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Started by Rule, July 16, 2006, 11:00:47 PM

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Sidoh

Quote from: dark_drake on July 17, 2006, 10:25:05 PM
If you were able to go faster than the speed of light, would you back in time? :-\

I'm pretty sure the equations for special relativity explode when you try to calculate for anything >1c (ie, devide by zero).

deadly7

Quote from: dark_drake on July 17, 2006, 10:25:05 PM
If you were able to go faster than the speed of light, would you back in time? :-\
According to Orson Scott Card you'd just not age.
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Sidoh

Quote from: deadly7 on July 17, 2006, 10:44:20 PM
According to Orson Scott Card you'd just not age.

In the sense that the world would end before you died in your frame of reference from aging, yeah...

Eric

Quote from: dark_drake on July 17, 2006, 10:25:05 PM
If you were able to go faster than the speed of light, would you back in time? :-\

If you were to leave frame of reference A traveling faster than the speed of light, you could reach frame of reference B before the light from reference A arrived and thus, travel "back" in time.

Sidoh

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Quote from: Lord[nK] on July 17, 2006, 11:41:30 PM
If you were to leave frame of reference A traveling faster than the speed of light, you could reach frame of reference B before the light from reference A arrived and thus, travel "back" in time.

To anything traveling at the speed of light, the span of the Universe is infinitely short.  So, as a Photon sees it, the Universe is created and destroyed in literally no time at all.

(( I said the span was infinite... I meant infinitely short >_> ))

Nate

You guys just throw out random statements.  Going faster than the Speed of Light is not time travel, its going faster than the speed of light.  All that would happen is you would be  darkness in reference to any light source. 

dark_drake

Quote from: Nate on July 18, 2006, 02:36:31 PM
You guys just throw out random statements.  Going faster than the Speed of Light is not time travel, its going faster than the speed of light.  All that would happen is you would be  darkness in reference to any light source. 
Would you mind proving it?  :P
errr... something like that...

Sidoh

Quote from: Nate on July 18, 2006, 02:36:31 PM
You guys just throw out random statements.  Going faster than the Speed of Light is not time travel, its going faster than the speed of light.  All that would happen is you would be  darkness in reference to any light source. 

I'm certain that there would be other consequences, considering the properties of time in the reference frame of anything traveling at the speed of light...

Nate

Time as you understand it is the measure of the rate at which the earth turns, and its not even a very good measurement, if you can give me a better definition then by all means show me your genious.  Your all smart but no one here has a degree in theoretical physics or the like.

Rule

Quote from: Nate on July 18, 2006, 07:04:51 PM
Time as you understand it is the measure of the rate at which the earth turns, and its not even a very good measurement, if you can give me a better definition then by all means show me your genious.  Your all smart but no one here has a degree in theoretical physics or the like.

An atomic clock would be a much better measurement of "ticking."  You're all wrong in some ways, but some interesting spin-off ideas have been brought up :P.  More later.

Sty

The laws of science do not distinguish between the forward and backward directions of time -- yet they do distinguish the past from the future (time increases as disorder increases). There are some solutions to the equations of General Relativity which would allow for travel back and forth in time....(1) would require that you move faster than the speed of light, but we know that this cannot be done; (2) would require space-time to be very warped and a sort of "tunnel" between two space-time points to be present (called a "wormhole").

dark_drake

Quote from: Nate on July 18, 2006, 07:04:51 PM
Time as you understand it is the measure of the rate at which the earth turns, and its not even a very good measurement, if you can give me a better definition then by all means show me your genious.  Your all smart but no one here has a degree in theoretical physics or the like.
That's how we measure time. I believe time is the progression of existence and events in the past, present, and future taken as a whole.
errr... something like that...

Rule

Quote from: Sty on July 18, 2006, 07:24:47 PM
(2) would require space-time to be very warped and a sort of "tunnel" between two space-time points to be present (called a "wormhole").

Space time is already warped.  That's a fundamental concept in general relativity - space and time are part of a unified non-euclidean spacetime geometry.   Warping space will help you get from point a to point b faster than light would go between those two points had the space not been warped, but you never surpass the velocity of light.

Sidoh

Quote from: Nate on July 18, 2006, 07:04:51 PM
Time as you understand it is the measure of the rate at which the earth turns, and its not even a very good measurement, if you can give me a better definition then by all means show me your genious.  Your all smart but no one here has a degree in theoretical physics or the like.

That's how time is applied, but it is not how long it is measured.  The most accurate way (is obviously) atomic clocks, which measure the distance light travels.  When it reaches some point (or some itteration if it's repeating its path), it can be used as a fundemental time interval (such as a second).

Also, I think you should learn a little more about Rule.  I'm pretty sure he does have a degree in theoretical physics... if he doesn't, I really doubt he needs one. :P

Quote from: Sty on July 18, 2006, 07:24:47 PM
The laws of science do not distinguish between the forward and backward directions of time -- yet they do distinguish the past from the future (time increases as disorder increases). There are some solutions to the equations of General Relativity which would allow for travel back and forth in time....(1) would require that you move faster than the speed of light, but we know that this cannot be done; (2) would require space-time to be very warped and a sort of "tunnel" between two space-time points to be present (called a "wormhole").

1) Doesn't require you to move faster than the speed of light.  It requires you to travel near the speed of light for a specified amount of time, relative to the space craft.

2) If I'm not mistaken, this [simply] allows you to see into the past because you're able to intercept light from a referenced source.  It doesn't allow you to "travel back in time."

In addition to 1), there is also:

3) Undergo immense gravitational acceleration, IE: 'lowering' a vessle close to an object which exerts a huge gravitational force, such as a black hole.

Quote from: Rule on July 18, 2006, 07:32:27 PM
Space time is already warped.  That's a fundamental concept in general relativity - space and time are part of a unified non-euclidean spacetime geometry.   Warping space will help you get from point a to point b faster than light would go between those two points had the space not been warped, but you never surpass the velocity of light.

HAY RULE WHUT ABOUT LASERS?  DO THEY GO FASTER THAN LIGHT? ^_^

Lasers!  PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!

sushi

Lasers are just as fast as light but... lasers are a concentrated form of light. I've seen light go at a speed of 24 mph because they had this really big pool of this really dense stuff and made light go only 24 mph it's cool.


Seperate question what is speed? speed the time it takes to move to one location to another? or is it the amount of distance covered in a set time. Yes we can reach the speed of light. Go in front of a Black hole. heh. lol.