Regarding a topic...

[iago]

But, the thing is if you only tell one set of people that they're doing something stupid and wrong it's making them feel bad about something that they should feel bad about. As has been stated before, marijuana's not as harmful as many other things. Do you tell every one that smokes that they're doing something dumb that will cause them to die? Do you tell that to every one drinking alcohol? How 'bout every one that eats too much, and drinks too much coffee? If you only tell "pot heads" that, you're just telling them that it's worse than everything else.

If somebody has a lung problem and smokes, yes. If somebody has a liver problem and drinks, yes. You're failing to see the point here, about having problems with blood-clots in his lungs. This topic isn't about an average pot-smoker.

[Joe]

Can we move this to GameSnake's forum please? I like reading non drug-related General Discussion on the board index.

[Armin]

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Can we move this to GameSnake's forum please? I like reading non drug-related General Discussion on the board index.

In that case, we should move every topic that you post in into your forum for the same reason.  :D

[cheeseisfun]

I think some of you misunderstood me. When I say I smoke a lot of weed, I mean that it's pretty much a daily thing, but at small quantities in each session. Anyway, I just scored a bag of some Strawberry Cough. I'm pretty excited!

I live my life every day as if I'm going to die the next, because it's very possible that I could. I'm not going to not enjoy my life just because my lungs don't have much capacity. Really, it doesn't effect me much. All I know is that I cannot breathe in as much as others. My pulse-ox levels are fine, because I have had them tested. My blood levels are fine, because I get my blood drawn every week. If I were to die tomorrow, I'd have no regrets. I think all of you should do what you want during your lives, instead of being a slave to the system. Unless that is what makes you happy. I am not saying that I go around partying and getting totally smashed every night. Cannabis has only improved my life, and I mean this. Before I started, I was pretty anti-social and shy. My social life has skyrocketed, and I'm a much more friendly person. I used to have anger problems, but not anymore. I live a much happier life, and if any of you have anything against that, then I think you might end up living unhappy lives. No, I don't do other drugs. In fact, I stay away from other drugs. I used to drink, but Cannabis makes me not want to drink. There goes the gateway effect theory down the toilet, huh? I used to pop oxycodone daily, but strangely enough, as much as Rule thinks Cannabis is a dangerous drug, it helped me get over my addiction.

Have fun with your lives, because it's short, and it's not worth not having fun. Of course, I'm not saying you should necessarily go out and smoke weed. If it's not your cup of tea (haha, you can actually make tea out of it), then don't do it and be quiet. I'd still suggest that you find some way to keep yourself happy, whatever it is... because you never know if tomorrow you will die in a car accident, or some other thing will cause your life to cease to exist.

[Armin]

I think some of you misunderstood me. When I say I smoke a lot of weed, I mean that it's pretty much a daily thing, but at small quantities in each session. Anyway, I just scored a bag of some Strawberry Cough. I'm pretty excited!

I live my life every day as if I'm going to die the next, because it's very possible that I could. I'm not going to not enjoy my life just because my lungs don't have much capacity. Really, it doesn't effect me much. All I know is that I cannot breathe in as much as others. My pulse-ox levels are fine, because I have had them tested. My blood levels are fine, because I get my blood drawn every week. If I were to die tomorrow, I'd have no regrets. I think all of you should do what you want during your lives, instead of being a slave to the system. Unless that is what makes you happy.

Hehe, if I didn't know better, I'd call you a fucking hippie. Really though, would you rather have fun when you're young and die in your 50s/60s, or be bored when you're both young and old? If you ask me, it's all personal preference.

[cheeseisfun]

I think some of you misunderstood me. When I say I smoke a lot of weed, I mean that it's pretty much a daily thing, but at small quantities in each session. Anyway, I just scored a bag of some Strawberry Cough. I'm pretty excited!

I live my life every day as if I'm going to die the next, because it's very possible that I could. I'm not going to not enjoy my life just because my lungs don't have much capacity. Really, it doesn't effect me much. All I know is that I cannot breathe in as much as others. My pulse-ox levels are fine, because I have had them tested. My blood levels are fine, because I get my blood drawn every week. If I were to die tomorrow, I'd have no regrets. I think all of you should do what you want during your lives, instead of being a slave to the system. Unless that is what makes you happy.

Hehe, if I didn't know better, I'd call you a fucking hippie. Really though, would you rather have fun when you're young and die in your 50s/60s, or be bored when you're both young and old? If you ask me, it's all personal preference.

I'd much rather have fun when young, and die in my 50's/60's. What's the point in living if you're bored? I hate boredom. Why would anyone want to live their whole life bored? Am I a hippie? Nah. But I don't think anything is wrong with being a hippie. Hippies are people who are in search of enlightenment, and treasure the earth, and well-being of others. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's probably better if all of the world leaders were hippies, because then there wouldn't be innocent people dying because some scumbag decided he'd send his army to a country just because he wants more money. And usually hippies tend to hitchhike because they don't believe in the concept of money. Well, hmm... I take it back. Maybe I am kind of a hippie. But I don't care. I don't look like a hippie (their clothes are retarded looking) :).

Edit: Also, I don't really mess with psychedelics much. Except for Salvia, which I've tried once (didn't have too much effect). And I'm currently growing mushrooms, but all in all, it doesn't really matter. I'm mostly doing the mushroom thing because I've always wondered how it would be to hallucinate, and have my perception of reality changed completely (don't worry, I've done research, and mushrooms are very safe as well. Alcohol still beats mushrooms in a sense of dangerousness by at least 10 fold.)

You know what, I just realized now that I do share the same ideas that a lot of the hippies back in the 60's did. Interesting. But I am a computer guy, and hippies would probably disapprove of it!

[Rule]

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...(don't worry, I've done research, and mushrooms are very safe as well. Alcohol still beats mushrooms in a sense of dangerousness by at least 10 fold.)

As someone who regularly does "real" research, (the kind that gets published in academic journals), I think you should go talk to a doctor about your smoking and this new mushroom project rather than trolling the internet and coming up with ridiculous estimates like that.  Don't presume that you know more than your physician - it's arrogant and unwise.  I skimmed through a few of the links you posted, (mostly from the sources I recognized as being at least mildly credible, e.g. BBC), and they were filled with disclaimers such as "however, we absolutely do not want readers to take this as a suggestion to smoke marijuana or that smoking would be beneficial to your health."  I am not going to continue this discussion with you, because I've come to the conclusion that it's pointless.  You're too weak to change, or you'll have to learn the hard way (I would have thought the "hard way" had already happened, but apparently not for you).  Good luck doing whatever you do.  If you want to ignore legitimate concerns ,then that's your responsibility, and I am not going to say any more about it.

Edit:

Really though, would you rather have fun when you're young and die in your 50s/60s, or be bored when you're both young and old? If you ask me, it's all personal preference.

Does there have to be a trade-off?  I choose being healthy, living a long time, and having fun.  That sounds like the best choice to me.

[Armin]

I think some of you misunderstood me. When I say I smoke a lot of weed, I mean that it's pretty much a daily thing, but at small quantities in each session. Anyway, I just scored a bag of some Strawberry Cough. I'm pretty excited!

I live my life every day as if I'm going to die the next, because it's very possible that I could. I'm not going to not enjoy my life just because my lungs don't have much capacity. Really, it doesn't effect me much. All I know is that I cannot breathe in as much as others. My pulse-ox levels are fine, because I have had them tested. My blood levels are fine, because I get my blood drawn every week. If I were to die tomorrow, I'd have no regrets. I think all of you should do what you want during your lives, instead of being a slave to the system. Unless that is what makes you happy.

Hehe, if I didn't know better, I'd call you a fucking hippie. Really though, would you rather have fun when you're young and die in your 50s/60s, or be bored when you're both young and old? If you ask me, it's all personal preference.

I'd much rather have fun when young, and die in my 50's/60's. What's the point in living if you're bored? I hate boredom. Why would anyone want to live their whole life bored? Am I a hippie? Nah. But I don't think anything is wrong with being a hippie. Hippies are people who are in search of enlightenment, and treasure the earth, and well-being of others. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's probably better if all of the world leaders were hippies, because then there wouldn't be innocent people dying because some scumbag decided he'd send his army to a country just because he wants more money. And usually hippies tend to hitchhike because they don't believe in the concept of money. Well, hmm... I take it back. Maybe I am kind of a hippie. But I don't care. I don't look like a hippie (their clothes are retarded looking) :).

Edit: Also, I don't really mess with psychedelics much. Except for Salvia, which I've tried once (didn't have too much effect). And I'm currently growing mushrooms, but all in all, it doesn't really matter. I'm mostly doing the mushroom thing because I've always wondered how it would be to hallucinate, and have my perception of reality changed completely (don't worry, I've done research, and mushrooms are very safe as well. Alcohol still beats mushrooms in a sense of dangerousness by at least 10 fold.)

You know what, I just realized now that I do share the same ideas that a lot of the hippies back in the 60's did. Interesting. But I am a computer guy, and hippies would probably disapprove of it!

Hippies are tree hugging good for nothing scumbags that complain about the system, but instead of trying to change that, or even contribute to society, they're just drug addicts that bum whatever they can from anyone and everyone.

Edit:

Really though, would you rather have fun when you're young and die in your 50s/60s, or be bored when you're both young and old? If you ask me, it's all personal preference.

Does there have to be a trade-off?  I choose being healthy, living a long time, and having fun.  That sounds like the best choice to me.

I've tried both lifestyles, and have found occasionally drinking/smoking to be more enjoyable.

[cheeseisfun]

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...(don't worry, I've done research, and mushrooms are very safe as well. Alcohol still beats mushrooms in a sense of dangerousness by at least 10 fold.)

As someone who regularly does "real" research, (the kind that gets published in academic journals), I think you should go talk to a doctor about your smoking and this new mushroom project rather than trolling the internet and coming up with ridiculous estimates like that.  Don't presume that you know more than your physician - it's arrogant and unwise.  I skimmed through a few of the links you posted, (mostly from the sources I recognized as being at least mildly credible, e.g. BBC), and they were filled with disclaimers such as "however, we absolutely do not want readers to take this as a suggestion to smoke marijuana or that smoking would be beneficial to your health."  I am not going to continue this discussion with you, because I've come to the conclusion that it's pointless.  You're too weak to change, or you'll have to learn the hard way (I would have thought the "hard way" had already happened, but apparently not for you).  Good luck doing whatever you do.  If you want to ignore legitimate concerns ,then that's your responsibility, and I am not going to say any more about it.

Edit:

Really though, would you rather have fun when you're young and die in your 50s/60s, or be bored when you're both young and old? If you ask me, it's all personal preference.

Does there have to be a trade-off?  I choose being healthy, living a long time, and having fun.  That sounds like the best choice to me.

Chill. I don't think I know more than doctors. But it's true that a lot of doctors (at least the ones around here) are not educated a lot about Cannabis. Cannabis is not very recognized in the world of medicine, but it should be. I already told you that I did not smoke Cannabis before the incident with my blood-clots. So it's not because I "am so addicted that I kept smoking after a life threatening condition." I am psychologically addicted, but I can admit that. I'm not in denial about it. And even though it's a daily thing for me, it's not in mass quantities. Cannabis smoke is not nearly as harmful as tobacco smoke. And yes, I do a lot of research on drugs. I know more about drugs than most people do. Tell a doctor about my grow operation? Are you an idiot? That will get me busted. Like I said, just because something is illegal does not mean it is bad. Mushrooms can really make you trip hard, but they are not very bad for your health, as tryptamine alkaloids (active ingredient in psilocybe cubensis mushrooms) are not physically addictive. Alcohol is still worse than psilocybin, and it's legal and remains the most abused legal drug in the world. It accounts for a lot of violence and death in the U.S.. And no, I am not trolling here, and making ridiculous estimates of anything. Also, you say I'm too weak to change. Why would I need to change. It really has not effected me in a bad way at all. It has only been beneficial to my life. Sorry that you don't understand this.

[Rule]

*Sigh*.  You're making a bunch of serious errors in your reasoning.  Why would you have to tell a doctor that you have a grow-op in order to ask him about how it would affect you to eat poisonous mushrooms? You also say that mushrooms are not bad for your health because the active ingredient isn't addictive.  Cyanide isn't addictive, do you think it is neutral for your health?  Can you find me an academic journal that says mushrooms are 10 times safer than alcohol? 

And Metal, I don't think occasional drinking is going to mean that you will die in your 50s or 60s, and I think it's possible to have an exciting life without using drugs.  That is not so for you?  That sucks.

c0n, I'm done discussing this with you.  You have shown to me through repeated mistakes in your reasoning that it's extremely dangerous for you to declare yourself an authority and take initiative based solely on your own internet research.  Of course, it would be silly for anyone to do this.

Anyways, WHATEVER.  If you want to sabotage your life (given your condition) then do so.  As I already said, I don't want to discuss it any longer so I don't know why you keep replying.

Keep thinking:
Something isn't addictive -->  It isn't harmful
Something is being pushed to be legal --> It isn't harmful
I ask for advice from a physician about drugs --> I must reveal my illegal operations

:(

Could a mod lock this thread please?

[cheeseisfun]

*Sigh*.  You're making a bunch of serious errors in your reasoning.  Why would you have to tell a doctor that you have a grow-op in order to ask him about how it would affect you to eat poisonous mushrooms? You also say that mushrooms are not bad for your health because the active ingredient isn't addictive.  Cyanide isn't addictive, do you think it is neutral for your health?  Can you find me an academic journal that says mushrooms are 10 times safer than alcohol? 

And Metal, I don't think occasional drinking is going to mean that you will die in your 50s or 60s, and I think it's possible to have an exciting life without using drugs.  That is not so for you?  That sucks.

c0n, I'm done discussing this with you.  You have shown to me through repeated mistakes in your reasoning that it's extremely dangerous for you to declare yourself an authority and take initiative based solely on your own internet research.  Of course, it would be silly for anyone to do this.

Anyways, WHATEVER.  If you want to sabotage your life (given your condition) then do so.  As I already said, I don't want to discuss it any longer so I don't know why you keep replying.

Keep thinking:
Something isn't addictive -->  It isn't harmful
Something is being pushed to be legal --> It isn't harmful
I ask for advice from a physician about drugs --> I must reveal my illegal operations

:(

Could a mod lock this thread please?

I read your post and you told me that I should tell a physician about it. Let me quote you: "As someone who regularly does "real" research, (the kind that gets published in academic journals), I think you should go talk to a doctor about your smoking and this new mushroom project rather than trolling the internet and coming up with ridiculous estimates like that. " You told me to tell a physician about the mushrooms project. And you are making assumptions. I am not saying that just because it isn't addictive that it isn't harmful. Nothing is completely harmless. You are misunderstanding a lot of what I say, and I think you are purposely trying to pick out my errors and use them against me. I don't like you, and I think you need to worry about yourself. You act as if your logic is perfect. You're just another straight-edge who acts as if smoking weed is bad. Give me a break, pal. What would I be declaring myself an authory of? I know a lot about drugs, even ones I do not do, and do not plan to ever use. You can have fun without drugs, and I do have fun without drugs too. I don't only use Cannabis to spice up the day. In fact, I often hang out with friends while sober. You also just called Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms poisonous, which is not true by any means whatsoever. In fact, it is nearly impossible to overdose on psilocybin. I have not sabotaged my life by using Cannabis as a sleep aid and recreational drug. You're gravely mistaken in this, because you do not know me whatsoever. I work full-time, and I go to college. Now tell me, other than "oh your lungs are going to fail because you are putting smoke in them", how it could possibly ruin my life. Why don't you try smoking pot once? Usually it's ignorant fucks like you who judge it without knowing exactly how it is. Unless I am wrong, and you have tried it. If you have, then I doubt you've done it much. You're just a newb, and you won't ever understand that it's not a very harmful drug (I'm willing to say that it's the safest psychoactive substance in the world).

I will never ask a physician about it, why should I? There's absolutely no reason to. I know how it affects me. Also, no, I cannot find an academic journal that says psilocybin mushrooms are 10x safer than alcohol. It was a bit of an exaggeration, but people who are intoxicated from alcohol do much more retarded things than people who are tripping on psilocybin.

Let me ask you, do you argue with everyone about everything? You seem like the kind of person who tries to prove everyone wrong on just about everything. I think you need to lighten up a bit, and stop being to up-tight. Also, you say that you have fun without drugs. No you don't. Endorphins are drugs too. When you're happy, that is caused by drugs, aka: seratonin/dopamine. Your moods are controlled by lack of or an abundance of naturally occuring drugs in your body. In fact, your body naturally produces endorphins which are much like the cannabinoids found in Cannabis. Cannabis is not very harmful. If you have a problem with me, without knowing me at all, then keep it to yourself. I will live my life the way I want. You can live your life Cannabis-free, or alcohol-free, or whatever. Nobody cares that you're a straight-edge asshole who likes to nitpick errors out of people's typing over the internet. Do you think I care that I made logical errors in my typing? I couldn't give one fuck. It's the Internet. If my typing can at least pass my point to you, that's all that matters. I really hate people like you, who go around talking about how someone has "serious errors in their reasoning." If you don't like it, then shut up and don't talk. I don't know you, and you don't know me. But from what I see, you are an up-tight fuck.

Cannabis and psilocybin mushrooms have been used for thousands of years, and for many reasons. Both of them should at least be decriminalized, if not legalized.

Do you drink alcohol, Rule? Answer it truthfully.

Also, realize that you are the one who started this whole retarded argument up, by trying to put me down because I smoke weed with my lung condition; which, by the way, had nothing to do with the initial point of this thread.

[Super_X]

Rule, concidering you went off topic, I don't think you should have a say in telling people to lock it.

Any how, if you read something you don't agree with (smoking, getting married at a young age, not being a jerk-off), ignore it. I really doubt that people care enough about what you say to change their minds. I mean, if that's the core of the topic, be my guest, post to your hearts content. But, don't go off topic and tell people they're wrong. Don't tell them that you, in your ivory tower, don't agree.

[Armin]

And Metal, I don't think occasional drinking is going to mean that you will die in your 50s or 60s, and I think it's possible to have an exciting life without using drugs.  That is not so for you?  That sucks.

Yeah, I was exaggerating a bit when I said 50's or 60's. I expect my occasional drug usage to drop a year or 2 of my life at most. I also never said it was impossible to have an excited life without occasional drug use, yet that it enhances it.

[Joe]

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Can we move this to GameSnake's forum please? I like reading non drug-related General Discussion on the board index.

In that case, we should move every topic that you post in into your forum for the same reason.  :D

I'm not even sure quite what you mean. I'm going to guess you mean Jesus-Related stuff, which most of what I post outside my forum isn't.

[Armin]

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Can we move this to GameSnake's forum please? I like reading non drug-related General Discussion on the board index.

In that case, we should move every topic that you post in into your forum for the same reason.  :D

I'm not even sure quite what you mean. I'm going to guess you mean Jesus-Related stuff, which most of what I post outside my forum isn't.

I was saying I don't like reading topics that you post in. The :D meant I was joking.