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[Armin]

Hunters are fun, too, but from what I've seen, they've lost their utility in end-game. If you're just going for kicks and giggles, though, they can be a lot of fun, too.

You sure? Ice traps for CC, some hunters can double ice trap, and they do DPS well.

Ice Trap has a 30 second cooldown now with a 20 second duration, good luck doubling.

http://worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html
Look at the third tier Survival talent, "Clever Traps," and the last tier Survival talent, "Readiness."

[Joe]

Bard is basically the Warrior class, right?..

Uhh, no. Learn2D&D.

Bard plays an instrument, and is for the most part worthless.

Oh, heh.

I think I mixed bard and barb. Learn2D2.

[Blaze]

No survival hunter will be let into any self-respecting guild.

20 second duration with 15% increase

20 * 1.15 = 23 seconds

30 second cooldown

30 - 23 = 7 seconds of ZOMG no double.

23 + 5 = 28

30 - 28 = 2 second of ZOMG NO DOUBLE.

Conclusion:  You have to pop a 5 minute cooldown to trap someone for < 28 seconds WITH diminishing returns.

[Armin]

My point was you could do it. Not that it would be insanely effective.

[Joe]

Conclusion:  You have to pop a 5 minute cooldown to trap someone for < 28 seconds WITH diminishing returns.

Agh! Diminishing returns is irrelevant due to the 5 minute cooldown!

[Newby]

Conclusion:  You have to pop a 5 minute cooldown to trap someone for < 28 seconds WITH diminishing returns.

Agh! Diminishing returns is irrelevant due to the 5 minute cooldown!

Death Coil has diminishing returns and it has a 3 second fear / 2 minute cooldown.

[Joe]

Yeah, but it diminishes Fear as well. They're both horror.

[Armin]

* Death Coil is now is now subject to diminishing returns in the Horror category. Currently, only Death Coil is in this category.