Stunlock

[Joe]

Ever dueled a rogue? You've probably been on the receiving end of a stunlock. I personally think that it's totally bullshit that rogues can do that. Does anyone disagree?

[Sidoh]

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Ever dueled a rogue? You've probably been on the receiving end of a stunlock. I personally think that it's totally bullshit that rogues can do that. Does anyone disagree?

Cry more or take Fear and Death Coil off of your toolbar.  Stun Lock is totally balanced and fair.  You should have had your Succubus out to seduce the Rogue.

[Joe]

The combination of having Stealth and Backstab is what makes rogues deadly. Also, Fear and Death Coil suck from diminishing returns.

[Sidoh]

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The combination of having Stealth and Backstab is what makes rogues deadly. Also, Fear and Death Coil suck from diminishing returns.

Death Coil is on a seperate immunity timer, and since it has a 2 minute cooldown, you'll never have to worry about diminishing returns.  All you have to do when you're dueling a rogue is hop around pressing the target and death coil keys.  When it hits him, you run back a bit, fear him, cast dots and keep fear on for as long as possible.  When it's no longer a possibility, you just run around so he can't get to you.  Warlocks are overpowered one on one, but a good Rogue still stands a damn good chance.

In addition, stuns have diminishing returns.  To stun lock a Warlock, I'd generally do this:

  Cheap Shot (2 combo points, 4 seconds)
  A few sinister strikes (Two, for an additional 2 combo points)
  Gouge (another combo point, 4 second stun)
  Kidney Punch (6 seconds with the 5 combo points obtained)
  Sinister Strike until you're dead.

I'm a sword Rogue, which means I don't use backstab.  It's a disadvantage when fighting clothies, but it makes me much more versatile in both PvE and PvP (in most cases, anyway).

I'm fairly confident I could beat a same-level Rogue on my Warlock once I got back in the swing.  ( My Warlock is level 51 ).

[Joe]

In a warlock versus rogue duel, basically whoever gets the first stun/fear shot off wins. I guess stunlock itself isn't as bad as I made it out to be, but the way rogues start it off is. They click accept and stealth, garanteeing themself to have won the duel already, unless you brilliantly use perception and death coil them when they're in Stealth. Of course, they'll challenge you to a rematch and preception is still cooling down..

[Furious]

Fear is gay.  Only way I've beaten a Warlock in PvP was because I stunned him in some way and then just unleashed on him, even then it usually takes some time because I get Fear'd and have to sprint back to his dumb ass.  >:(

[Sidoh]

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In a warlock versus rogue duel, basically whoever gets the first stun/fear shot off wins. I guess stunlock itself isn't as bad as I made it out to be, but the way rogues start it off is. They click accept and stealth, garanteeing themself to have won the duel already, unless you brilliantly use perception and death coil them when they're in Stealth. Of course, they'll challenge you to a rematch and preception is still cooling down..

Get better gear and survive longer.  I still think you suck at dueling.

My message to you, Joe: QQ.

Fear is gay.  Only way I've beaten a Warlock in PvP was because I stunned him in some way and then just unleashed on him, even then it usually takes some time because I get Fear'd and have to sprint back to his dumb ass.  >:(

Warlocks are annoying, but they're much easier for me to beat on a Rogue than mages.  With an ice mage, I can't even break through their fucking barrier.

[Furious]

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In a warlock versus rogue duel, basically whoever gets the first stun/fear shot off wins. I guess stunlock itself isn't as bad as I made it out to be, but the way rogues start it off is. They click accept and stealth, garanteeing themself to have won the duel already, unless you brilliantly use perception and death coil them when they're in Stealth. Of course, they'll challenge you to a rematch and preception is still cooling down..

Get better gear and survive longer.  I still think you suck at dueling.

My message to you, Joe: QQ.

Fear is gay.  Only way I've beaten a Warlock in PvP was because I stunned him in some way and then just unleashed on him, even then it usually takes some time because I get Fear'd and have to sprint back to his dumb ass.  >:(

Warlocks are annoying, but they're much easier for me to beat on a Rogue than mages.  With an ice mage, I can't even break through their fucking barrier.

Agreed.

[Screenor]

When patch 1.12 goes into public testing, we're all going to copy our characters over and just settle all this annoying shit finally.

[Joe]

I hate the PTR.

1. Crashing.
2. I'll have to download the patch TWICE.

[Screenor]

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I hate the PTR.

1. Crashing.
2. I'll have to download the patch TWICE.

L2internet.

[Joe]

Tell Blizzard to L2program, to fix 1.

[Sidoh]

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Tell Blizzard to L2program, to fix 1.

Imperfections are inevitable in an enourmously complex application such as Massively Online Multiplayer game.

[Blaze]

Iceblock, Blink, CoC, Arcane Explosion + Fireblast

or the smarter way of doing it,

Iceblock, Blink, Ice Barrier, Cast, wait till vanish, Frost Nova, Frostbolt+CoC double crit pwn.

[Sidoh]

Iceblock, Blink, CoC, Arcane Explosion + Fireblast

or the smarter way of doing it,

Iceblock, Blink, Ice Barrier, Cast, wait till vanish, Frost Nova, Frostbolt+CoC double crit pwn.

Dueling Rogues as a mage almost always entails an inevitable win, but try my priest on for a change... :P