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Title: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 07:05:16 PM
This is an awesome article I read in Science News.  Science News is a really great magazine, by the way.  If you enjoy math/science, you should consider subscribing. :)

This article is on Number Theory and how a young mathematician figured out some proofs for old properties of quadratic equations that represent all positive integers (and all odd positive integers and prime integers, too).  I was really impressed by this.  It's only further compelled me to study Number Theory in college.

http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/Files/all_squarep1.pdf
http://sidoh.dark-wire.net/Files/all_squarep2.pdf

Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to merge the two pages without massive distortion.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Nate on March 16, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Nice.  I like how mathematicians name their work now.  The "29-step Shortcut" might intrest some people otherwise disgusted with math.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Nate on March 16, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Nice.  I like how mathematicians name their work now.  The "29-step Shortcut" might intrest some people otherwise disgusted with math.

There are lots of mathematical laws/properties that are named simple things.  It's nothing new, really.  Just because they're using familiar words doesn't mean people are going to strike up a new zest for mathematics.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: ZeroX on March 16, 2006, 10:13:30 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 09:38:40 PM
Quote from: Nate on March 16, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Nice.  I like how mathematicians name their work now.  The "29-step Shortcut" might intrest some people otherwise disgusted with math.

There are lots of mathematical laws/properties that are named simple things.  It's nothing new, really.  Just because they're using familiar words doesn't mean people are going to strike up a new zest for mathematics.

Would The Pythagorean Therom fall under that catogery?
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: ZeroX on March 16, 2006, 10:13:30 PM
Would The Pythagorean Therom fall under that catogery?

Pythagoreus isn't a very commonly used name.  Theorem isn't really either.  I was thinking more along the lines of distance formula, point-slope formula and things along these lines.

Also, number theory is a very specific niche in mathematics.  If you can't appreciate or realize (or otherwise conjure a care for) the beauty of the properties our infinite sets of numbers form, there's little reason to study it.  It's not an extremely applicable branch of mathematics.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: ZeroX on March 16, 2006, 10:32:31 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 10:27:51 PM
Quote from: ZeroX on March 16, 2006, 10:13:30 PM
Would The Pythagorean Therom fall under that catogery?

Pythagoreus isn't a very commonly used name.  Theorem isn't really either.  I was thinking more along the lines of distance formula, point-slope formula and things along these lines.

Also, number theory is a very specific niche in mathematics.  If you can't appreciate or realize (or otherwise conjure a care for) the beauty of the properties our infinite sets of numbers form, there's little reason to study it.  It's not an extremely applicable branch of mathematics.

Personally I hate math period. We were studying up on that today. I also rember Point-slope form. Y= Mx +B. I use to love solving those on a graph. But another then that it never fancy me. I like more history base classes anyways. We are currnetly studying up on WWI about the black hand. Pretty cool.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: ZeroX on March 16, 2006, 10:32:31 PM
Personally I hate math period. We were studying up on that today. I also rember Point-slope form. Y= Mx +B. I use to love solving those on a graph. But another then that it never fancy me. I like more history base classes anyways. We are currnetly studying up on WWI about the black hand. Pretty cool.

The zest for mathematics is a pretty uncommon trait.  I'm not giving you a quiz, I'm just naming a few mathematical rules/properties/sections that have common words in them.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
I've always heard point-slope form referred to as slope-internet form. :|
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
I've always heard point-slope form referred to as slope-internet form. :|

They're not the same thing.

y = mx + b isn't point-slope form.  Point-slope form is (y - y1) = m(x - x1).
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: ZeroX on March 16, 2006, 11:08:23 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
I've always heard point-slope form referred to as slope-internet form. :|

They're not the same thing.

Y = mx + b isn't point-slope form.  Point-slope form is (y - y1) = m(x - x1).

O shit. Nevermind.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:11:02 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:07:16 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:02:42 PM
I've always heard point-slope form referred to as slope-internet form. :|

They're not the same thing.

y = mx + b isn't point-slope form.  Point-slope form is (y - y1) = m(x - x1).
I assumed zero was right. I'd never heard of it. :P
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:11:02 PM
I assumed zero was right. I'd never heard of it. :P

What do you mean you assumed zero was right?  If you've never heard of it, either you don't pay attention or your books suck so much they should be illegalized.

My teacher always says that pythagorean theorem and point-slope form are the two single greatest ideas in mathematics.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Joe on March 16, 2006, 11:18:45 PM
Just a side note, you need to get away from the computer deadly. It's slope-intercept, not slope-internet. =p
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:11:02 PM
I assumed zero was right. I'd never heard of it. :P

What do you mean you assumed zero was right?  If you've never heard of it, either you don't pay attention or your books suck so much they should be illegalized.

My teacher always says that pythagorean theorem and point-slope form are the two single greatest ideas in mathematics.
I assumed ZeroX was correct (http://www.x86labs.org:81/forum/index.php/topic,5199.msg60193.html#msg60193) when he said that point-slope form is "y=mx+b."  Also, I've never heard of it, and I don't pay attention.  My books also suck ass.  College Prepatory Mathematics sucks, I hate it.  They take a billion years to explain how to move parabolas, when I figured out how to in Algebra 1 at the end of the semester.  Though, after this semester of Alg 2 (one term left, really) I don't have to use it EVER AGAIN! WOOHOOOOO! Next year I'll be in a college-ish textbook for my Honors Pre Calculus class. =)
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:21:12 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2006, 11:18:45 PM
Just a side note, you need to get away from the computer deadly. It's slope-intercept, not slope-internet. =p
Shut up, I'm tired.  I've been to sleep at 2am every day this week, and I have an intense track workout every day.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Joe on March 16, 2006, 11:22:40 PM
Then you should be passed out, not saying internet in the place of intercept! =p
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2006, 11:18:45 PM
Just a side note, you need to get away from the computer deadly. It's slope-intercept, not slope-internet. =p

Typos happen.  Just be quiet.

Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
I assumed ZeroX was correct (http://www.x86labs.org:81/forum/index.php/topic,5199.msg60193.html#msg60193) when he said that point-slope form is "y=mx+b."  Also, I've never heard of it, and I don't pay attention.

I didn't see that until after you said something, haha.

Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
My books also suck ass.  College Prepatory Mathematics sucks, I hate it.  They take a billion years to explain how to move parabolas, when I figured out how to in Algebra 1 at the end of the semester.  Though, after this semester of Alg 2 (one term left, really) I don't have to use it EVER AGAIN! WOOHOOOOO! Next year I'll be in a college-ish textbook for my Honors Pre Calculus class. =)

I gaurentee it mentions point-slope form, though. ;)

Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2006, 11:22:40 PM
Then you should be passed out, not saying internet in the place of intercept! =p

Joe, learn when to cut it out.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 17, 2006, 07:19:48 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 16, 2006, 11:28:00 PM
Quote from: Joe on March 16, 2006, 11:18:45 PM
Just a side note, you need to get away from the computer deadly. It's slope-intercept, not slope-internet. =p

Typos happen.  Just be quiet.

Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
I assumed ZeroX was correct (http://www.x86labs.org:81/forum/index.php/topic,5199.msg60193.html#msg60193) when he said that point-slope form is "y=mx+b."  Also, I've never heard of it, and I don't pay attention.

I didn't see that until after you said something, haha.

Quote from: deadly7 on March 16, 2006, 11:20:38 PM
My books also suck ass.  College Prepatory Mathematics sucks, I hate it.  They take a billion years to explain how to move parabolas, when I figured out how to in Algebra 1 at the end of the semester.  Though, after this semester of Alg 2 (one term left, really) I don't have to use it EVER AGAIN! WOOHOOOOO! Next year I'll be in a college-ish textbook for my Honors Pre Calculus class. =)

I gaurentee it mentions point-slope form, though. ;)
Not yet it hasn't.  If you learned point-slope form after logarithms (my book doesn't even go that far, logs are in book 2) then maybeeee.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 17, 2006, 07:22:21 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 17, 2006, 07:19:48 PM
Not yet it hasn't.  If you learned point-slope form after logarithms (my book doesn't even go that far, logs are in book 2) then maybeeee.

Uh... I learned point-slope form in 6th grade (pre-algebra). -_-
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 18, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
... I hate you for not having gay textbooks that you use.  In my 6th grade pre-algebra class I fucking SLEPT because we were covering basic math principles (OMG PEMDAS!!!).  I hated that class.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 18, 2006, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 18, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
... I hate you for not having gay textbooks that you use.  In my 6th grade pre-algebra class I fucking SLEPT because we were covering basic math principles (OMG PEMDAS!!!).  I hated that class.

You should look in the index of your book for point slope form.  I can't imagine it doesn't have it in there.  If not, I'll conclude that whoever bought your books was high on PCP.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: ZeroX on March 20, 2006, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 18, 2006, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 18, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
... I hate you for not having gay textbooks that you use.  In my 6th grade pre-algebra class I fucking SLEPT because we were covering basic math principles (OMG PEMDAS!!!).  I hated that class.

You should look in the index of your book for point slope form.  I can't imagine it doesn't have it in there.  If not, I'll conclude that whoever bought your books was high on PCP.

Iam in CP Geometery and we havent learned point-slope yet my man.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 20, 2006, 06:30:19 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 18, 2006, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 18, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
... I hate you for not having gay textbooks that you use.  In my 6th grade pre-algebra class I fucking SLEPT because we were covering basic math principles (OMG PEMDAS!!!).  I hated that class.

You should look in the index of your book for point slope form.  I can't imagine it doesn't have it in there.  If not, I'll conclude that whoever bought your books was high on PCP.
They're not there in my Alg-2 books.  The latter of your statements is true!!
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 20, 2006, 09:46:51 PM
Lmao, that's pretty sad.  Point-slope form is elementary linear algebra.  deadly, bust them across the face with a pipe.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: igimo1 on March 20, 2006, 10:17:51 PM
Quote from: ZeroX on March 20, 2006, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: Sidoh on March 18, 2006, 01:48:21 PM
Quote from: deadly7 on March 18, 2006, 10:29:13 AM
... I hate you for not having gay textbooks that you use.  In my 6th grade pre-algebra class I fucking SLEPT because we were covering basic math principles (OMG PEMDAS!!!).  I hated that class.

You should look in the index of your book for point slope form.  I can't imagine it doesn't have it in there.  If not, I'll conclude that whoever bought your books was high on PCP.

Iam in CP Geometery and we havent learned point-slope yet my man.

I learned point-slope in sixth grade...
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 21, 2006, 02:07:00 PM
Quote from: Topaz on March 20, 2006, 10:17:51 PM
I learned point-slope in sixth grade...

Quote from: Sidoh on March 17, 2006, 07:22:21 PM
Uh... I learned point-slope form in 6th grade (pre-algebra). -_-

I'm glad I'm not crazy or something.
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: deadly7 on March 21, 2006, 09:31:38 PM
Oh, I taught myself point-slope form! I didn't know what it was called, I was just goofing around one day in pre-pre-algebra because listening to a teacher ramble is boring as hell.

(20:39:43) Deuce: slope: 1/2
(20:39:49) Deuce: point: (2,3)
(20:39:55) Deuce: whars the equations?
(20:40:01) Deuce: wgats*
(20:40:04) Deuce: whats*
(20:40:07) deadly7: lol
(20:40:12) deadly7: that's not very hard to figure out..
(20:40:16) deadly7: Linear, right?
(20:40:21) Deuce: ya
(20:40:31) deadly7: 3= 1/2*2 +b
3= 1 + b
2 = b
(20:40:34) deadly7: y=1/2x+b
(20:41:41) Deuce: whats b
(20:41:44) deadly7: er
(20:41:45) deadly7: 2
(20:41:47) deadly7: goddamnit
(20:41:52) deadly7: I did that on a test the other day too.
(20:41:59) Deuce: lol
(20:42:08) deadly7: But yea
(20:42:11) deadly7: I've known that since Alg-1
(20:42:14) deadly7: Id idn't know wtf it was called
(20:42:16) deadly7: I figured it out. hah
(20:43:23) Deuce: what yoiu'r doing is point slope form anway
(20:43:31) deadly7: Haha cool!

;)

It's not in my Alg-2 book though. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Really Awesome Article
Post by: Sidoh on March 21, 2006, 09:39:36 PM
Teaching yourself a form of an equation is both easy and useless. :P