Vegan

[Sidoh]

I personally don't but others do and you can't say they're wrong because it's subjective.

I'd hope everyone here recognizes it.  That doesn't mean you can't say they're immoral, though.

I personally don't think that argument is cogent, even if you do discount the obvious moral dilemmas it brings up.

[Ender]

Morals are subjective.

How is this relevant?

The point everyone has been ANTAGONIZING over is that morals are part of cost-benefit analysis for those who are not totally devoid of morals.

There's nothing objective about cost-benefit analysis. It decides what's best for you. It's inherently subjective, since different people give different weight to certain costs.

By the way, don't dodge this and go into a side argument about the subjectivity/objectivity of cost-benefit analysis. As I said, it's completely IRRELEVANT. I only brought it up to clear up your misconceptions.

[CrAz3D]

cost/benefit isnt very useful if it's based on something subjective

[Ender]

It's useful for you.

And if you make assumptions, you can call it objective and use it for other people.

By the way, did you read this?

By the way, don't dodge this and go into a side argument about the subjectivity/objectivity of cost-benefit analysis. As I said, it's completely IRRELEVANT. I only brought it up to clear up your misconceptions.

You just brought it up again. I give up on you.

[iago]

It's useful for you.

Exactly, it's a personal thing.

Like somebody else said, the value of money is subjective, too. I personally value health and happiness far more than money

[Blaze]

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[Sidoh]

cost/benefit isnt very useful if it's based on something subjective

Man, you're missing what we're saying.

Every decision you make in your life is based on weighing costs and benefits.  It doesn't matter if you include things that are subjective in your decisions.  It's important to point out opinionated statements in arguments that try to make general conclusions, but that's not what's happening here.  iago is going through the costs and benefits that he's seen in the vegan lifestyle.  He's not trying to convince anyone that his arguments are generally true or that his conclusions should be accepted by everyone.

Aside from that, an argument can still include premises lightly subjective, make a general conclusion and be legitimately be called a cogent argument.  Classifying something as subjective doesn't automatically mean that it isn't acceptable to most people.  For example, most people would agree that murder is bad.  This is obviously a lightly subjective claim, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in an argument.

I also completely agree with what Ender said.  You seem to consistently dodge what we're saying.

[Ender]

Yeah, I so called that he would do that. :P

[CrAz3D]

cost/benefit isnt very useful if it's based on something subjective

Man, you're missing what we're saying.

Every decision you make in your life is based on weighing costs and benefits.  It doesn't matter if you include things that are subjective in your decisions.  It's important to point out opinionated statements in arguments that try to make general conclusions, but that's not what's happening here.  iago is going through the costs and benefits that he's seen in the vegan lifestyle.  He's not trying to convince anyone that his arguments are generally true or that his conclusions should be accepted by everyone.

Aside from that, an argument can still include premises lightly subjective, make a general conclusion and be legitimately be called a cogent argument.  Classifying something as subjective doesn't automatically mean that it isn't acceptable to most people.  For example, most people would agree that murder is bad.  This is obviously a lightly subjective claim, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in an argument.

I also completely agree with what Ender said.  You seem to consistently dodge what we're saying.

Meat isn't good for you.

That doesn't seem like him saying "I'm a vegan, yay" it sounds more like "I'm a vegan and you guys are gonna die cause you eat tainted meat"

[Sidoh]

cost/benefit isnt very useful if it's based on something subjective

Man, you're missing what we're saying.

Every decision you make in your life is based on weighing costs and benefits.  It doesn't matter if you include things that are subjective in your decisions.  It's important to point out opinionated statements in arguments that try to make general conclusions, but that's not what's happening here.  iago is going through the costs and benefits that he's seen in the vegan lifestyle.  He's not trying to convince anyone that his arguments are generally true or that his conclusions should be accepted by everyone.

Aside from that, an argument can still include premises lightly subjective, make a general conclusion and be legitimately be called a cogent argument.  Classifying something as subjective doesn't automatically mean that it isn't acceptable to most people.  For example, most people would agree that murder is bad.  This is obviously a lightly subjective claim, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in an argument.

I also completely agree with what Ender said.  You seem to consistently dodge what we're saying.

Meat isn't good for you.

That doesn't seem like him saying "I'm a vegan, yay" it sounds more like "I'm a vegan and you guys are gonna die cause you eat tainted meat"

They just have to plan their diet more carefully. I'm not telling you to change what you do, though, people asked me questions and I answered. I'm not trying to change anybody's minds.

[iago]

That doesn't seem like him saying "I'm a vegan, yay" it sounds more like "I'm a vegan and you guys are gonna die cause you eat tainted meat"

No, I said that people should be aware that there is a risk involved with eating meat, and that they be aware of it when they make the choice to eat it.

I personally evaluated that that risk, combined with my feelings about animals (yes, I include others besides my self in my cost-benefit analyses), isn't sufficient for me to continue eating meat/dairy/eggs.

[Krazed]

That doesn't seem like him saying "I'm a vegan, yay" it sounds more like "I'm a vegan and you guys are gonna die cause you eat tainted meat"

No, I said that people should be aware that there is a risk involved with eating meat, and that they be aware of it when they make the choice to eat it.

I personally evaluated that that risk, combined with my feelings about animals (yes, I include others besides my self in my cost-benefit analyses), isn't sufficient for me to continue eating meat/dairy/eggs.

;)

[topaz~]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to share with all of you some exciting things I learned this week. Research has definitively proven that there are health risks involved with eating all types of foods. The only conclusion that can be made is that we must stop eating! Otherwise, we might be at risk of DYING!

[Sidoh]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to share with all of you some exciting things I learned this week. Research has definitively proven that there are health risks involved with eating all types of foods. The only conclusion that can be made is that we must stop eating! Otherwise, we might be at risk of DYING!

Even crazed already tried to make that argument.  It doesn't make sense for obvious reasons.

[CrAz3D]

Hello everyone! I just wanted to share with all of you some exciting things I learned this week. Research has definitively proven that there are health risks involved with eating all types of foods. The only conclusion that can be made is that we must stop eating! Otherwise, we might be at risk of DYING!

Even crazed already tried to make that argument.  It doesn't make sense for obvious reasons.

Yes it does, but whatever.

If igimo and I are agreeing you KNOW it has to be valid ;D!