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Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« on: November 10, 2009, 07:40:19 PM »
The following is one video making such claims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyayndwXQ4&feature=fvw
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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2009, 09:06:30 PM »
Video concerning small but growing underground church in Iran, many claiming conversion because of dreams and visions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVNjG90YYbs
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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 09:49:08 PM »
That's nice, but I hope you realize it's statistically insignificant.  It's a trivial collection of anecdotes.  Like I said, these sorts of conversions don't surprise me, and I'd expect a small number of people to flock to Christianity.  I'd like to see a non-biased source that details a significant conversion rate.

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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2009, 08:40:30 AM »
First there were Muslims and Jews, then Christians, then Jews for Jesus.  Now there's Muslims for Jesus.  Next up, I think, is Christians for Muhammad.

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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2009, 04:56:02 AM »
That's nice, but I hope you realize it's statistically insignificant.  It's a trivial collection of anecdotes.  Like I said, these sorts of conversions don't surprise me, and I'd expect a small number of people to flock to Christianity.  I'd like to see a non-biased source that details a significant conversion rate.

Where exactly do you expect to find a non-biased source detailing supernatural conversion and why do you think my end was to prove this to be of a significant rate? Should I search out Iranian Muslim’s or perhaps the American media network? ;) In the free world void of religion Christians are being driven out while Muslims and Buddhists are being welcomed with arms of tolerance wide open. That of course does not mean that I don’t believe in tolerance while frowning on militant Christian sects because ultimately I am to preach a message of reconciliation to God to those who will accept and allow God to deal with those who will not, but at all times demonstrating the love of God.

The point of these videos is to show by third party the testimonies I am hearing from converted Muslims from the Middle East first person, as well as missionaries coming back from the field ecstatic because a form of supernatural evangelism is taking place that is staggering. Muslim evangelists declaring over there own radio broadcasts that they cannot compete with the Christians in Africa because they are raising the dead, healing the sick, and causing food to multiply thereby feeding the multitudes. Interestingly enough it is testified that these miracles are primarily wrought by the hands of children.

Just as my words here will be swept aside with skepticism there will be no non-biased report unless God should choose to make such supernatural occurrence so widespread and prevalent that to deny the existence of God and His supernatural works would be absurd. Although I will continue to search for videos of a more alarming nature, these were quick finds to demonstrate the claims of supernatural conversion, dreams and visions, leading people to Christ. You'll have to understand that I prefer a more hands on and face to face method of testimony so unfortunately I am a little behind on what has been made available to the public by means of media.
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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 07:22:29 AM »
Where exactly do you expect to find a non-biased source detailing supernatural conversion and why do you think my end was to prove this to be of a significant rate? Should I search out Iranian Muslim’s or perhaps the American media network? ;) In the free world void of religion Christians are being driven out while Muslims and Buddhists are being welcomed with arms of tolerance wide open. That of course does not mean that I don’t believe in tolerance while frowning on militant Christian sects because ultimately I am to preach a message of reconciliation to God to those who will accept and allow God to deal with those who will not, but at all times demonstrating the love of God.

Christians are being driven out where Muslims are being welcomed in a world devoid of religion?  Uh... I'm not seeing how you can validate this claim.  Islam is no less "religious" than Christianity.  Additionally, I'm always amused which Christians sound like they're whining for being persecuted.  They're the most prevalent religion in the world.  I think they need to STFU about that. :)

The videos are nice, and of course it lends some negligible value to your argument.  However, it's a few people.  I don't think it should surprise anyone.  I'm sure there are plenty of Christians who have had dreams about other deity and converted to the respective religion.  I'm just not impressed by a handful.

The point of these videos is to show by third party the testimonies I am hearing from converted Muslims from the Middle East first person, as well as missionaries coming back from the field ecstatic because a form of supernatural evangelism is taking place that is staggering. Muslim evangelists declaring over there own radio broadcasts that they cannot compete with the Christians in Africa because they are raising the dead, healing the sick, and causing food to multiply thereby feeding the multitudes. Interestingly enough it is testified that these miracles are primarily wrought by the hands of children.

Staggering?  Dude, there weren't that many people.  I'd say it's expected considering how much buggering you guys do down there.

hahahaha what.  are you seriously claiming that christians are performing miracles?  ahahahhaah.  i know this sounds rude, but i find it genuinely funny.  How hard would it be to capture this stuff on video and put it on youtube?  That's something I'd like to see.  also, i'm pretty hungry.  can i find the nearest child and tell him to make me a god sammich?

Just as my words here will be swept aside with skepticism there will be no non-biased report unless God should choose to make such supernatural occurrence so widespread and prevalent that to deny the existence of God and His supernatural works would be absurd. Although I will continue to search for videos of a more alarming nature, these were quick finds to demonstrate the claims of supernatural conversion, dreams and visions, leading people to Christ. You'll have to understand that I prefer a more hands on and face to face method of testimony so unfortunately I am a little behind on what has been made available to the public by means of media.

You'll have to understand.  Your claims are completely absurd, ungrounded, and unsupported.  Give me some evidence that isn't anecdotal and we'll talk.

I understand that you're unprepared for this, and I don't blame you for it.  However, I should remind you that testimony is meaningless unless made by a statistically significant number of people.

Edit: I'm posting this from an airport at 5:30 AM.  I beg your pardon if you find my content grammatically substandard.

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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 06:51:52 PM »
The problem with this thread is that you're trying to ask for statistics on faith, which is contrary to the entire basis of faith.

I think I got those words right. If not, you understand what I mean anyhow.
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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 07:08:06 PM »
The problem with this thread is that you're trying to ask for statistics on faith, which is contrary to the entire basis of faith.

I think I got those words right. If not, you understand what I mean anyhow.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect faith to be observable.  If you ask an unbiased sampling of 10,000 people in Iran if they're Christian, then you've collected a statistic.  I don't think this is at all unreasonable.  I don't think statistics supporting Tuberload's conclusion exist, but that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to expect to see them before you grant him his conclusions.

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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 07:49:46 PM »
hahahaha what.  are you seriously claiming that christians are performing miracles?  ahahahhaah.  i know this sounds rude, but i find it genuinely funny.  How hard would it be to capture this stuff on video and put it on youtube?  That's something I'd like to see.  also, i'm pretty hungry.  can i find the nearest child and tell him to make me a god sammich?

rabbit do you have any comments?  ;)
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Re: Muslims Coming to Christ, Many Claiming Supernatural Occurrences
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2009, 09:14:50 PM »
hahahaha what.  are you seriously claiming that christians are performing miracles?  ahahahhaah.  i know this sounds rude, but i find it genuinely funny.  How hard would it be to capture this stuff on video and put it on youtube?  That's something I'd like to see.  also, i'm pretty hungry.  can i find the nearest child and tell him to make me a god sammich?

rabbit do you have any comments?  ;)
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