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Started by CrAz3D, October 20, 2008, 04:33:10 PM

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Quote from: Towelie on October 22, 2008, 05:28:27 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on October 22, 2008, 04:23:16 PM
Quote from: Towelie on October 22, 2008, 07:35:05 AM
Education isn't all about going to class to learn about something for your job. It teaches you certain ways to think, which can prove to be invaluable in ANY field you want to work in.
Critical thinking skills aren't always (usually ever) relevant in most jobs today, not unless you're in a job where you need an actual education.  Also, you can build those skills on your own rather easily.
"Critical thinking" isn't exactly what I was talking about. Either way, it is definitely relevant in any job field. You build different thought processes while gaining an education that you can't get anywhere else, so you can't really create those on your own.

Examples?

iago

Quote from: CrAz3D on October 23, 2008, 05:22:21 PM
Examples?
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.

I also learned extreme time management skills -- I was far more busy in university than I've ever been since, especially in the first couple years. I discovered that I had absolutely no free time for awhile, and learned to deal with it.

Hitmen

Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.
Something no one on this forum can understand!
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Towelie

Quote from: Hitmen on October 24, 2008, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.
Something no one on this forum can understand!
Crazed seems to come to mind in this argument :P

leet_muffin

Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on October 23, 2008, 05:22:21 PM
Examples?
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.

That's basically among the only things I got from high school that I actually value. And I've gained a new way of thinking about more practical issues which is very pragmatic/simple... It works for engineering, somehow.
The douchebag method:
Quote from: Trust on April 19, 2008, 02:58:00 AM
fuck allfo you i dont give a fuck ill fight everyone of you fuck that sbhit fuck you

iago

Quote from: leet_muffin on October 24, 2008, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on October 23, 2008, 05:22:21 PM
Examples?
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.

That's basically among the only things I got from high school that I actually value. And I've gained a new way of thinking about more practical issues which is very pragmatic/simple... It works for engineering, somehow.
I can safely say that's something I didn't get from highschool -- from highschool, I learned how to listen to authority, do what I was told, answer the way the teachers wanted you to answer, don't argue with the teachers, don't question authority, etc (those are all kind of the same thing, but they're the opposite of open mindedness)

CrAz3D

Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on October 23, 2008, 05:22:21 PM
Examples?
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.

I also learned extreme time management skills -- I was far more busy in university than I've ever been since, especially in the first couple years. I discovered that I had absolutely no free time for awhile, and learned to deal with it.


That appears to be lacking at my university.  If anything, I've learned very biased (left) positions on issues, and have classes that are arranged so that it generally does not matter if I attend, aside from test dates.
You might call me out on my leftist comment, and I'd generally agree, but I have one professor who does conveniently omit facts from cases (I generally take law related classed) that twist the _entire_ meaning of the case.  She is so biased in what she teaches it surprises me (and I', not usually too surprised on campus, because I know the generally population leans left).

Quote from: Towelie on October 24, 2008, 11:20:58 AM
Quote from: Hitmen on October 24, 2008, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.
Something no one on this forum can understand!
Crazed seems to come to mind in this argument :P
Actually, I'm very much so the most open minded person I know.  I argue hard-right here, and hard-left at my truck forums, but pretty moderate at my gun site.  I argue for the pure enjoyment of argument.  I'm a very pragmatic person.

I think Obama's best policy is his health insurance proposition.  It makes sense.  It's very much like the french system.  I love the french health system (yes, I just said I like something french)


Quote from: iago on October 24, 2008, 12:04:26 PM
Quote from: leet_muffin on October 24, 2008, 11:44:19 AM
Quote from: iago on October 23, 2008, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on October 23, 2008, 05:22:21 PM
Examples?
One of the biggest things I learned in school was open mindedness -- how to listen to an argument or somebody else's belief in the context it's presented in, and to support/debate it. That's something that's extremely important.

That's basically among the only things I got from high school that I actually value. And I've gained a new way of thinking about more practical issues which is very pragmatic/simple... It works for engineering, somehow.
I can safely say that's something I didn't get from highschool -- from highschool, I learned how to listen to authority, do what I was told, answer the way the teachers wanted you to answer, don't argue with the teachers, don't question authority, etc (those are all kind of the same thing, but they're the opposite of open mindedness)

high school taught me jack shit, I didnt pay attention because I was too bored.

University taught me that "everyone lies to you."  I'm skeptical of what everyone tells me.  Unless I see basic & hard facts infront of me, I'm going to second guess what I'm told.

Hitmen

Quote from: CrAz3D on October 26, 2008, 04:08:18 AM
I think Obama's best policy is his health insurance proposition.  It makes sense.  It's very much like the french system.  I love the french health system (yes, I just said I like something french)
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