I am just curious

[AntiVirus]

I don't know anymore.  I mean, I believe in him, but.......  I don't know.

[wires]

Yes.  However I don't believe in what many denominations teach, especially things that are clearly stated in the Bible.

You should not align yourself with any specific denomination other than that of Christ's Ministry, often times referred to as Christianity. Factions within the Church (assembly of believers, not necessarily a building) lead to futility, and are not what has been taught to us. You will however naturally [thanks to the Spirit] start to live your life according to the divine words of wisdom found inside the Bible, if you whole heartedly devout your life to Christ. This does not however mean that you will live a boring, uneventful life, which has been portrayed by much of society. The way I dress, the types of music I listen too, the things I like to do for fun has, for the most part, stayed the same since I accepted Christ as my Lord. The only real difference is I no longer have conflict of conscious going on inside of me, and this has lead to my overall happiness and well-being.

Yes, I agree.  I don't think it matters how you live your life as long as you believe in Christ like you've said.  Many people would disagree, especially people at my church who are total hypocrites.

Well, bibically, it does matter how you live your life. If you truly believe Christ died for your sins and you are so thankful/sorrowful (which leads to the acceptance of Christ into your life) for it, why would you continue to commit the same sins that Christ had to die for? I'm not saying that once you become a Christian, you are automatically sinless. However, the moment you become a Christian, you should strive to fight off the constant temptation and sin.

Additionally, Christ is as far from sin as possible.

I'm not the best person at wording things, however what I'm trying to say is that I agree with Tuberload that most of my life has stayed the same even though I believe in God.  It'd probably be the same if I didn't believe in God.

Everyone sins even if they don't know that they have, nobody is perfect.

[rabbit]

Yes.  However I don't believe in what many denominations teach, especially things that are clearly stated in the Bible.

You should not align yourself with any specific denomination other than that of Christ's Ministry, often times referred to as Christianity. Factions within the Church (assembly of believers, not necessarily a building) lead to futility, and are not what has been taught to us. You will however naturally [thanks to the Spirit] start to live your life according to the divine words of wisdom found inside the Bible, if you whole heartedly devout your life to Christ. This does not however mean that you will live a boring, uneventful life, which has been portrayed by much of society. The way I dress, the types of music I listen too, the things I like to do for fun has, for the most part, stayed the same since I accepted Christ as my Lord. The only real difference is I no longer have conflict of conscious going on inside of me, and this has lead to my overall happiness and well-being.

Yes, I agree.  I don't think it matters how you live your life as long as you believe in Christ like you've said.  Many people would disagree, especially people at my church who are total hypocrites.

Well, bibically, it does matter how you live your life. If you truly believe Christ died for your sins and you are so thankful/sorrowful (which leads to the acceptance of Christ into your life) for it, why would you continue to commit the same sins that Christ had to die for? I'm not saying that once you become a Christian, you are automatically sinless. However, the moment you become a Christian, you should strive to fight off the constant temptation and sin.

Additionally, Christ is as far from sin as possible.

If everyone accepted Christ and never sinned, then Jesus died for nothing.

[Sidoh]

If everyone accepted Christ and never sinned, then Jesus died for nothing.

Incorrect.  Jesus died for the sins of all, not for the ones who won't recieve salvation.

As I already mentioned, salvation requires:
-- True belief in Jesus Christ as the son of God.
-- Absolute repentance of all of your sins

If everyone was sinless, Jesus would have died for nothing.

[wires]

If everyone was sinless, Jesus would have never died.

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Yes.  However I don't believe in what many denominations teach, especially things that are clearly stated in the Bible.

You should not align yourself with any specific denomination other than that of Christ's Ministry, often times referred to as Christianity. Factions within the Church (assembly of believers, not necessarily a building) lead to futility, and are not what has been taught to us. You will however naturally [thanks to the Spirit] start to live your life according to the divine words of wisdom found inside the Bible, if you whole heartedly devout your life to Christ. This does not however mean that you will live a boring, uneventful life, which has been portrayed by much of society. The way I dress, the types of music I listen too, the things I like to do for fun has, for the most part, stayed the same since I accepted Christ as my Lord. The only real difference is I no longer have conflict of conscious going on inside of me, and this has lead to my overall happiness and well-being.

Yes, I agree.  I don't think it matters how you live your life as long as you believe in Christ like you've said.  Many people would disagree, especially people at my church who are total hypocrites.

Well, bibically, it does matter how you live your life. If you truly believe Christ died for your sins and you are so thankful/sorrowful (which leads to the acceptance of Christ into your life) for it, why would you continue to commit the same sins that Christ had to die for? I'm not saying that once you become a Christian, you are automatically sinless. However, the moment you become a Christian, you should strive to fight off the constant temptation and sin.

Additionally, Christ is as far from sin as possible.

I'm not the best person at wording things, however what I'm trying to say is that I agree with Tuberload that most of my life has stayed the same even though I believe in God.  It'd probably be the same if I didn't believe in God.

Everyone sins even if they don't know that they have, nobody is perfect.

Haha, don't worry about it, I suck at wording things, too. Do you just believe in God or are you Christian? There is a misconception that if you believe in the Christian God, you are Christian, however, that is not the case, once you recieve salvation, then are you a Christian. If you claim you are a Christian and your life does not begin to change, then I have doubts about whether or not that what you claim is true or not.

@rabbit: When you repent your sins, you are acknowledging that you have sinned. You don't sin and just say, "Oh, Jesus died for my sins, so I don't need to bother to repent."
Since Christ Jesus died for our sins, God, the father, looks at us sinless. Jesus, basically, made us a bridge for us to enter the Kingdom of Heaven when he died for us.

[rabbit]

I meant if nobody ever sinned, not if they sinned and said "O Jesus is my savior, so I can do whatever I want".  Sheesh.

[trust]

I do.

[MyndFyre]

If everyone accepted Christ and never sinned, then Jesus died for nothing.

You have a logical error.

Christ died -> Forgave all sins for those who believed -> No sinners -> Christ died for nothing?

Your premise is faulty.

[Kaleeko]

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If everyone accepted Christ and never sinned, then Jesus died for nothing.

You have a logical error.

Christ died -> Forgave all sins for those who believed -> No sinners -> Christ died for nothing?

Your premise is faulty.

Mainly because there is absolutely no way for humans not to sin. Sin is "turning away from God". Something that people cannot help but do, despite how hard they try. Any attempt to think that someone *can* make a difference in their salvation is called "works righteousness". While some people believe it's possible, my understanding is that it only brings people further from God, because once you start relying on yourself instead of God, you leave yourself open to lose your salvation.

[MyndFyre]

Mainly because there is absolutely no way for humans not to sin. Sin is "turning away from God". Something that people cannot help but do, despite how hard they try. Any attempt to think that someone *can* make a difference in their salvation is called "works righteousness". While some people believe it's possible, my understanding is that it only brings people further from God, because once you start relying on yourself instead of God, you leave yourself open to lose your salvation.

Well, I don't believe that it's possible to "lose" your salvation (which is a worthy topic to split into its own thread). 

The real crux of the matter, I think, is human pride.

Human pride causes people to think they know better for themselves than God.  They know their lives better than God.  They know what's good better than God.

Jesus said the most important two things were to love God and to love others, and that *all* of the rest of the law was derived from those.  Love in the way that the Bible instructs is incompatible with pride.

[rabbit]

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The real crux of the matter, I think, is human pride.

Human pride causes people to think they know better for themselves than God.

That is why Pride is one of the seven deadly sins.

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Mainly because there is absolutely no way for humans not to sin. Sin is "turning away from God". Something that people cannot help but do, despite how hard they try. Any attempt to think that someone *can* make a difference in their salvation is called "works righteousness". While some people believe it's possible, my understanding is that it only brings people further from God, because once you start relying on yourself instead of God, you leave yourself open to lose your salvation.

Well, I don't believe that it's possible to "lose" your salvation (which is a worthy topic to split into its own thread). 

The real crux of the matter, I think, is human pride.

Human pride causes people to think they know better for themselves than God.  They know their lives better than God.  They know what's good better than God.

Jesus said the most important two things were to love God and to love others, and that *all* of the rest of the law was derived from those.  Love in the way that the Bible instructs is incompatible with pride.

You can lose your salvation. My pastor mentioned this in one of his messages. I believe if you truly say you don't need God, you would lose it.

I think a major thing preventing people is the fact that people don't think they are that sinful, so thus, not needing God.

[MyndFyre]

You can lose your salvation. My pastor mentioned this in one of his messages. I believe if you truly say you don't need God, you would lose it.

You'll forgive me if I don't accept your pastor as authoritative?

[leet_muffin]

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You can lose your salvation. My pastor mentioned this in one of his messages. I believe if you truly say you don't need God, you would lose it.

You'll forgive me if I don't accept your pastor as authoritative?

I will honor you for it. =)