Canada becomes one of the top 3 copyright violators in the world!

[Sidoh]

So .... 18.9% of $.21 per CD = $.03969 per copied disk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy#Canada

A new artist on a major or a large indie label would typically receive net proceeds of about $1.20 per CD sale, whereas a star performer might get about double that

http://www.forbes.com/media/2007/06/07/music-warner-atlantic-biz-media_cx_lh_0608indie.html


$.04 vs. $1.20-$2.40, hmm.  $.04 doesn't seem to make up for the loss in the least bit.

You're forgetting to include the money from people who buy the media and use it for legitimate things.

[CrAz3D]

People that buy the real disk?  We're not talking about them.  Those people pay the $1.20/disk to the artist.

[Blaze]

How many CD-Rs in my house do not contain (pirated) music?  All of them.  How many CD-Rs do I have in my house?  Probably a couple hundred unused, a couple hundred more used for HD backups and other things.  I've probably gone through several hundreds over the years.  But wait!  $ 0.04 of each cd gave them money!  So.. they didn't lose ANYTHING and I still paid them!?  Oh my!  That would surely.. I don't know... make up for some sort of loss that some other caused them?

Edit:  Damn you, Sidoh! 

[Sidoh]

People that buy the real disk?  We're not talking about them.  Those people pay the $1.20/disk to the artist.

No, the people who buy CD-Rs and use them, for example, to back up their data.  They still pay the levy for that disk.

[CrAz3D]

For every 40 CDs bought, one album is paid for (assuming it's a new artist on a major label).

Who really uses CDs anymore, though?  Most blank media is the computer's hard drive or some mp3 player. 

[Sidoh]

For every 40 CDs bought, one album is paid for (assuming it's a new artist on a major label).

Who really uses CDs anymore, though?  Most blank media is the computer's hard drive or some mp3 player. 

My purpose was to invalidate your previous argument.

I buy a pack of CD-Rs every few months.

[CrAz3D]

I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

[Newby]

I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

I've burned like 5-10 DVD/CDs in the last... couple of days.

[Blaze]

I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

You don't live in Canada, so it doesn't matter either way. 

I buy CD-R/DVD-R's every few months.

[Sidoh]

I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

Holy crap, a counter example.  That's definitely statistically significant.

[MyndFyre]

I haven't bought a pack of CDs in ... I don't know, way over a year though.

Holy crap, a counter example.  That's definitely statistically significant.

About as much as your counter-counter example. 

[CrAz3D]

I spose we should really survey downloaders , but I'd figure that many people just transfer to the mp3 player and skip the whole CD thing and that these average users don't burn lots of stuff onto CDs.

[Sidoh]

About as much as your counter-counter example. 

Haha, I didn't mean for that to be any sort of evidence, though it certainly could be interpreted that way.

I spose we should really survey downloaders , but I'd figure that many people just transfer to the mp3 player and skip the whole CD thing and that these average users don't burn lots of stuff onto CDs.

I thought iago said the levy applied to hard drives too?  I'd be pretty silly to not include MP3 players in the list.

[Blaze]

I thought iago said the levy applied to hard drives too?  I'd be pretty silly to not include MP3 players in the list.

Well, they tried to get Hard-Drives / Memory cards for things levied.. but they were rejected and what did get approved eventually got appealed successfully.  Oops? 

[CrAz3D]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy#Canada

On 2008-01-11, The Federal Court of Appeal rejected the Copyright Board of Canada's proposed new levy on MP3 players, stating that the board erred in law, ruling that they do not have the regulatory authority to impose such levies.

They used to levy mp3 players, but not anymore and upon reintroduction it was challenged and, apparently, shot down.