FINA-FUCKING-LLY!!!

[Sidoh]

That doesn't mean they don't suck.  :)

You've obviously never seen a well geared Retribution Paladin. :P

[Blaze]

That doesn't mean they don't suck.  :)

You've obviously never seen a well geared Retribution Paladin. :P

That doesn't mean they don't suck.  :)

I hold my opinion just to piss off Metal, thanks.

[Joe]

Sidoh, I'll kick your ass, unless you stunlock me, in which case I'll get pissed and never duel you again. I generally don't duel rogues because they think that stunlocking is fair, where they could deal 1dps and still beat you. That's just bullshit. No class should have stunlock.

[Sidoh]

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Sidoh, I'll kick your ass, unless you stunlock me, in which case I'll get pissed and never duel you again. I generally don't duel rogues because they think that stunlocking is fair, where they could deal 1dps and still beat you. That's just bullshit. No class should have stunlock.

You clearly suck at dueling.

If you don't want me to use stunlock, I don't want you to use fear or death coil.  Don't be an idiot.

[TeHFoOoL]

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Sidoh, I'll kick your ass, unless you stunlock me, in which case I'll get pissed and never duel you again. I generally don't duel rogues because they think that stunlocking is fair, where they could deal 1dps and still beat you. That's just bullshit. No class should have stunlock.

Yeah and I'll bring my priest in without shadowform or heals.

[Screenor]

Vanish finally removes Vanish?

Hunters Mark/Mind Vision*

Backstab and Sinister Strike are the main damage abilities.  They're obviously determined by your weapon strength, so I don't understand why you're bitching.

Yes, but we have a finisher for a reason, now lets say you're fighting a warrior with 6k armor, he's in full tier 3, you're in full tier 3.
Your SS' hit for about 300 crit, 70 non-crit. All you can really do is kite the warrior around and restealth when possible. If he does get to hit you, chances are it'll be a three shot. You're not going to Rupture because it's a terrible finisher, and is a dot so it just breaks your gouge. Eviscerate is really the only finisher you'll use pvp, and if I remember correctly, that's what your rogue is for, however your ever so amazing Eviscerate and its static damage is going to maybe crit for 800. Which is not a lot.

I'm not saying rogues are unplayable, I can kill people, but we more then any other class need a revamp.

[Sidoh]

Yes, but we have a finisher for a reason, now lets say you're fighting a warrior with 6k armor, he's in full tier 3, you're in full tier 3.
Your SS' hit for about 300 crit, 70 non-crit. All you can really do is kite the warrior around and restealth when possible. If he does get to hit you, chances are it'll be a three shot. You're not going to Rupture because it's a terrible finisher, and is a dot so it just breaks your gouge. Eviscerate is really the only finisher you'll use pvp, and if I remember correctly, that's what your rogue is for, however your ever so amazing Eviscerate and its static damage is going to maybe crit for 800. Which is not a lot.

When I'm fighting a Warrior, I always throw expose armor on him (which is, by the way, an extremely viable pvp finishing move...), sinister strike, kidney shot, sinister strike, maybe eviscerate, maybe slice & dice, depending on the situation.  If the only finishing move you use in pvp is eviscerate, you're doing something wrong. :p

I'm not saying rogues are unplayable, I can kill people, but we more then any other class need a revamp.

*shrug* probably, but you cry about it too much, in my opinion. :P

[Screenor]

Yes, but we have a finisher for a reason, now lets say you're fighting a warrior with 6k armor, he's in full tier 3, you're in full tier 3.
Your SS' hit for about 300 crit, 70 non-crit. All you can really do is kite the warrior around and restealth when possible. If he does get to hit you, chances are it'll be a three shot. You're not going to Rupture because it's a terrible finisher, and is a dot so it just breaks your gouge. Eviscerate is really the only finisher you'll use pvp, and if I remember correctly, that's what your rogue is for, however your ever so amazing Eviscerate and its static damage is going to maybe crit for 800. Which is not a lot.

When I'm fighting a Warrior, I always throw expose armor on him (which is, by the way, an extremely viable pvp finishing move...), sinister strike, kidney shot, sinister strike, maybe eviscerate, maybe slice & dice, depending on the situation.  If the only finishing move you use in pvp is eviscerate, you're doing something wrong. :p

I'm not saying rogues are unplayable, I can kill people, but we more then any other class need a revamp.

*shrug* probably, but you cry about it too much, in my opinion. :P

See, that's where being swords is a lot better, you can dish out a lot more CP's then me a lot faster. Yes, I do complain a lot about it, but, a lot of rogues do. I'm not sure how progressive your server is gear/skill wise, but the people who pvp here are amazingly skilled, and most have had past GM/HWL's. Although, now that I've gotten my Perdition's Blade, and I'm fairly sure people are going to run the other direction when they see me stealth 30 yards ahead.