Google leaves China

[Ender]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8583006.stm

I think this is great! I have held China's government in much disdain for a long time now, since I have long viewed it to be terribly corrupt. They are constantly bribing each other to get kids into the best schools and colleges, to get graduates in the best jobs. They censor their nation. Families are afraid to speak out against politicians even in the safety of their own homes.

China sucks. They're fucked up and there is tyranny and corruption. It's great that Google is leaving China.

[Joe]

Oh, cry more. The keyboard you're using was probably made there. :P

[Ender]

Oh, cry more. The keyboard you're using was probably made there. :P

What's your point? If my Macbook was made there, so what? That was a completely inane comment.

I just simply can't believe how many people overlook the fact that a world leader is censoring its internet.

[rabbit]

Nobody's overlooking it...it's just that when your army is half the worlds population, there's not much any can do about it.

[deadly7]

What's your point? If my Macbook was made there, so what? That was a completely inane comment.

I just simply can't believe how many people overlook the fact that a world leader is censoring its internet.

You can't bitch about how much you hate a country and then knowingly support those companies that outsource to there. Unless of course you enjoy being a huge hypocrite.

[Ender]

What's your point? If my Macbook was made there, so what? That was a completely inane comment.

I just simply can't believe how many people overlook the fact that a world leader is censoring its internet.

You can't bitch about how much you hate a country and then knowingly support those companies that outsource to there. Unless of course you enjoy being a huge hypocrite.

I don't see how your logic works. The companies that do business with China are not to be blamed for China's censorship. China's government alone is to be blamed for that. The companies that do business with China do so to thrive and survive, which is understandable.

Really, your argument is a weak sugar coating with no substance. Like a pack of nerds.

[Joe]

Ahahahahahaha I thought Craz3d posted this!

If I knew it were you I'd have said your entire MacBook (having one myself), but I'd also have read it a bit more carefully and realized you said China sucks, not the Chinese suck. My bad. :P

EDIT -
Get an avatar imo.

[truste1]

The companies doing business with China allow for China to have an economic position to this. That extends militarily.

[deadly7]

I don't see how your logic works. The companies that do business with China are not to be blamed for China's censorship. China's government alone is to be blamed for that. The companies that do business with China do so to thrive and survive, which is understandable.

Really, your argument is a weak sugar coating with no substance. Like a pack of nerds.

Chinese government has the power that it does because they've managed to keep a constant stream of revenue going into their hands. This means they can constantly FUND themselves in their censorship. The regular citizen just getting a job is quite powerless against this, but when big businesses pay $bn to China to set up shops in the country those in power stay in power. If Hu Jintao was not making any sort of money for the country, do you think that his three vice presidents would not have had him offed by now?

PS: Nice ad hominem. Shows how substanceless your actual argument actually is.

[Ender]

I don't see how your logic works. The companies that do business with China are not to be blamed for China's censorship. China's government alone is to be blamed for that. The companies that do business with China do so to thrive and survive, which is understandable.

Really, your argument is a weak sugar coating with no substance. Like a pack of nerds.

Chinese government has the power that it does because they've managed to keep a constant stream of revenue going into their hands. This means they can constantly FUND themselves in their censorship. The regular citizen just getting a job is quite powerless against this, but when big businesses pay $bn to China to set up shops in the country those in power stay in power. If Hu Jintao was not making any sort of money for the country, do you think that his three vice presidents would not have had him offed by now?

PS: Nice ad hominem. Shows how substanceless your actual argument actually is.

That's not ad hominem. You should learn what ad hominem means.

You are right that the rest of the world is enabling China by doing business with them. But what I am saying is that there is a difference between enabling and enacting the laws in the first place. The world enables China. China enacts its own laws. I can forgive the enabling since it is inevitable -- business is business. But the enactment of censorship is unforgivable. Do you get my point?

[warz]

We're all happy that you care. Thanks for sharing.

[deadly7]

That's not ad hominem. You should learn what ad hominem means.

I really should pay attention to my actual lecture and not skim. My bad. I skimmed and read "your... weak... pack of nerds" and filled in the blanks.

You are right that the rest of the world is enabling China by doing business with them. But what I am saying is that there is a difference between enabling and enacting the laws in the first place. The world enables China. China enacts its own laws. I can forgive the enabling since it is inevitable -- business is business. But the enactment of censorship is unforgivable. Do you get my point?

Initially Mao Zedong in the 50s-70s enacted the initial laws. Of that I blame nobody else other than him, his government, and the peoples of the world that didn't stop him when he was amassing his power during the great revolution. But since then, the world has known CLEARLY what China's stance on government is. "Business is business" is a terrible moral argument for why it's okay for businesses to go there and why it's not immoral for you to buy things from there. You, I, and everyone else that buys products from China are not helping the situation any. Because the government now has all of this power, there's absolutely no way they won't continue their pseudo-socialist regime. So to summarize: yes it's bad they're doing that; you're not helping; businesses aren't helping.

[truste1]

China also artificially undervalues their currency in order to maintain an attractive interest rate. The United States and the IMF have and are going to continue to meet to work on solving this issue. It's sensitive because of our economic ties to China, but all indicators point toward their currency valuing to an equilibrium level. It would not be unwise to invest in Yen.

[Rule]

China also artificially undervalues their currency in order to maintain an attractive interest rate. The United States and the IMF have and are going to continue to meet to work on solving this issue. It's sensitive because of our economic ties to China, but all indicators point toward their currency valuing to an equilibrium level. It would not be unwise to invest in Yen.

Yen is Japanese...

[deadly7]

Yen is Japanese...

Trust comes from a family of snobs. You shouldn't expect him to know things.