Author Topic: Request  (Read 19420 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Rule

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1588
    • View Profile
Request
« on: August 02, 2012, 02:46:15 pm »
Can this forum stop being dead?  Argue with me or something.

Thanks

Offline Blaze

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7136
  • Canadian
    • View Profile
    • Maide
Re: Request
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 03:11:44 pm »
No
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

Offline Sidoh

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17634
  • MHNATY ~~~~~
    • View Profile
    • sidoh
Re: Request
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 04:30:37 pm »
People who think buying Chic-Fil-A supports free speech are fucking dumb.

Go.

Offline Blaze

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7136
  • Canadian
    • View Profile
    • Maide
Re: Request
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 05:05:51 pm »
People who think buying Chic-Fil-A supports free speech are fucking dumb.

Go.

yep
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

Offline AntiVirus

  • Legendary
  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2521
  • Best
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 06:23:05 pm »
People who think buying Chic-Fil-A supports free speech are fucking dumb.

Go.
For the sake of arguing, why?
The once grove of splendor,
Aforetime crowned by lilac and lily,
Lay now forevermore slender;
And all winds that liven
Silhouette a lone existence;
A leafless oak grasping at eternity.


"They say that I must learn to kill before I can feel safe, but I rather kill myself then turn into their slave."
- The Rasmus

Offline Sidoh

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17634
  • MHNATY ~~~~~
    • View Profile
    • sidoh
Re: Request
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 02:08:17 pm »
This is what goes through their minds, I think:

"I don't really like gay people, and I'm glad there's still an organization around that's not ashamed enough of their bigotry to say so out loud. support free speech"

Offline iago

  • Leader
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17914
  • Fnord.
    • View Profile
    • SkullSecurity
Re: Request
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 07:30:25 pm »
People and companies have a right to support whatever causes they want without government interference. People have a right to tell them to fuck off, also without government interference. </thread>

Offline nslay

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 786
  • Giraffe meat, mmm
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2012, 09:46:18 pm »
Can this forum stop being dead?  Argue with me or something.

Thanks
<troll>Frequentists have the right perspective.</troll>
An adorable giant isopod!

Offline deadly7

  • 42
  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6496
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2012, 10:50:17 pm »
My only issue with the chick-fil-a thing is the improper use of government authority to stop them from building places. Abuse your city's "long-term planning" goals or something, but for the mayor to come out and say "No we are not approving your building because you disagree with us" sets a dangerous precedent.
[17:42:21.609] <Ergot> Kutsuju you're girlfrieds pussy must be a 403 error for you
 [17:42:25.585] <Ergot> FORBIDDEN

on IRC playing T&T++
<iago> He is unarmed
<Hitmen> he has no arms?!

on AIM with a drunk mythix:
(00:50:05) Mythix: Deadly
(00:50:11) Mythix: I'm going to fuck that red dot out of your head.
(00:50:15) Mythix: with my nine

Offline iago

  • Leader
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17914
  • Fnord.
    • View Profile
    • SkullSecurity
Re: Request
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2012, 02:37:47 am »
My only issue with the chick-fil-a thing is the improper use of government authority to stop them from building places. Abuse your city's "long-term planning" goals or something, but for the mayor to come out and say "No we are not approving your building because you disagree with us" sets a dangerous precedent.
Agreed. Although I like to see them get screwed, that's not the right way to do it.

Also, haha @ Dan Savage:
Quote
Programming Note: "Chick-fil-A" is an obvious synonym for "pegging." I mean, obviously, right? I shall now use Chick-fil-A in a sentence: "Her boyfriend's kinda homophobic, but I hear he loves Chick-fil-A."

Offline Sty

  • x86
  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 132
  • I'm your huckleberry
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2012, 12:35:43 pm »
I miss you all.  :'(

Offline AntiVirus

  • Legendary
  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2521
  • Best
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2012, 01:27:30 pm »
I was going to try and play Devil's Advocate but that just isn't going to happen, lol.

People and companies have a right to support whatever causes they want without government interference. People have a right to tell them to fuck off, also without government interference. </thread>
I agree to an extent.  Some causes, such as child trafficking, should have government interference to stop it.  However, I agree that in this particular situation government interference is not at all warranted.
The once grove of splendor,
Aforetime crowned by lilac and lily,
Lay now forevermore slender;
And all winds that liven
Silhouette a lone existence;
A leafless oak grasping at eternity.


"They say that I must learn to kill before I can feel safe, but I rather kill myself then turn into their slave."
- The Rasmus

Offline Blaze

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7136
  • Canadian
    • View Profile
    • Maide
Re: Request
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2012, 02:27:18 pm »
I believe that cities and towns should have the right to reject for-profit businesses they don't deem a positive influence in the community, but it should always come down to a vote.  If a city doesn't want a casino built, they should have that right.  The issue comes becomes "more interesting" when it's something like bigotry, but I still feel it should be up to the community.  I'd be far more interested in a community banning all fast food restaurants rather than just the bigot ones, though. The exception to this should be that there be no discrimination to the well being people or a group in a community; there shouldn't be towns banning abortion clinics, as that potentially affects the health and well being of women, but I'm okay with towns banning gay bathhouses.  It is a slippery slope though; I don't disagree.

I'm sure I haven't thought out all the different parts of this, but yeah.  It would be a lot easier if everyone just stopped hating everyone.
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

Offline Rule

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1588
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2012, 04:09:06 pm »
Can this forum stop being dead?  Argue with me or something.

Thanks
<troll>Frequentists have the right perspective.</troll>

I'd like to see a proper moderated debate between frequentists and Bayesians, but for some reason it seems like effort has gone into avoiding an interactive discussion from both sides.  Instead we just hear snarky superior sounding "end of discussion" sort of comments from both sides.  In particular, all of the frequentist complaints (that I've heard) about the philosophy of Bayesian inference seem just poorly thought out -- "where does the prior come from?", "where do you end the hierarchy in your models?", "isn't Bayesian inference just the same as regularisation?", "isn't it unfair to bias your answers towards the right answers?", "should we not just listen to the data?", etc.   On the other hand, I can see a good pragmatist argument against Bayesian inference in certain situations given the constraints of current approximate inference algorithms.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 05:06:50 pm by Rule »

Offline Rule

  • x86
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1588
    • View Profile
Re: Request
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2012, 04:23:45 pm »
This is what goes through their minds, I think:

"I don't really like gay people, and I'm glad there's still an organization around that's not ashamed enough of their bigotry to say so out loud. support free speech"

That describes human nature pretty well in general.  I think most people rationalise their beliefs and allegiances, usually because they choose them before thinking about them carefully.  The thinking always happens in the wrong order.  The reasons people use in arguments are rarely the reasons they themselves have some belief.