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Finally...
« on: August 04, 2006, 06:35:38 am »
I hit 60. Finally. Three cheers for "I'm so goddamn sick of leveling."

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2006, 10:57:50 am »
Good job! I know that feeling. Are you going to raid now that you are 60? Its the best part about it imo.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2006, 11:05:59 am »
I just quit my guild last night.  Imo, raiding is the most stressful part about this game. :p

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2006, 01:51:48 pm »
I just quit my guild last night.  Imo, raiding is the most stressful part about this game. :p
You will forever be known as a quitter because of this.
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2006, 03:06:52 pm »
I just quit my guild last night.  Imo, raiding is the most stressful part about this game. :p
its because you are a healer. Healing is fucking stressfull in raids. As a warlock I just dot and nuke... oh and sometimes I have to banish :)

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2006, 03:24:44 pm »
You will forever be known as a quitter because of this.

You're cute.

its because you are a healer. Healing is fucking stressfull in raids. As a warlock I just dot and nuke... oh and sometimes I have to banish :)

Kind of.  It's much more closely related to the people in the guild.  Most of them are pretty cool, but a lot of the leaders are annoying and stupid... particularly the healing leader, unfortuantely.  Healing is definitely the most attention-whoring role in a raid, but I don't really mind that.  It's a heavy-healing raid, so I usually had lots of room to slack off.

The main reason for quitting, though, is I do not want to have that sort of obligation when I start college in a few weeks.  I have a pretty heavy classload, so I don't want to be raiding when I should be studying.

Oh, and on a more on-topic note: Congrats Kaleeko! :)
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2006, 03:38:21 pm »
I hit 60. Finally. Three cheers for "I'm so goddamn sick of leveling."

Grats!

+ I hit lvl. 20 on GW last night. Lvl 20 = cap, by the way.

++Alliance battles absolutely own for Elementalists (similar to WoW mage, I suppose.)
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2006, 04:13:23 pm »
Thanks. :D

And Towelie, I have no clue. There are ways I could get hooked up to doing end-game raids, but I'm pretty confident I won't be doing MC for a while. I really don't have the gear for it. As soon as we can hook up with a good guild, though, I plan on farming the shit  outta Strat and Scholo as soon as we finish with BRD. I really, really hate BRD. -_- And UBRS and LBRS. Neither of which I've seen yet. It's still really exciting seeing new instances. :D (Except for BRD.)

On a side note, we were helping our warrior out in ZF the other night (he's still a ways below us, level 48 now), and we got him both  halves of Sul'thraze (I think that's it's name?) in one run, and then the next run we got the lesser-chance sword to drop again, which ended up going to a pally. (Sigh.) It's fucking sexy, though.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2006, 04:17:55 pm »
I like LBRS but hate UBRS.  I think you'll hate UBRS too.
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2006, 04:27:22 pm »
It's highly probable. But you know what? I need the gear. Badly. I'm still wearing mainly 45-50 level blues and low end 50's greens, because I'm not very rich and, naturally, we haven't ran much of anything to give me better gear.

At least I'm not as bad as Mandi, though. Her warlock hit 60 a couple hours before mine did, and she's *still* wearing the Robes of the Lich. ^^

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2006, 08:03:44 pm »
I hit 60. Finally. Three cheers for "I'm so goddamn sick of leveling."

Grats!

+ I hit lvl. 20 on GW last night. Lvl 20 = cap, by the way.

++Alliance battles absolutely own for Elementalists (similar to WoW mage, I suppose.)
I have two level 20s on GW... noob!

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2006, 09:24:45 pm »
GW sucks please stop bringing it up in the WoW forum kthxbye.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2006, 11:08:51 pm »
GW sucks please stop bringing it up in the WoW forum kthxbye.
I agree.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2006, 12:49:26 am »
You will forever be known as a quitter because of this.
You're cute.
Thanks... but I don't feel comfortable with those words coming from a guy....
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2006, 12:58:36 am »
Sure, raiding is stressful. It's like stopping smoking. You're going to fail 10+ times, but when you finally do, the adrenaline rush and satisfied feeling makes it worth it all. Quitting after the first seven makes that time be wasted. :P

Congratulations @ Kaleeko!
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2006, 01:43:00 am »
Sure, raiding is stressful. It's like stopping smoking. You're going to fail 10+ times, but when you finally do, the adrenaline rush and satisfied feeling makes it worth it all. Quitting after the first seven makes that time be wasted. :P

Congratulations @ Kaleeko!

Comming from someone who never smoked a day in his life. Plus that comparison sucks.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2006, 02:07:25 am »
Seeing all the commercials, I know that it's damn hard to stop. :P

On a side note, not to hijack Kaleeko's (awesome) thread, but ding 59. Uno more!
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You might be right about that, Joe.


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Re: Finally...
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2006, 02:15:33 am »
GW sucks please stop bringing it up in the WoW forum kthxbye.

Quite sorry, won't happen again, sir. I didn't realize there were so many moderators in this forum. Wait, Scr33n0r's name isn't in the moderator list?! Hmm, must be something wrong with the forums.
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2006, 02:21:53 am »
GW sucks please stop bringing it up in the WoW forum kthxbye.

Quite sorry, won't happen again, sir. I didn't realize there were so many moderators in this forum. Wait, Scr33n0r's name isn't in the moderator list?! Hmm, must be something wrong with the forums.
You're an idiot, don't hijack threads because you want to mention/post pictures of GW characters in a WoW forum, a WoW thread, about a WoW character.

I forgot to mention, grats on 60 Kal. If you haven't already, you'll soon realize you're now one of the most overpowered classes in the game.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2006, 02:32:52 am »
GW sucks please stop bringing it up in the WoW forum kthxbye.

Quite sorry, won't happen again, sir. I didn't realize there were so many moderators in this forum. Wait, Scr33n0r's name isn't in the moderator list?! Hmm, must be something wrong with the forums.
You're an idiot, don't hijack threads because you want to mention/post pictures of GW characters in a WoW forum, a WoW thread, about a WoW character.

I already apologized. By the way, my post was in response to Kaleeko's lvl60, I just happened to mention that I also capped.
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2006, 02:41:12 am »
I forgot to mention, grats on 60 Kal. If you haven't already, you'll soon realize you're now one of the most overpowered classes in the game.

Trust me, I know. It's a glorious feeling indeed.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2006, 02:54:07 am »
What a waste of time.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2006, 02:56:27 am »

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2006, 03:18:13 am »
Thanks... but I don't feel comfortable with those words coming from a guy....

I know from experience that you're wholly comfortable with this sort of thing... ;D

Sure, raiding is stressful. It's like stopping smoking. You're going to fail 10+ times, but when you finally do, the adrenaline rush and satisfied feeling makes it worth it all. Quitting after the first seven makes that time be wasted. :P

You have no idea what raiding is like -- don't talk about things you don't understand.  I don't care how accurately you think you can portray its properties; you don't understand it.  WoW is a game.  Games are entertainment.  I doubt you're going to be entertaining yourself in the same fashion ten years down the road... wouldn't you inevitably consider it time wasted upon some occasion where you finally decide to stop playing?  If you're going to try to be sagely, you might as well think further ahead than that...

Quite sorry, won't happen again, sir. I didn't realize there were so many moderators in this forum. Wait, Scr33n0r's name isn't in the moderator list?! Hmm, must be something wrong with the forums.

Regardless of the tone he portrayed, he's right.  Things involving Guild Wars don't belong here.  Unless you're comparing it directly to WoW (instead of making incidental statements), it's like posting a Linux thread in the Windows board.  They're two totally different products.

You're an idiot, don't hijack threads because you want to mention/post pictures of GW characters in a WoW forum, a WoW thread, about a WoW character.

Please... stop it there.  Don't start attacking anyone.  I understand your claims, but there's no need to start getting personal.

I forgot to mention, grats on 60 Kal. If you haven't already, you'll soon realize you're now one of the most overpowered classes in the game.

Honestly, I think the classes are pretty well "globally" balanced.  "Overpowered" is generally a childish, non-perceptive claim when someone can't beat a certain class in a duel.  The game isn't meant to be perfectly balanced in every situation... that would be boring.

What a waste of time.

I can't say that I disagree.

However, isn't that what all past times amount to?
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2006, 03:35:04 am »

Quite sorry, won't happen again, sir. I didn't realize there were so many moderators in this forum. Wait, Scr33n0r's name isn't in the moderator list?! Hmm, must be something wrong with the forums.

Regardless of the tone he portrayed, he's right.  Things involving Guild Wars don't belong here.  Unless you're comparing it directly to WoW (instead of making incidental statements), it's like posting a Linux thread in the Windows board.  They're two totally different products.

I was simply adding that I also capped. If someone accomplished something on Windows and posted about it on a Windows forum while someone in Linux also accomplished the same (or similar) thing, could the Linux person congradulate them and add in the fact that they did a similar thing at a similar time?

Pointless arguing, just PM or IM if you wish to continue it, not on here.
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2006, 03:43:45 am »
I was simply adding that I also capped. If someone accomplished something on Windows and posted about it on a Windows forum while someone in Linux also accomplished the same (or similar) thing, could the Linux person congradulate them and add in the fact that they did a similar thing at a similar time?

Pointless arguing, just PM or IM if you wish to continue it, not on here.

It just doesn't work that way.  You're not comparing the games... you're making an incidental statement regarding your situation with a totally different game.  In any case, I will leave it at that... :P

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2006, 05:00:42 am »
Hunters are just like warlocks in a sense, just more based around kiting. Both classes which are very overpowered. I don't look at that from a rogue point of view, I look at that from a every other class in the game point of view, people who play the classes in my guild even agree with that.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2006, 05:35:18 am »
You will forever be known as a quitter because of this.

You're cute.

its because you are a healer. Healing is fucking stressfull in raids. As a warlock I just dot and nuke... oh and sometimes I have to banish :)

Kind of.  It's much more closely related to the people in the guild.  Most of them are pretty cool, but a lot of the leaders are annoying and stupid... particularly the healing leader, unfortuantely.  Healing is definitely the most attention-whoring role in a raid, but I don't really mind that.  It's a heavy-healing raid, so I usually had lots of room to slack off.

The main reason for quitting, though, is I do not want to have that sort of obligation when I start college in a few weeks.  I have a pretty heavy classload, so I don't want to be raiding when I should be studying.

Oh, and on a more on-topic note: Congrats Kaleeko! :)

So this means more time on Maelstrom!  ;D
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2006, 05:36:44 am »
Hunters are just like warlocks in a sense, just more based around kiting. Both classes which are very overpowered. I don't look at that from a rogue point of view, I look at that from a every other class in the game point of view, people who play the classes in my guild even agree with that.

How are they "very overpowered."  I'd like to her rational explanation.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2006, 08:09:17 am »
Hunters are just like warlocks in a sense, just more based around kiting. Both classes which are very overpowered. I don't look at that from a rogue point of view, I look at that from a every other class in the game point of view, people who play the classes in my guild even agree with that.

How are they "very overpowered."  I'd like to her rational explanation.

Concussive shot then when they're at max range, and if their a meele class they have to run to you, slowly. If they're a ranged class, your pet's fast attack speed (rather than slow attack and high damage) breaks their spellcasting over and over. Generally, nobody ever gets a shot off on a hunter unless they have good end-game gear.
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2006, 10:18:15 am »
Hunters are just like warlocks in a sense, just more based around kiting. Both classes which are very overpowered. I don't look at that from a rogue point of view, I look at that from a every other class in the game point of view, people who play the classes in my guild even agree with that.

How are they "very overpowered."  I'd like to her rational explanation.

Concussive shot then when they're at max range, and if their a meele class they have to run to you, slowly. If they're a ranged class, your pet's fast attack speed (rather than slow attack and high damage) breaks their spellcasting over and over. Generally, nobody ever gets a shot off on a hunter unless they have good end-game gear.

I hate to say this, but Joe got that perfectly correct.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2006, 04:56:46 pm »
Note also wingclip and scatter shot make for decent kiting, as well as feigndeath+iceblock, and a caster can be easily 2-3 shotted unless I'm feared or seduced. Which is why I hate warlocks.

Really though, while hunters have abilities that make them "overpowered", a smart player knows how to get out of them. I could kill any class, but any class could kill me. Some classes do have an advantage over others, but generally, a class that seems "overpowered" is someone just playing their class really well. A hunter is just, frankly, a lot easier than other classes. In my opinion, most purely-DPS classes are. That's just from my experience, though, and I haven't played all the classes very far in the game. I could be wrong.

I personally don't PvP a lot. I like PvE more, which is why I'm excited about end-game so much. I like PvP, but my computer can't handle it very well, so I generally tend to stay away from it.

EDIT: Iceblock, wtf? I meant Freezing Trap. It looks  like an iceblock, though. ^^
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Re: Finally...
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2006, 05:08:52 pm »
Concussive shot then when they're at max range, and if their a meele class they have to run to you, slowly. If they're a ranged class, your pet's fast attack speed (rather than slow attack and high damage) breaks their spellcasting over and over. Generally, nobody ever gets a shot off on a hunter unless they have good end-game gear.

Wrong.

Warlocks have Void Walker sacrifice and fear.  Mages have Mana Shield and/or Ice Barrier and Blink..  Priests have Power World: Shield and an instant cast fear spell.  Warriors have Intercept Stun and an instant cast fear spell.  Rogues have sprint and vanish and an assload of stuns.  Shaman can kill with instant cast spells.  Paladins have two bubble spells and a ranged stun.  Druids have shapeshift.

Hunters are easy to beat on my Priest.  They're harder on my Rogue, but that's because my gear sucks.

Now that I've disproven your point that clearly had no thought put into it, I'll make this explicit: PvP isn't the only activity in WoW.  Try raiding with a hunter.  Unless you're using Tranq shot, tell me how important you feel.

I hate to say this, but Joe got that perfectly correct.

You're not thinking hard enough.

Note also wingclip and scatter shot make for decent kiting, as well as feigndeath+iceblock, and a caster can be easily 2-3 shotted unless I'm feared or seduced. Which is why I hate warlocks.

Really though, while hunters have abilities that make them "overpowered", a smart player knows how to get out of them. I could kill any class, but any class could kill me. Some classes do have an advantage over others, but generally, a class that seems "overpowered" is someone just playing their class really well. A hunter is just, frankly, a lot easier than other classes. In my opinion, most purely-DPS classes are. That's just from my experience, though, and I haven't played all the classes very far in the game. I could be wrong.

I personally don't PvP a lot. I like PvE more, which is why I'm excited about end-game so much. I like PvP, but my computer can't handle it very well, so I generally tend to stay away from it.

My Priest has 4K health self-buffed.  You can do 1300-1400 damage with 2-3 shots? :\

My Rogue has 3K health unbuffed... that's still a lot ot 3 shot unless someone's sitting down and letting you hit them with Aimed Shot.  I have an easy time beating hunters on my Priest.  I can heal WAY faster than they can DPS and they don't have much of a way of stopping it.  In 1.5 seconds, I can heal myself for 1300-1900.  In 2.5 seconds, 3000-4000.  On top of that, I can cast a shield that absorbs 1000 damage and use Renew, which heals for 330 every 3 seconds.

The only way a Hunter will beat me is if they manage to drain my mana, but I'm much better at doing that.  They usually get one viper sting off, but that's not that big of a deal, as I have 8100 mana unbuffed.  I'll run up, fear, cast Mana Burn a couple of times and they're completely out of mana.  It usually doesn't take more than 3-4 casts.  Then, I just put SW:P on them, follow them around and keep PW:S and Renew up... it's ez mode :p

You're right there... the ability to defeat another class is awarded when you understand how your opponent works.  I've played a hunter a decent amount.  I know their abilities and I know how to counter them.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2006, 05:29:23 pm »
Haha. Well, understand I just came out of the 50-59 bracket, and few casters had that many hit points. Assumed, 3k max. That's what our priest has, so I'd figured about that much against an opposing priest.

If I get the first shot off, that's a 2000+ aimed shot crit, otherwise 1000k regularly, immediatly followed by autoshot. If you've played a hunter, you might know that the shot right after aimed shot, for some reason, seems to crit 90% of the time, which is another 500-600 damage. Multishot can then be instantly cast for 400 damage, 800-1000 if crit. That's a very dead priest very quickly, if you ask me. Though, this really only happens if they're caught off guard. That can be pretty difficult to achieve, but it's possible. Though, if they have more hit points, are quick on the fly (aka have a better computer than I do and actually see their health dropping rapidly), they'll bubble. Send in pet, feigndeath+shadowmeld (it can work, sometimes), and then quickly get off another spell once the bubble breaks.

That's completely hypothetical, though. Unfortuately, in a lot of circumstances in PvP, everyone wants the hunter dead. So, I'd never be competing just against that priest, and that priest more than likely wouldn't just be dealing with me.

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2006, 05:38:10 pm »
If I'm PvPing, I'm using SCT.  I'm going to immediately notice that I just lost 2000 HP in a single blow.  I'll instantaneously put up PW:S and start to cast Flash Heal and continue doing so until I'm at 100% health.  The funny thing about NE's Shadowmelding on me, though, is that I always use Perception to counter it.  I can see them up to 10 yards away, so it's no big deal seeing through it.

I'm wondering if the Priests you fought used Inner Fire.  It nearly doubles damage reduction. :|

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Re: Finally...
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2006, 05:46:14 pm »
Can Shadow priests use inner fire?** Most priests I deal with are shadow. Note, I don't tend to attack people that are going to deal with me right away. I almost always attack people that are busy, because then I'm less likely going to die. For instance, right after I see a priest lose their bubble, if they're mind flaying someone, etc. My preference is to remain hidden for as long as possible, because when you have a computer that runs as slow as mine, you can't react to being attacked very quickly. I use the element of surprise as often as possible. I must play against really stupid people, because 8 times out of 10, they die. :)

And, NE's shadowmeld on you? I didn't know that your priest was Horde. <3 But wait, if your priest is horde, how can you use perception? *gasp*

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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2006, 06:16:57 pm »
Yes.  Inner Fire is a trainable spell that increases armor by 1300 when level 60.

Also, I'm doubting you've faced any Soul Link warlocks.  They're effectively mail - plate wearers as long as their pets are still alive.

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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2006, 06:22:06 pm »
Warlocks don't count. They're the only class I really fear. Literally. Haha. ;) Though, it is always the pet that dies first. I don't tend to kill warlocks, though. I stay the fuck away from them.

And, I know what inner fire is, but I thought it was Holy. Must be Discipline, then?

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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2006, 06:27:23 pm »
Warlocks don't count. They're the only class I really fear. Literally. Haha. ;) Though, it is always the pet that dies first. I don't tend to kill warlocks, though. I stay the fuck away from them.

And, I know what inner fire is, but I thought it was Holy. Must be Discipline, then?

How I wish you would have met my Rogue in the 40's bracket... :p

Come to FM and duel my priest. ;)

It's in the Discipline school, but any priest can learn it.

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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2006, 08:18:46 pm »
Now that I've disproven your point that clearly had no thought put into it, I'll make this explicit: PvP isn't the only activity in WoW.
You're not thinking hard enough.

Out of curiocity, why do you take the "I'm better than you so I'll say what I want, how I want to" approach on half the topics on these forums?
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You might be right about that, Joe.


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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2006, 12:54:08 am »
Out of curiocity, why do you take the "I'm better than you so I'll say what I want, how I want to" approach on half the topics on these forums?

Curiosity inspires defense by false claims? :P

If that's the case, then half of the replies I make on these forums are responses to people who were wrong.  That's an exaggeration, though... I think we both know that. :P

I stated that hunter's aren't overpowered.  You gave a pseudo-valid response involving their superiority in PvP, even though almost every class has a counter-measure for the strategy you explained.

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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2006, 02:08:00 am »
Eh, well, it came out wrong the way you said it. :)
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You might be right about that, Joe.


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Re: Finally...
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2006, 02:24:11 am »

How I wish you would have met my Rogue in the 40's bracket... :p

Come to FM and duel my priest. ;)

It's in the Discipline school, but any priest can learn it.

Hehe. Trust me, your priest would beat my hunters' ass. 1v1, I personally am terrible. Lag, plus lack of PvP experience, plus very terrible gear. If you get one fear off, I'd be toast, lol.

And, duh. ;) But, if it was holy a holy spell, than priests in shadowform wouldn't be able to cast it. At least, to my knowledge?

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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2006, 07:47:53 am »
Sidoh plays on an RP server, so from what he's told me I've never been impressed by the "skill" of players there. That's why when he tells me anything relevant to pvp I just ignore him because he's usually wrong. I don't know how it is with other RP servers, but when cross-realm BG's come out and I'm pugging with Thorium Brotherhood I'm not expecting to see much.

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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2006, 07:50:30 am »
Yeah Sidoh, wasn't your raid like 20-manning Naxx or something rediculously amazing like that? You shouldn't talk about PvP stuff when you're decked out in full tier 4 like that. :)
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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2006, 11:35:32 am »
Yeah Sidoh, wasn't your raid like 20-manning Naxx or something rediculously amazing like that? You shouldn't talk about PvP stuff when you're decked out in full tier 4 like that. :)
They're not 20 manning Naxx... Also there is no tier 4 armor.

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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2006, 02:33:45 pm »
Hehe. Trust me, your priest would beat my hunters' ass. 1v1, I personally am terrible. Lag, plus lack of PvP experience, plus very terrible gear. If you get one fear off, I'd be toast, lol.

And, duh. ;) But, if it was holy a holy spell, than priests in shadowform wouldn't be able to cast it. At least, to my knowledge?

Oh, haha.  I see what you're saying.  Yeah, it's a discipline spell, but it's a 10 minute buff with 20 charges, so it wouldn't matter a whole lot even if it was.

Sidoh plays on an RP server, so from what he's told me I've never been impressed by the "skill" of players there. That's why when he tells me anything relevant to pvp I just ignore him because he's usually wrong. I don't know how it is with other RP servers, but when cross-realm BG's come out and I'm pugging with Thorium Brotherhood I'm not expecting to see much.

Just because the average player I face on Feathermoon isn't good doesn't mean that I'm not good.  It doesn't take much intelligence to realize how to beat another class, Screenor.  Don't think you're more sagely than I just because you play on a PvP server... I'm perfectly capable of PvP.  Casting an inherent shroud of superiority for a silly reason like you are is foolish.

Yeah Sidoh, wasn't your raid like 20-manning Naxx or something rediculously amazing like that? You shouldn't talk about PvP stuff when you're decked out in full tier 4 like that. :)

Onyxia.  They 10 manned Onyxia months ago, but that's not a big deal.  I have Tier 2.  Tier 4 isn't even out yet. ;\

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« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2006, 02:38:53 pm »
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Just because the average player I face on Feathermoon isn't good doesn't mean that I'm not good.  It doesn't take much intelligence to realize how to beat another class, Screenor.  Don't think you're more sagely than I just because you play on a PvP server... I'm perfectly capable of PvP.  Casting an inherent shroud of superiority for a silly reason like you are is foolish.

The fact is you play against shitty opponents, sure, you can use skills to counter theirs, however hunters will ALWAYS have something up to keep you away from them. I don't doubt your skill, but you cannot tell me hunters and warlocks are "balanced". If either of those classes lose to a rogue they're just bad, period.

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« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2006, 02:47:34 pm »
The fact is you play against shitty opponents, sure, you can use skills to counter theirs, however hunters will ALWAYS have something up to keep you away from them. I don't doubt your skill, but you cannot tell me hunters and warlocks are "balanced". If either of those classes lose to a rogue they're just bad, period.

This is not the case.  I doubt even the majority of the opponents I face/have faced are 'shitty.'  You're being terribly prejudice.  I will admit that there are probably more bad players on Feathermoon than the average PvP server, but then again, all you've seen is some light world PvP.  Have you even played one 60's BG?

I can tell you that Hunters and Warlocks are balanced for the same reason I already tried to bring up: the whole game doesn't revolve around PvP.  Yes, I'm aware that both Warlocks and Hunters are generally good against some classes and find ease in defeating them, but you must realize that the same is true for those same classes.  Priests can beat Hunters pretty easily.  I've dueled the best PvP hunter in our guild (Field Marshal) and won without much of a problem... and that's without a single point in shadow.  Warlocks don't have the targetted DPS ability that mages have.  Hunters do great with DPS in raids, but they're not hard to beat if you try.

Fortunately, this game isn't meant to be equally balanced accross the table.  Classes are supposed to have staggered abilities.  Hunters are supposed to be able to beat a Rogue easily 1v1.  However, when you have the element of surprise on a hunter, how hard is it for you to beat them?

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« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2006, 03:02:14 pm »
1v1 against a hunter, they are cake... but in AV and I have half health and targetting someone else, I quickly die if I dont have death coil up :-/

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« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2006, 03:04:56 pm »
1v1 against a hunter, they are cake... but in AV and I have half health and targetting someone else, I quickly die if I dont have death coil up :-/

I think Warlocks are one of the easier classes to take down for a Rogue in a battleground situation.  Death Coil sucks, but so does Insignia of the Alliance. ;)

Would you agree, Screenor?  They seem easier than a mage... they can't slow you down, they can't immobilize you, they can't instantly teleport themselves 20 yards away from you AND break your stuns at the same time, they don't have a fucking shield that absorbs an ambush.. etc.

Don't get me wrong, though... DoT kiting is a cruel and effective strategy. :p

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« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2006, 03:06:32 pm »
1v1 against a hunter, they are cake... but in AV and I have half health and targetting someone else, I quickly die if I dont have death coil up :-/

I think Warlocks are one of the easier classes to take down for a Rogue in a battleground situation.  Death Coil sucks, but so does Insignia of the Alliance. ;)

Would you agree, Screenor?  They seem easier than a mage... they can't slow you down, they can't immobilize you, they can't instantly teleport themselves 20 yards away from you AND break your stuns at the same time, they don't have a fucking shield that absorbs an ambush.. etc.

Don't get me wrong, though... DoT kiting is a cruel and effective strategy. :p
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« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2006, 03:28:00 pm »
@Sidoh: You seriously have only tier2? I thought your raid was like, the best there is, period, finished with Naxx and emailing Blizzard daily to release another dungeon because you got bored. :). Tier 4 was obviously an exageration of how good I thought your raid was doing. I was just saying that I thought you had nearly the best gear in the game, period, and being a priest could rip anyone several new ones in a few seconds.
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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2006, 06:55:16 pm »
Have I ever done a BG at 60? Yes, that's why I'm a higher pvp rank then either of your characters.

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Death Coil sucks, but so does Insignia of the Alliance.

Yep, Insignia does suck, because it doesn't effect that shitty Death Coil.


I prefer fighting mages over warlocks as a dagger rogue, mainly because as long as they're not in pvp gear, they can be in full tier 2 and I can two shot them. I can understand swords however wanting to fight warlocks more then mages.

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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2006, 08:42:56 pm »
Have I ever done a BG at 60? Yes, that's why I'm a higher pvp rank then either of your characters.

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Death Coil sucks, but so does Insignia of the Alliance.

Yep, Insignia does suck, because it doesn't effect that shitty Death Coil.


I prefer fighting mages over warlocks as a dagger rogue, mainly because as long as they're not in pvp gear, they can be in full tier 2 and I can two shot them. I can understand swords however wanting to fight warlocks more then mages.
also, insignia does have a cooldown.

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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2006, 09:27:58 pm »
Warlocks are never easy. A rogue sneaks up on you? Seduce, fear, Curse of Exhaustion, Corruption, Syphon Life, Immolate, fearx2. Game over.
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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2006, 12:16:48 am »
@Sidoh: You seriously have only tier2? I thought your raid was like, the best there is, period, finished with Naxx and emailing Blizzard daily to release another dungeon because you got bored. :). Tier 4 was obviously an exageration of how good I thought your raid was doing. I was just saying that I thought you had nearly the best gear in the game, period, and being a priest could rip anyone several new ones in a few seconds.

The best guild in the game (Death and Taxes) isn't even through Naxxrammas... We're through Blackwing Lair and almost through Ahn'Qiraj.

also, insignia does have a cooldown.

Fortunately, it's rare that I meet the same opponent more than a couple of times within 5 minutes...

Have I ever done a BG at 60? Yes, that's why I'm a higher pvp rank then either of your characters.

I was referring to a 60's BG on Feathermoon...

Yep, Insignia does suck, because it doesn't effect that shitty Death Coil.

Death Coil fear lasts for what... 3 seconds?  It's more of a counter measure to prevent fear from getting inturupted.

I prefer fighting mages over warlocks as a dagger rogue, mainly because as long as they're not in pvp gear, they can be in full tier 2 and I can two shot them. I can understand swords however wanting to fight warlocks more then mages.

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« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2006, 01:05:35 am »
Death Coil fear lasts for what... 3 seconds?  It's more of a counter measure to prevent fear from getting inturupted.
That is exactly it. I use deathcoil to get melee off my ass (rogues especially) so I can get my fear in without interruption. Unless its a caster I am fighting... its not to get them off my ass but to make for an easier fear.

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« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2006, 09:52:32 am »
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if they dropped death coil's fear effect. I fight scourge all the time, so it doesn't really matter anyhow. The fear effect sucks against mobs because they run and aggro, especially in raids. I like to use it as a last ditch "shit I'm nearly dead, quick, health!" healing move, personally, or a quick 1k damage from Shadowbolt and an immediate Death Coil following.
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« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2006, 12:14:14 pm »
Sidoh: No, I completely understand a sword rogue wanting to fight a warlock more then a mage, trust me, I was one. :P But if you ever go daggers you'll see you'd rather fight mages.

Fact: D&T are gods.

Joe: My guild (Enclave) is almost as far as Sidoh's ex-guild in instance progression, we've gotten Twin Emps (AQ40) to 43%, I think he told me they got to 30%. Also, how do you like Sidoh's balls? Rolling 'em around enough? :-*

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« Reply #60 on: August 07, 2006, 01:28:06 pm »
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if they dropped death coil's fear effect. I fight scourge all the time, so it doesn't really matter anyhow. The fear effect sucks against mobs because they run and aggro, especially in raids. I like to use it as a last ditch "shit I'm nearly dead, quick, health!" healing move, personally, or a quick 1k damage from Shadowbolt and an immediate Death Coil following.
What the FUCK are you talking about. You need to pvp more :-/

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« Reply #61 on: August 07, 2006, 03:12:08 pm »
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if they dropped death coil's fear effect. I fight scourge all the time, so it doesn't really matter anyhow. The fear effect sucks against mobs because they run and aggro, especially in raids. I like to use it as a last ditch "shit I'm nearly dead, quick, health!" healing move, personally, or a quick 1k damage from Shadowbolt and an immediate Death Coil following.
What the FUCK are you talking about. You need to pvp more :-/
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« Reply #62 on: August 07, 2006, 10:10:45 pm »
To be honest, I wouldn't mind if they dropped death coil's fear effect. I fight scourge all the time, so it doesn't really matter anyhow. The fear effect sucks against mobs because they run and aggro, especially in raids. I like to use it as a last ditch "shit I'm nearly dead, quick, health!" healing move, personally, or a quick 1k damage from Shadowbolt and an immediate Death Coil following.

They don't run away.  They run around in an extremely small raidus for 3 seconds.  They won't aggro anything.  It's much like Blind, except it doesn't last as long.  Also, Deathcoil is what makes Warlocks overly viable in PvP.  I don't know what you're talking about...

Sidoh: No, I completely understand a sword rogue wanting to fight a warlock more then a mage, trust me, I was one. :P But if you ever go daggers you'll see you'd rather fight mages.

Nah, I saw why mages would be better to fight with daggers before you mentioned it, but I still think there's a decent chance for failure if you miss an ambush/backstab.

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« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2006, 07:45:44 am »
A warlock without fear? Are you kidding joe? We don't have frost nova, but yet we still wear cloth. If our opponents could get near us, we're dead.
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