Microsoft vs. * Antispyware/Antivirus programs?

[Ergot]

There's a difference between forcing and making it availible by default :P
I find nothing wrong with making it availible, however, when it is the ONLY one then we have a problem.

Metal: Just erase his other lines...
Newby: Damn you're a fast poster.

[drka]

all or most companies that sell computers will most likely have it pre-installed. i just hope it can be uninstalled so it doesnt become difficult to remove(I know Windows Messenger is)

@Newby: well i did change my title(both titles accually) :P

[Armin]

There's a difference between forcing and making it availible by default Tongue
I find nothing wrong with making it availible, however, when it is the ONLY one then we have a problem.

Yes, and we were argueing about whether or not it'd be illegal if Microsoft did force it, and also making it so you could not install other anti-viruses.

Metal: Just erase his other lines...

I didn't actually say it so I could quote him, I was indirectly saying what he said is rediculous.

[Sidoh]

In my opinion, they do have at least a moderately strong monopoly because they are represented more to the general public.

[Armin]

I'd put money on the number of computers having Windows installed rather than other operating systems being around 70%-80%+.

[Sidoh]

Hahaha, Newby made your sig.

But yeah, they don't have a complete monopoly, Newby's correct in thant sense.

[Armin]

But yeah, they don't have a complete monopoly, Newby's correct in thant sense.

Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly.

That's not what Newby said.

[Newby]

But yeah, they don't have a complete monopoly, Newby's correct in thant sense.

Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly.

That's not what Newby said.

You told me to say that. I humored you. :P

[Armin]

Here's before I told you to say it in 1 line.

They don't have a monopoly!

"They" is referring to Microsoft.

[Newby]

How come Sidoh interpreted what I posted as me stating they didn't have a complete monopoly? :P

[iago]

If I made a business that sold cans specifically designed to hold coca-cola beverages, and they decided to make their own beverage holders, there isn't much I can really do. I could sue, but they'd laugh at me.

If Microsoft stopped using CD-ROMs to distribute Windows, I doubt they'd get sued. 

The idea is having a service that everybody uses (fine, Coke).  Then, you have lots of major companies develop products revolving around the product.  Say, straw makers and ice cube makers (ignore the fact that they can be used for other drinks for now :P).  The companies' businesses revolve purely around your product.  Then, you decide to start including ice cubes and straws with your product, effectively driving all the other companies into bankruptcy. 

That's pretty much what this is: if Microsoft has a good anti-virus product included in the OS, then all the companies that provide them will likely not survive.  That's scary. 

[Sidoh]

How come Sidoh interpreted what I posted as me stating they didn't have a complete monopoly? :P

Beacuse I'm using intuition to implement the fact that you probably know Microsoft does have a monopoly.

[iago]

By the way, there is (apparently) only a single definition for Monopoly:

(Noun) monopoly
  1. A situation where there is only one company is providing a certain product or service. The company gets to choose the price it wants.

Interpret that how you want :P

[Newby]

Thus, I win.

[Sidoh]

God damn fucking gay stupid bitching internet explorer crashed.  I can't stand Firefox either though.. :(

ahem *tries to reform post*

Haha.  Assuming that is the unarguably correct definition, newby is completely right.