WoW = Spyware

[Screenor]

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The fact is, if enough people did get pissed off, Blizzard wouldn't have much choice but to remove Warden from WoW. I'll sit tight and hopefully just that will happen.

No, the fact isn't that.  The only way they'd change is if enough people got pissed off and quit WoW citing the reason that Warden is invading their privacy before they took Warden from WoW.  It won't happen.

They may not lose many current customers, but people who read this will quite possibly not buy WoW because of Warden, and only Warden.

They have the compacity to invade my privacy. Even though I doubt they would, I still dislike that they're doing so. I mean, really, do you like the fact that you're being monitored?

I seriously doubt that, in their list of windows that are bad, there is a hashing even remotely similar to the result of the hash of "WoW is gay"...

It was an example as to the compacity for their program to do something similar.

If newby is correct, they can't monitor you. Your tasks are hashed and compared to a hashed list (which nobody ever said was remote, but probably is). Now, say you're running processXXX.exe, and its an identified hack. You hash it to say, AABBCED, and send it. AABBCED is in the list. Your hacking. You're also running processXXY.exe. You hash it to AABBCEE and send it. Its not in the list, and they have no clue what it is.

Exactly.

[GameSnake]

So is WoW technically considerd spyware or not? Someone wanna elaborate?

[TheSickEmpire]

I don't read most in-game mail because the font Blizzard chose for it is extremely ugly.

Okay, I'll post it here then.

A third party program is any file or program that is not a part of the World of Warcraft software, but is used to gain an advantage in the game, such as increasing your movement speed or teleporting from one place to another beyond what is allowed by game design. It also includes any programs that obtain information from the game that is not normally available to the regular player or that transmit or modify any of the game files.

Then you should just not buy any online games then, considering there's so "out of control", since that's what you're going to have to expect in any game these days.

People can't just stop buying programs, think of the dire consequences. There needs to be change, that's all I'm saying. Your black & white world isin't so black and white.

No, warden scans open process names and acts accordingly.

Why would Blizzard divulge what their anti-hacker software does? That wouldn't be very prudent.

The sky's falling.

Oh shit.

Wal-Mart.

Please direct me to the EULA isle.

Wrong, EULA's can't say they have all rights to your mother and/or house, and so on and so forth, MM's last post is exactly what happens.

Here's an example of an out of control EULA:

EULAs can often contain very restrictive terms that are often surprising. For example, the version 7 of a popular image-viewing application ACDSee prohibits its use for viewing pornographic materials in the EULA (section 3.4 - Use Restrictions).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA

If newby is correct, they can't monitor you. Your tasks are hashed and compared to a hashed list (which nobody ever said was remote, but probably is). Now, say you're running processXXX.exe, and its an identified hack. You hash it to say, AABBCED, and send it. AABBCED is in the list. Your hacking. You're also running processXXY.exe. You hash it to AABBCEE and send it. Its not in the list, and they have no clue what it is.

Exactly. Hash or not, it's still reading your open processes and compareing them to a list of flagged processes.

So is WoW technically considerd spyware or not? Someone wanna elaborate?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware

[GameSnake]

That doesn't answer my question. Is WoW technically spyware or not, I wouldnt know how to compare it and tell myself.

[Sidoh]

That doesn't answer my question. Is WoW technically spyware or not, I wouldnt know how to compare it and tell myself.

I personally don't think so.

[Blaze]

That doesn't answer my question. Is WoW technically spyware or not, I wouldnt know how to compare it and tell myself.

I personally don't think so.

I agree, its just a hack detector.  It never sends info about your usage of programs, other then a hash of them, which would be very hard to find which program it was, and impossible to check what was it was doing.

[TheSickEmpire]

That doesn't answer my question. Is WoW technically spyware or not, I wouldnt know how to compare it and tell myself.

I personally don't think so.

I agree, its just a hack detector.  It never sends info about your usage of programs, other then a hash of them, which would be very hard to find which program it was, and impossible to check what was it was doing.

It has the compacity to do so, which is why it's wrong.

[Blaze]

I don't understand...

[Screenor]

WoW doesn't have any compactity to grab your personal information, it's scanning processes, spyware on the other hand watches what sites you view, what (possibly) you download, etc.  Does Warden watch what sites you visit and what you download? No.

By definition it's not even spyware, for fucks sake TSE.

[Blaze]

Owner?  Eww, store-assembled computer!

[Joe]

Personally, I don't think that WoW is spyware. If you don't like the way this is done, inject a DLL into WoW adding a void to send the warden results packet with WoW.exe and explorer.exe open, and overwrite the beginning of the warden checker to far jump to the injected void.

[Sidoh]

Personally, I don't think that WoW is spyware. If you don't like the way this is done, inject a DLL into WoW adding a void to send the warden results packet with WoW.exe and explorer.exe open, and overwrite the beginning of the warden checker to far jump to the injected void.

I'm going to stab you with a spoon.

Oh wait, there is no spoon.

I'll use a spork instead.

[deadly7]

Personally, I don't think that WoW is spyware. If you don't like the way this is done, inject a DLL into WoW adding a void to send the warden results packet with WoW.exe and explorer.exe open, and overwrite the beginning of the warden checker to far jump to the injected void.

And when Blizzardrealizes you're modifying their program, ggyou!

[Screenor]

Owner?  Eww, store-assembled computer!

LOLOLOLOL go to hell. -_-

:P

[Armin]

Personally, I don't think that WoW is spyware. If you don't like the way this is done, inject a DLL into WoW adding a void to send the warden results packet with WoW.exe and explorer.exe open, and overwrite the beginning of the warden checker to far jump to the injected void.

If you're willing to do something that sevre, why not just make your own hack? You can bet it won't be in their database.