Blizzard C# Job :o

[MyndFyre]

Eh...that really depends on your definition of public (not that they would have any means of knowing the select groups you have opened it to).  I haven't read the WoW TOS in some time, I just thought I remembered you mentioning something about violating it.  Meh.

The only groups I've opened it to would be x86 (privately) and one person from my old Bnet clan, AoA.  That's pretty much not public.

It also has to do with what you would define "anti-circumvention technology."  While it's clear I'm not distributing content from their game that would violate copyright law, what's unclear is whether I'm copying their intellectual property.  The anti-circumvention technology that I am circumventing isn't really guarding their intellectual property, though - it's not really even guarding anything.  It's really just obfuscation - they encrypt the protocol headers to make it more difficult to understand the messages.

The WoW TOS clearly states that protocol emulation is not allowed, but they can't criminally charge me for breaking their TOS.  My liability is limited to the civil complaints listed in the EULA/TOS, which include specifically their right to terminate.

*shrug*

x86] link=topic=8197.msg103233#msg103233 date=1166478949]
Why not mention JinxBot? It's not like you use the Bot for anything malicious. You simply did it to extend your knowledge on the protocol. I think it'd impress them.

I've never seen Blizzard be anything but nazis for something like that.

[iago]

x86] link=topic=8197.msg103231#msg103231 date=1166477372]

x86] link=topic=8197.msg103229#msg103229 date=1166476731]
Sure your country would.  They'd take someone who was defecting in a time of war, for example.

No, you wouldn't get a security job in government unless you're born in Canada.  Believe me, I've worked for the provincial security department and have interviewed for the federal one.  The background checks are very extensive. 

Oh I didn't see your "(for security)" aside at first.

Well, they don't generally hire ex-hackers for floor-mopping.  Well actually, they might.  Whatever :P

x86] link=topic=8197.msg103236#msg103236 date=1166479415]
I've never seen Blizzard be anything but nazis for something like that.

Speaking of that, I bet that anybody who interviewed you would have no idea what you're talking about.  And if it's webby stuff, people you work with might not even know. 

[Chavo]

Probably not, but any interviewer is going to remember and be more impressed with a candidate who has real "Blizzard" experience under their belt (TOS violating experience withstanding). 

It sounds like you answered your own question in your response to me Myndy.

[rabbit]

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly.  You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

[Furious]

The worst that can happen is he would get prosecuted.  Just don't mention JinxBot if you really want the job. 

If they ask you something specific like, "Have you ever written a program that violates the TOS of a Blizzard Application?" then you won't get the job without lying, but not answering the question doesn't give them any evidence to press charges/investigate.  Aren't you in pre-law or something? You should know this stuff!

Emphasis on the "he", that's why I responded like he was referring to my statement.  I didn't notice all of the "you"s after it though.  :P

[disco]

x86] link=topic=8197.msg103201#msg103201 date=1166464299]
http://www.blizzard.com/jobopp/core-technology-tools-programmer.shtml

I was thinking that I could show some really great skills with it, especially since they're looking for C# people.

Then it occurred to me...

Blizzard: "What are some of your projects?"
Me: "Oh, well I built that Battle.net client... then, MBNCSUtil... and then there's of course JinxBot."
Blizzard: "What's MBNCSUtil and JinxBot?"
Me: "Well, MBNCSUtil is a C# utility library that provides assistance with connecting to Battle.net by performing the authentication logic done by the official clients."
Blizzard: "And JinxBot?"
Me: "Uhh.....  it's a multi-service client chat application."
Blizzard: "What kinds of clients?"
Me: "Right now?  Battle.net..... WoW."
Blizzard: "WoW?"
Me: "Uhh....  " *hides and runs in the corner*

What do you guys think?

you giev WoW hax!? ^^

[Blaze]

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly.  You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

Yeah, breaking the EULA of their game in a non-game impacting way wouldn't hurt your chances.

Go MyndFyre, go!

[rabbit]

Ah...yes.  I read the EULA, and they specifically state no emulating the protocol.  O well.

[Blaze]

You should defiantly do it, Rob!   :)

[Joe]

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly.  You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

He's making a connection to Battle.net (or WoW)'s private binary interface. It says explicitly in the ToS that you may not do that.

[rabbit]

Ah...yes.  I read the EULA, and they specifically state no emulating the protocol.  O well.

[nslay]

I know this is an old post, but in my scarce conversations with Yoni, I mentioned this post to him:

(17:19:29) Nate: Myndfyre says he wants to apply for Blizzard
(17:19:32) Nate: and he asked on x86
(17:19:39) Nate: if he should tell Blizzard he hacked their shit
(17:19:41) Nate: in the interview :)
(17:20:03) Nate: I think I would hint it
(17:20:11) Nate: so they would get the idea I'm very familiar with their shit
(17:20:13) Nate: wouldn't you?
(17:20:33) Yoni: YES.
(17:20:37) Yoni: not hint
(17:20:38) Yoni: say
(17:20:58) Yoni: but not be a kiddie about it
(17:21:11) Yoni: speak professionally about it and he's sure to impress them
(17:22:15) Nate: yeah
(17:22:22) Nate: but he's worry about the TOS and EULA
(17:22:41) Yoni: then he needs to be less worried
(17:22:47) Nate: post that on x86
(17:22:54) Nate: x86 forum is much less boobyish than vL forum anyways
(17:22:55) Yoni: i don't want to
(17:23:06) Nate: fine :(
(17:23:09) Nate: can I quote you?
(17:23:14) Yoni: yes

[Joe]

Also you're not making profit off of it, nor are you distributing it publicly.  You're not technically breaking any of their rules.

Yeah, breaking the EULA of their game in a non-game impacting way wouldn't hurt your chances.

Go MyndFyre, go!

I think that Battle.net bots made a big impact, especially Diablo II ingame bots (when I was soloing, I'd password my game just so the bots didn't join).