I don't think it discounts what I've said per se. I still don't think inaction can be inherently wrong, and I'll ask you to focus on that statement to avoid this argument becoming cyclical.

<Camel> i said what what
<Blaze> in the butt
<Camel> you want to do it in my butt?
<Blaze> in my butt
<Camel> let's do it in the butt
<Blaze> Okay!

Sidoh

Quote from: Camel on August 20, 2008, 03:07:25 PM
Okay, I can agree at a fundamental level with everything you've said there, but I don't think it discounts what I've said per se. I still don't think inaction can be inherently wrong, and I'll ask you to focus on that statement to avoid this argument becoming cyclical.

No one has said inaction can be inherently wrong.  That would be stupid.  As I said previously:

Quote from: Sidoh on August 20, 2008, 02:56:30 PM
The morality of a reaction cannot be measured unless the circumstances are revealed.

Camel

Okay then, I guess there's nothing left to discuss?

<Camel> i said what what
<Blaze> in the butt
<Camel> you want to do it in my butt?
<Blaze> in my butt
<Camel> let's do it in the butt
<Blaze> Okay!

Sidoh

Quote from: Camel on August 20, 2008, 03:20:00 PM
Okay then, I guess there's nothing left to discuss?

How about that weather?

iago

This makes me think of the people living by Auschwitz who assumed that they were just living next to an especially screamy pie factory.

Camel


<Camel> i said what what
<Blaze> in the butt
<Camel> you want to do it in my butt?
<Blaze> in my butt
<Camel> let's do it in the butt
<Blaze> Okay!