"Teh" Owned

[Blaze]

http://maide.ca/~ian/public/wow/pictures/Banned.png

I'm going to get it unbanned on Monday, I hope.

[trust]

Why were you banned?

[Sidoh]

Ruh-oh...

[Newby]

Weird.

[Krazed]

Ruh-oh...

Isn't it more like Rut-roh?

[Blaze]

Why were you banned?

This is a notification regarding your World of Warcraft account.  Access to this account has been permanently disabled for exploitation of the World of Warcraft economy or for being associated to accounts which have been closed for intended exploitation.

[Newby]

How do you exploit the WoW economy? Curious.

[Towelie]

How do you exploit the WoW economy? Curious.

Selling gold and making $2,000.

[Armin]

Or possibly buying gold.

[Towelie]

(2:41:41 PM) Blaze: "Severe Exploitation of the World of Warcraft Economy"
(2:41:46 PM) Blaze:
(2:42:03 PM) HighTowelie 4365: as in..
(2:42:05 PM) Blaze: Beat that, bitch! 
(2:42:10 PM) Blaze: I was a little china man,.
(2:42:19 PM) HighTowelie 4365: doing what?
(2:42:36 PM) Blaze: What are the Chinese's role in WoW again?
(2:42:40 PM) HighTowelie 4365: dunno
(2:42:41 PM) HighTowelie 4365: tell me
(2:42:48 PM) Blaze: SELL GOLDZZZ1  :d
(2:42:50 PM) Blaze:
(2:42:52 PM) HighTowelie 4365: oh
(2:42:54 PM) HighTowelie 4365: you sold gold?
(2:42:57 PM) Blaze: Yup.
(2:42:57 PM) HighTowelie 4365: and they caught you
(2:43:00 PM) Blaze: Yup
(2:43:01 PM) HighTowelie 4365: how
(2:43:12 PM) Blaze: I'm up USD $2,000.00 though.
(2:43:20 PM) HighTowelie 4365: how much gold did you sell
(2:43:30 PM) Blaze: Round 10k

[ZeroX]

They have no edvince of anybody buying Gold from a chinese gold farmer. They just have good ideas.

[Furious]

They have no edvince of anybody buying Gold from a chinese gold farmer. They just have good ideas.

When someone gets sent 200+ gold from a random account, I'm sure they have a pretty good idea.  Blizzard has really been cracking down on gold selling and power leveling lately and I doubt you will get it back.

[Newby]

Goddamn. Good luck! :|

[ZeroX]

They have no edvince of anybody buying Gold from a chinese gold farmer. They just have good ideas.

When someone gets sent 200+ gold from a random account, I'm sure they have a pretty good idea.  Blizzard has really been cracking down on gold selling and power leveling lately and I doubt you will get it back.

You could testiy that a friend was using that account and that he didnt want to play anymore and simply just sent you his shit?

[Sidoh]

You could testiy that a friend was using that account and that he didnt want to play anymore and simply just sent you his shit?

Sharing accounts is also against the TOS.

[Towelie]

You could testiy that a friend was using that account and that he didnt want to play anymore and simply just sent you his shit?

Sharing accounts is also against the TOS.

That is just what I was going to say . You beat me to it by 2 seconds!

[Blaze]

I was the chinese farmer though, you guys make it sound like I'm buying.. :\

[Furious]

I was the chinese farmer though, you guys make it sound like I'm buying.. :\

It all violates the ToS, you're making money off of Blizzard's "intellectual" property.

[Sidoh]

It all violates the ToS, you're making money off of Blizzard's "intellectual" property.

He knows, but he thinks its cool to sell gold. ;P

Just curious, Blaze, did you make the gold with a glider?  I often considered it after making 800g in a few weeks with almost no effort, but decided against it because of the risk involved.

[Blaze]

It all violates the ToS, you're making money off of Blizzard's "intellectual" property.

He knows, but he thinks its cool to sell gold. ;P

Just curious, Blaze, did you make the gold with a glider?  I often considered it after making 800g in a few weeks with almost no effort, but decided against it because of the risk involved.

It is pretty cool -- the idea of making lots of money off video games.

You could probably make a lot more now off expansion mobs.  I've considered starting a WoW bot farm a couple times..

[Sidoh]

Yeah, you could make pretty good money doing it, I think.

[Blaze]

So... what's stopping us again?  Sidoh + Blaze = Uber profits! 

[Sidoh]

So... what's stopping us again?  Sidoh + Blaze = Uber profits! 

Dude, we totally should this summer.

Edit -- Just in case you didn't read my posts regarding my "resignation," there's just no way I can do it right now.  As fun as it sounds, I have quite a bit of school work on my plate and I don't want something as attention-whoring as WoW keeping me from homework and such.

[Joe]

For the record, using WoW Glider in Outland is almost an instant ban. GM's are running around dressed "incognito" banning bots on sight.

[Furious]

And just FYI Glider may not be here much longer.  Blizzard filed a lawsuit against Mercury ( the creator ) and if they win they will be getting the source code, all the profits he made, his site and more.

[Blaze]

And just FYI Glider may not be here much longer.  Blizzard filed a lawsuit against Mercury ( the creator ) and if they win they will be getting the source code, all the profits he made, his site and more.

Ugh.. on what grounds are they suing him for?

[Newby]

And just FYI Glider may not be here much longer.  Blizzard filed a lawsuit against Mercury ( the creator ) and if they win they will be getting the source code, all the profits he made, his site and more.

Ugh.. on what grounds are they suing him for?

Probably the same way that pindle bots were against the TOS.

[Sidoh]

Probably the same way that pindle bots were against the TOS.

That isn't valid reasoning for lawsuit.

[Newby]

Probably the same way that pindle bots were against the TOS.

That isn't valid reasoning for lawsuit.

Ah. I missed that. Making $ off of intellectual property and probably some other TOS violations? :|

[Sidoh]

Ah. I missed that. Making $ off of intellectual property and probably some other TOS violations? :|

I don't think they can use the TOS argument in court.  Making money of intellectual property makes sense, but I'm not sure it'd fly in court.  I'd definitely like to keep track of it if it ends up going through, though.  It seems like an interesting case.

[Joe]

Providing a product against their EULA or something.

[Sidoh]

Providing a product against their EULA or something.

Again, I'm pretty sure that the EULA doesn't annex the laws in a country...

[Joe]

Eh.. you didn't expect me to read the topic first, did you?

[Sidoh]

Eh.. you didn't expect me to read the topic first, did you?

If you were replying to my post, then you should have seen the word "court."  You can't take someone to court for not obeying your house rules (assuming they don't overlap with the laws of the country said house is located in).

[Furious]

And just FYI Glider may not be here much longer.  Blizzard filed a lawsuit against Mercury ( the creator ) and if they win they will be getting the source code, all the profits he made, his site and more.

Ugh.. on what grounds are they suing him for?

They aren't suing him, they filed a (counter)lawsuit.  I forgot to mention, Blizzard's henchmen came to Mercury's house and confronted him about WoWGlider ( I don't remember the specifics ), he filed a lawsuit for something or another, and they counter'd with a lawsuit.  If anyone is actually interested in the case, you can go to WoWGlider.com, register and look on the "Legal" forum.

Some documents on the case.

[Furious]

Ah. I missed that. Making $ off of intellectual property and probably some other TOS violations? :|

I don't think they can use the TOS argument in court.  Making money of intellectual property makes sense, but I'm not sure it'd fly in court.  I'd definitely like to keep track of it if it ends up going through, though.  It seems like an interesting case.

It's a very valid argument, feel free to scan through those documents I linked too.

[Sidoh]

They aren't suing him, they filed a (counter)lawsuit.  I forgot to mention, Blizzard's henchmen came to Mercury's house and confronted him about WoWGlider ( I don't remember the specifics ), he filed a lawsuit for something or another, and they counter'd with a lawsuit.  If anyone is actually interested in the case, you can go to WoWGlider.com, register and look on the "Legal" forum.

From my understanding, to sue someone is to bring about a lawsuit.  Blaze used the word correctly.

It's a very valid argument, feel free to scan through those documents I linked too.

From what I got, they mentioned what he does violates the TOS and EULA, but the lawsuit seems to be over copyright infringement (using "WoW" in wowglider) and impacting Blizzard's profits negatively.

You can't file a lawsuit if someone violates your TOS and EULA, as they are not controlled by the government in any form (aside from obvious exceptions).  For example, I don't think Blizzard can sue anyone for buying gold or talking about Hindu in general chat.

[Furious]

They aren't suing him, they filed a (counter)lawsuit.  I forgot to mention, Blizzard's henchmen came to Mercury's house and confronted him about WoWGlider ( I don't remember the specifics ), he filed a lawsuit for something or another, and they counter'd with a lawsuit.  If anyone is actually interested in the case, you can go to WoWGlider.com, register and look on the "Legal" forum.

From my understanding, to sue someone is to bring about a lawsuit.  Blaze used the word correctly.

It's a very valid argument, feel free to scan through those documents I linked too.

From what I got, they mentioned what he does violates the TOS and EULA, but the lawsuit seems to be over copyright infringement (using "WoW" in wowglider) and impacting Blizzard's profits negatively.

You can't file a lawsuit if someone violates your TOS and EULA, as they are not controlled by the government in any form (aside from obvious exceptions).  For example, I don't think Blizzard can sue anyone for buying gold or talking about Hindu in general chat.

They can't, and that's why they get banned - therefore the topic.

[Sidoh]

They can't, and that's why they get banned - therefore the topic.

That's obvious.  The (currently off topic) discussion is over lawsuits, though...

[ZeroX]

All the more power to him. He was smart enough to make a Bot that would give players a chance to get gold as they sleep, work, and or do other things thus making the game easier for them. Thus a "Cheat code" blizzard should know all about Cheat codes, being themselfs use them in all their games in the past. I mean the ToS that blizzard drawn up when you frist open wow is compelte bull shit in my opinion. It is agianst the ToS to have a name of a Celebraty. Such as batman or brintey spears.

[Sidoh]

All the more power to him. He was smart enough to make a Bot that would give players a chance to get gold as they sleep, work, and or do other things thus making the game easier for them. Thus a "Cheat code" blizzard should know all about Cheat codes, being themselfs use them in all their games in the past. I mean the ToS that blizzard drawn up when you frist open wow is compelte bull shit in my opinion. It is agianst the ToS to have a name of a Celebraty. Such as batman or brintey spears.

Do you know that "Mercury" has made near $1M off this thing?  It isn't his basement project anymore; it's his job.

You've made so many shady conclusions and painful semantical errors here that I don't know where to begin.  I guess the only point I'm going to try to make (as the other complaints you've ranted here seem to be silly, inconclusive and unbacked) is this: Blizzard can define whichever terms of service they want, assuming that none of them require you to break laws.  That being said, my read over of the World of Warcraft TOS (which I will admit was not fully complete) led me to believe that they were completely reasonable.

There are obvious reasons that you can't name your character after Batman and less obvious reasons that you're not allowed to name your characters after celebrities (conflict.  maybe someone names their character Justintimberlake and many people don't like him or his music.  this person may passively cause conflict simply because of his name).

[Furious]

This isn't his job, it's his side-project.  I'm sure he never expected WoWGlider to get so big.

[Sidoh]

This isn't his job, it's his side-project.  I'm sure he never expected WoWGlider to get so big.

I'm really sure that it's making him more money than his job, unless his job was already paying six figures a year.

[ZeroX]

All the more power to him. He was smart enough to make a Bot that would give players a chance to get gold as they sleep, work, and or do other things thus making the game easier for them. Thus a "Cheat code" blizzard should know all about Cheat codes, being themselfs use them in all their games in the past. I mean the ToS that blizzard drawn up when you frist open wow is compelte bull shit in my opinion. It is agianst the ToS to have a name of a Celebraty. Such as batman or brintey spears.

Do you know that "Mercury" has made near $1M off this thing?  It isn't his basement project anymore; it's his job.

You've made so many shady conclusions and painful semantical errors here that I don't know where to begin.  I guess the only point I'm going to try to make (as the other complaints you've ranted here seem to be silly, inconclusive and unbacked) is this: Blizzard can define whichever terms of service they want, assuming that none of them require you to break laws.  That being said, my read over of the World of Warcraft TOS (which I will admit was not fully complete) led me to believe that they were completely reasonable.

There are obvious reasons that you can't name your character after Batman and less obvious reasons that you're not allowed to name your characters after celebrities (conflict.  maybe someone names their character Justintimberlake and many people don't like him or his music.  this person may passively cause conflict simply because of his name).

You even said it yourself that you read over the ToS and even you think its incomplete thus leading to my rant about the ToS being pretty silly itself. I feel they are not giving us our Frist ammendent with this part of the ToS becuase I would love to name a charater Batman or something but since some people might be superman fans I cant do it? Come one you have to agree that sounds pretty asinine.

[Sidoh]

You even said it yourself that you read over the ToS and even you think its incomplete thus leading to my rant about the ToS being pretty silly itself. I feel they are not giving us our Frist ammendent with this part of the ToS becuase I would love to name a charater Batman or something but since some people might be superman fans I cant do it? Come one you have to agree that sounds pretty asinine.

No, I said my read over the TOS was incomplete.  If you read any further, you would have seen that I believe the World of Warcraft terms of use are completely reasonable.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Blizzard isn't congress.  They can make these rules for the same reason schools can legally disallow vulgar speech.

[dark_drake]

Blizzard isn't congress.  They can make these rules for the same reason schools can legally disallow vulgar speech.

Well, I don't think it's quite like that.  Children have a right to an education, and vulgar speech apparently interferes with that right, or something to that extent.

Blizzard can make rules using their service because they provide it. If you do not want to follow their rules, you don't have to play.  It's almost like a restaurant/stores; they have the right to deny service.  For example, you see those signs that say, "No shirt. No shoes. No service."  Technically, walking around without a shirt is freedom of expression.  Are they impeding on your first ammendment rights? Absolutely not; you don't have to use their services.  The difference is that everyone is subject to laws, and only people desiring the service are subject to the terms of that service.

At least that's how I see it.

[Sidoh]

Well, I don't think it's quite like that.  Children have a right to an education, and vulgar speech apparently interferes with that right, or something to that extent.

Blizzard can make rules using their service because they provide it. If you do not want to follow their rules, you don't have to play.  It's almost like a restaurant/stores; they have the right to deny service.  For example, you see those signs that say, "No shirt. No shoes. No service."  Technically, walking around without a shirt is freedom of expression.  Are they impeding on your first ammendment rights? Absolutely not; you don't have to use their services.  The difference is that everyone is subject to laws, and only people desiring the service are subject to the terms of that service.

At least that's how I see it.

The conclusion of your second paragraph was exactly what I was getting at.  It surely wasn't the best of analogies, but it got the point across (especially since I do not think that creating rules against vulgarity in public schools would defy the first amendment even if the argument you made didn't exist).

To be more specific, children have the right to a public education.  There are voucher programs that fund private education, but I'm unaware of one which is publicly funded that covers the full cost of tuition (the most famous one is Milwaukee Parental Choice Program, which, I think, funds up to half of the tuition of a choice private school).

[Joe]

Blizzard isn't congress.  They can make these rules for the same reason schools can legally disallow vulgar speech.

That's a bad analogy. The realms are private property -- they could very well ban you for being Jewish. Now, if I were kicked out of school for being Jewish...

[Towelie]

Blizzard isn't congress.  They can make these rules for the same reason schools can legally disallow vulgar speech.

That's a bad analogy. The realms are private property -- they could very well ban you for being Jewish. Now, if I were kicked out of school for being Jewish...

I am pretty sure they wouldn't be able to...

[Sidoh]

That's a bad analogy. The realms are private property -- they could very well ban you for being Jewish. Now, if I were kicked out of school for being Jewish...

No it's not.

It's absolutely against the law for public schools to discriminate in any way (other than academic and background records, for some obvious cases).

Having the ability to "ban" you for being Jewish is going a bit too far, I think.  Lawsuits could be filed over that.  However, religious schools can absolutely choose to accept only students of their religion assuming that they don't accept publicly funded vouchers, which was exactly my point.

[Blaze]

So... back to the topic of me getting banned -- http://maide.ca/~ian/public/wow/pictures/puntmaide.gif

[Furious]

So... back to the topic of me getting banned -- http://maide.ca/~ian/public/wow/pictures/puntmaide.gif

Lol

[Sidoh]

So... back to the topic of me getting banned -- http://maide.ca/~ian/public/wow/pictures/puntmaide.gif

Poor Maide