OpenBSD :(

[Eric]

http://news.com.com/OpenBSD+founder+makes+funding+plea/2100-7344_3-6053096.html?tag=nl

[Furious]

Sucks, hopefully people will start donating to support the cause.

[Newby]

Just one reason that closed source is better. People take advantage of the good nature of open-source, free products. :(

[DeploY]

Government doesn't help that organization???
They should... :o

[MyndFyre]

Government doesn't help that organization???
They should... :o

Why should taxpayers pay to support an organization that only a few people will ever glean direct benefit from?  If they can't compete with others in the marketplace, the organization shouldn't keep existing.  It's nothing more than Darwinian economics.  If you think the organization should stay afloat, donate the money yourself.

I can see we gained a new liberal.  Joy of joys.

[AntiVirus]

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Government doesn't help that organization???
They should... :o

Why should taxpayers pay to support an organization that only a few people will ever glean direct benefit from?  If they can't compete with others in the marketplace, the organization shouldn't keep existing.  It's nothing more than Darwinian economics.  If you think the organization should stay afloat, donate the money yourself.

I can see we gained a new liberal.  Joy of joys.

<3.  I complete agree with you MyndFyre. :D

[Eric]

Just one reason that closed source is better. People take advantage of the good nature of open-source, free products. :(

That doesn't mean closed source projects are better.  It only means people suck.  I'm just hoping that this isn't a foreshadow of what lies in the near future for bsd and other followers of the free distribution and open source movements.  Unfortunately, I can't afford to donate, but I definately would if I could.  It's a shame that the major companies that use their products don't contribute more..

[Newby]

It probably is. People mooching is getting worse and worse. It's starting small (BitTorrent and piracy and such, stuff that doesn't matter in life; I am capable of getting a 10:1 ratio on torrents and still be the only seed on the entire torrent...which is pathetic) but it's just a foreshadow of what's to come. :/

[igimo1]

* Predicts other open source projects begin donating excess funds into OpenBSD/OpenSSH

[iago]

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Government doesn't help that organization???
They should... :o

Why should taxpayers pay to support an organization that only a few people will ever glean direct benefit from?  If they can't compete with others in the marketplace, the organization shouldn't keep existing.  It's nothing more than Darwinian economics.  If you think the organization should stay afloat, donate the money yourself.

I can see we gained a new liberal.  Joy of joys.

"Only a few people"?  Are you insane?

[deadly7]

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Government doesn't help that organization???
They should... :o

Why should taxpayers pay to support an organization that only a few people will ever glean direct benefit from?  If they can't compete with others in the marketplace, the organization shouldn't keep existing.  It's nothing more than Darwinian economics.  If you think the organization should stay afloat, donate the money yourself.

I can see we gained a new liberal.  Joy of joys.

"Only a few people"?  Are you insane?

That's what I was thinking..  Let's start with major servers and things internally handled by an IT department.  I would be willing to wager OpenBSD is used quite a bit because of its security, if nothing else.

[MyndFyre]

"Only a few people"?  Are you insane?

I was speaking relatively.

If it is used (for free) by any (and I mean *any*) major corporation, that corporation could *EASILY* support a $200,000/yr enterprise, particularly if they're only paying half of that.  Then the corporation could get a tax write-off and the bonus of being able to ask to have a "funds generously donated by XXX" (not porn) in some dialog or packaging.

And I attempted to qualify that people *directly* use it, by which I mean to say that internet servers that I use, even if they're OpenBSD, unless I'm shelling to them, I'm not directly using them, but using them through a web application.

[Hitmen]

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If it is used (for free) by any (and I mean *any*) major corporation, that corporation could *EASILY* support a $200,000/yr enterprise, particularly if they're only paying half of that.  Then the corporation could get a tax write-off and the bonus of being able to ask to have a "funds generously donated by XXX" (not porn) in some dialog or packaging.

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Why should taxpayers pay to support an organization that only a few people will ever glean direct benefit from?

Does not compute. If the company writes it off their taxes, it's the same as the government supporting them directly, only instead of giving the money to organization directly, they're taking it out of what a company would have to pay them. Same net loss.

[MyndFyre]

Does not compute. If the company writes it off their taxes, it's the same as the government supporting them directly, only instead of giving the money to organization directly, they're taking it out of what a company would have to pay them. Same net loss.

OK, so what you're saying is that you don't know how taxes work.

Company A makes US$15m.  They donate US$50k to the OpenBSD project.

They report to the government that they made US$14,950,000 for the year.  Income is then taxed based on that figure.

Do you know why that's how it works?

Because they effectively *didn't* make that money.

Now, if you want to argue over government policy regarding taxes for non-profit organizations, that's another debate.

[iago]

Incidentall, OpenBSD has brought us such software as OpenSSH.  OpenSSH is used in UNIX, Linux, BSD, and most networking equipment (routers, switches, etc.) that aren't made by Cisco.  That's quite a lot.