Concealed weapons: good/bad?

[Blaze]

I wouldn't mind armed teachers.

I've seen teachers get angry enough to throw desks/chairs/monitors at students, often breaking these in the process.  I sure as hell wouldn't want one with a gun, nor would I want most of the people at my school to have a gun.

[CrAz3D]

Aside from it being a totally stupid idea?

Which you can't argue ... so  :P





p.s. Here are the laws that REALLY support concealed carry on university campuses in New Mexico

No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As amended November 2, 1971 and November 2, 1986.)    

The part that reads "but nothing herein shall be hedl to permit the carrying of concealed weapons" was reviewed upon the passage of the current Concealed Carry Act in New Mexico.  Challengers argued that Art. II, Sec. 6 prevented concealed carry, NM Supreme Court ruled that the line in question neither permits nor prevents concealed carrying and that the Concealed Carry Act was in fact constitutional in New Mexico.

NMSA 30-7-2.4 is the statute making carrying of a firearm, except in some cases, a petty misdemeanor.



OBVIOUSLY, NMSA 30-7-2.4 conflicts with Art. II, Sec. 6 of the NM Constitution that reads "No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense..."

[iago]

I'm also quite happy that no one would/could pick at my reasons for concealed campus carrying.

Nope, I'd love to but you call every pick off topic, so it's impossible. But you're great at arguing, thanks for coming out!

But seriously, if you really want to defend your position, go back and answer what I'm asking. I asked several questions that you've not-very-cleverly evaded.


The last couple posts here did remind me of something, though -- why not have trained and armed security guards on campus? That would solve all the problems you point out with the current state without the downsides that you tend to ignore.

[CrAz3D]

You keep talking about high schools, that isn't the argument.



Armed security guards sound like a good idea ... so long as there is at least one in every class and at least one to escort each student to their next class, or maybe one to escort a small group to their next class.  But that seems overly burdensome on the university (it'd be hella friggin' expensive, tutition would go up, and students would drop)

[iago]

You keep talking about high schools, that isn't the argument.

Do you know how when you're arguing with people, the argument generally boils down to the person saying, "you're a fucking moron, I'm not arguing with you anymore"? Well, I'm at that point.

If you don't understand why. GO BACK AND READ MY FUCKING POSTS. I explained 5 times why it's relevant. FIVE!! I'm not doing it again!

Armed security guards sound like a good idea ... so long as there is at least one in every class and at least one to escort each student to their next class, or maybe one to escort a small group to their next class.  But that seems overly burdensome on the university (it'd be hella friggin' expensive, tutition would go up, and students would drop)

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. My idea was exactly that retarded. You hit it right on the button. You can pick up your prize at the "I'm an idiot booth" on your way out.

[CrAz3D]

You keep talking about high schools, that isn't the argument.

Do you know how when you're arguing with people, the argument generally boils down to the person saying, "you're a fucking moron, I'm not arguing with you anymore"? Well, I'm at that point.

If you don't understand why. GO BACK AND READ MY FUCKING POSTS. I explained 5 times why it's relevant. FIVE!! I'm not doing it again!

Armed security guards sound like a good idea ... so long as there is at least one in every class and at least one to escort each student to their next class, or maybe one to escort a small group to their next class.  But that seems overly burdensome on the university (it'd be hella friggin' expensive, tutition would go up, and students would drop)

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. My idea was exactly that retarded. You hit it right on the button. You can pick up your prize at the "I'm an idiot booth" on your way out.

High school isn't the topic, I'm not arguing about high school.  If I was arguing about people protecting themselves in general it'd be relevant, but I'm not.



I sorta thought the same about your idea, good thing we're on the same page.  It just doesn't seem fair to force people out of school because some people with a misconstrued idea of guns wants everyone to be defensless

[iago]

High school isn't the topic, I'm not arguing about high school.  If I was arguing about people protecting themselves in general it'd be relevant, but I'm not.

But highschools (as well as a bunch of other things I listed) should be included by your logic. Therefore, you either have to accept highschools or fix your logic.

I sorta thought the same about your idea, good thing we're on the same page.  It just doesn't seem fair to force people out of school because some people with a misconstrued idea of guns wants everyone to be defensless

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Good call.

[CrAz3D]

My argument relates SPECIFICALLY to 211+ year olds and university campuses.  High school students are younger than 21 and do not attend university campuses (as their main school).  Therefore, non-issue.

[Falcon]

My argument relates SPECIFICALLY to 211+ year olds and university campuses.  High school students are younger than 21 and do not attend university campuses (as their main school).  Therefore, non-issue.

Damn thats pretty old. But there are a lot of people in universities at age 18 or younger, so what about them?

[CrAz3D]

They cant buy guns because you have to be 21.

That's a different law/policy ... not a law/policy being discussed by this campaign.

[Falcon]

So if the shooting starts in a class full of freshmen (rhet 1101), you are fine with them "all being sitting ducks"?

[CrAz3D]

Not really, it's sad.  But from there we need to change federal law.

SCCC is specifically pointed at students who can already carry.

[Explicit]

High school isn't the topic, I'm not arguing about high school.  If I was arguing about people protecting themselves in general it'd be relevant, but I'm not.

But highschools (as well as a bunch of other things I listed) should be included by your logic. Therefore, you either have to accept highschools or fix your logic.

I sorta thought the same about your idea, good thing we're on the same page.  It just doesn't seem fair to force people out of school because some people with a misconstrued idea of guns wants everyone to be defensless

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Good call.

Just give it up, iago. Every objection raised to his "solid" arguments is dismissed as irrelevant, and I don't think that's going to change any time soon.

I chose to dismiss his arguments last night when I finally found the page where he was drawing his defense from.

CrAz3D, your logic isn't as solid as you think it is. I'm not even going to try to point the reasons out anymore since you made it painfully obvious that you just don't get it. If you want to try and figure them out for yourself, then by all means, go for it.

[Ender]

crazed: a, b, and c
sane person: but what about d, e, and f?
*crazed doesn't respond to d, e, f*
crazed: but a, b, and c

repeat this process x100

*sane person goes insane*

[CrAz3D]

...and then they get locked up and I win.


Strategy man, strategy