Concealed weapons: good/bad?

[rabbit]

Making ridiculous arguments 1.) doesn't serve the intellectual discussion, 2.) doesn't serve your side of the argument, and 3.) just makes CrAz3D continue to act like a total fucking douchebag moron.

Why haven't you said that to CrAz3D yet?

[MyndFyre]

Making ridiculous arguments 1.) doesn't serve the intellectual discussion, 2.) doesn't serve your side of the argument, and 3.) just makes CrAz3D continue to act like a total fucking douchebag moron.

Why haven't you said that to CrAz3D yet?

Because I don't even bother reading his bullshit.

[CrAz3D]

Making ridiculous arguments 1.) doesn't serve the intellectual discussion, 2.) doesn't serve your side of the argument, and 3.) just makes CrAz3D continue to act like a total fucking douchebag moron.

Why haven't you
said that to CrAz3D yet?

Because I don't even bother reading his bullshit.

You and me both brotha

[Explicit]

Because I don't even bother reading his bullshit.

By far the most logical post in this entire thread.

MyndFyre wins, hands down.

[CrAz3D]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

[rabbit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

Sorry, we're all in Pakistan.

[MyndFyre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

Sorry, we're all in Pakistan.

Oh, I see.  Media says something that you don't agree with, so you don't watch it.  You don't attempt to make any kind of educated argument against it, you just pout.  Effective!  I feel swayed by your unmoving standpoint.

[iago]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

I like the graph they showed:



Reminds me of...

2) When guns are initially banned, even if there is an amnesty on turning them in, there will almost certainly be a rise in gun crimes in the short term, for the reasons that you said. However, if it's difficult to obtain them for a long period of time, I think that crime will fall. Guns don't last forever. Is a short period of more pain worth a long period of less pain? Dunno.

In fact, it exactly follows the pattern I suggested. I'd be interested to see where those numbers are in 15 - 20 years from now.


As to the video itself, it basically repeats what pro-gun people always say, doesn't counter any of the standard counter-arguments.

[CrAz3D]

In the short term?  I don't see how banning guns in 1975 and crime rising steadily for 15 years and then SPIKING DRAMATICALLY is a "rise in the short term."

[Sidoh]

In the short term?  I don't see how banning guns in 1975 and crime rising steadily for 15 years and then SPIKING DRAMATICALLY is a "rise in the short term."

You clearly don't think like an economist. :P

[iago]

In the short term?  I don't see how banning guns in 1975 and crime rising steadily for 15 years and then SPIKING DRAMATICALLY is a "rise in the short term."

Human civilization is tens of thousands of years old. You said that a gun could easily last a few decades. I'd call 15 years a short term rise. That's simply semantics.

In any case, I wouldn't trust the scale on the map -- it seems to have more than one 1995 and 2002. My point is that it totally lined up with the pattern that I reasoned.

[CrAz3D]

That's not gun crimes, that's violence that they mentioned in the video.  Being that there are naturally going to be fewer guns available it seems interesting that violence would spike like that.

It isn't gun crimes (like possession), they mentioned violence.

[topaz~]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/03/09/gun.ban.ruling/index.html

[CrAz3D]

That case is set to be ruled on in Marchof this year in the Supreme Court

[rabbit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyoLuTjguJA

Sorry, we're all in Pakistan.

Oh, I see.  Media says something that you don't agree with, so you don't watch it.  You don't attempt to make any kind of educated argument against it, you just pout.  Effective!  I feel swayed by your unmoving standpoint.

Go buy a sense of humor, commie!  I didn't have time to watch it, and what's more, all he did was post a link.  No short little sentence or anything about it, just a link to a video.  He didn't even embed it!