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Canada becomes one of the top 3 copyright violators in the world!

Started by MyndFyre, February 13, 2008, 11:33:45 AM

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Sidoh

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 13, 2008, 11:33:19 PM
So .... 18.9% of $.21 per CD = $.03969 per copied disk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy#Canada

QuoteA new artist on a major or a large indie label would typically receive net proceeds of about $1.20 per CD sale, whereas a star performer might get about double that
http://www.forbes.com/media/2007/06/07/music-warner-atlantic-biz-media_cx_lh_0608indie.html


$.04 vs. $1.20-$2.40, hmm.  $.04 doesn't seem to make up for the loss in the least bit.

You're forgetting to include the money from people who buy the media and use it for legitimate things.

CrAz3D

People that buy the real disk?  We're not talking about them.  Those people pay the $1.20/disk to the artist.

Blaze

How many CD-Rs in my house do not contain (pirated) music?  All of them.  How many CD-Rs do I have in my house?  Probably a couple hundred unused, a couple hundred more used for HD backups and other things.  I've probably gone through several hundreds over the years.  But wait!  $ 0.04 of each cd gave them money!  So.. they didn't lose ANYTHING and I still paid them!?  Oh my!  That would surely.. I don't know... make up for some sort of loss that some other caused them?

Edit:  Damn you, Sidoh!  :)
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

Sidoh

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:00:08 AM
People that buy the real disk?  We're not talking about them.  Those people pay the $1.20/disk to the artist.

No, the people who buy CD-Rs and use them, for example, to back up their data.  They still pay the levy for that disk.

CrAz3D

For every 40 CDs bought, one album is paid for (assuming it's a new artist on a major label).

Who really uses CDs anymore, though?  Most blank media is the computer's hard drive or some mp3 player. 

Sidoh

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:05:40 AM
For every 40 CDs bought, one album is paid for (assuming it's a new artist on a major label).

Who really uses CDs anymore, though?  Most blank media is the computer's hard drive or some mp3 player. 

My purpose was to invalidate your previous argument.

I buy a pack of CD-Rs every few months.

CrAz3D

I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

Newby

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:11:30 AM
I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.


I've burned like 5-10 DVD/CDs in the last... couple of days.
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Quote from: CrAz3D on June 30, 2008, 10:38:22 AM
I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.

That analogy doesn't even make sense.  Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT. 

Blaze

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:11:30 AM
I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.


You don't live in Canada, so it doesn't matter either way.  :)

I buy CD-R/DVD-R's every few months.
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

Sidoh

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:11:30 AM
I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

Holy crap, a counter example.  That's definitely statistically significant.

MyndFyre

Quote from: Sidoh on February 14, 2008, 12:17:00 AM
Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:11:30 AM
I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

Holy crap, a counter example.  That's definitely statistically significant.

About as much as your counter-counter example.  :o
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CrAz3D

I spose we should really survey downloaders ::), but I'd figure that many people just transfer to the mp3 player and skip the whole CD thing and that these average users don't burn lots of stuff onto CDs.

Sidoh

Quote from: MyndFyre on February 14, 2008, 12:19:35 AM
About as much as your counter-counter example.  :o

Haha, I didn't mean for that to be any sort of evidence, though it certainly could be interpreted that way.

Quote from: CrAz3D on February 14, 2008, 12:20:03 AM
I spose we should really survey downloaders ::), but I'd figure that many people just transfer to the mp3 player and skip the whole CD thing and that these average users don't burn lots of stuff onto CDs.

I thought iago said the levy applied to hard drives too?  I'd be pretty silly to not include MP3 players in the list.

Blaze

Quote from: Sidoh on February 14, 2008, 12:25:25 AM
I thought iago said the levy applied to hard drives too?  I'd be pretty silly to not include MP3 players in the list.

Well, they tried to get Hard-Drives / Memory cards for things levied.. but they were rejected and what did get approved eventually got appealed successfully.  Oops?  :)
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

CrAz3D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy#Canada

QuoteOn 2008-01-11, The Federal Court of Appeal rejected the Copyright Board of Canada's proposed new levy on MP3 players, stating that the board erred in law, ruling that they do not have the regulatory authority to impose such levies.


They used to levy mp3 players, but not anymore and upon reintroduction it was challenged and, apparently, shot down.