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Protecting liberties? By trampling over liberties? Should be an interesting paper
Quote from: CrAz3D on September 25, 2007, 11:26:16 pmProtecting liberties? By trampling over liberties? Should be an interesting paper Holy crap, I agre with CrAz3d. Afk, suicide...
I don't agree with the statement "protecting liberties by trampling liberties." I, probably because I'm not a terrorist, have never had my rights trampled by the Patriot Act.
Lincoln unconstitutionally suspended Habeas Corpus, and I don't see anyone complaining; sometimes, the end justifies the means.Of course, when the entire country is lied to about the end, the means loses its justification.
"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."
Just so we're on the same page, the federal government is given nearly unlimited power in times of emergency by the constitution. The way I see it no law abiding citizens rights will be violated unjustly, and if some terrorist's home is searched without a warrant because they plan to bomb something then I'm all for their right to be violated if it's saving hundreds of law abiding American citizens lives. (i.e. Brooklyn Bridge attempted bombing)In addition with that the 2006 revision of the Patriot Act puts into effect multiple safeguards against abuse, so I don't see the problem. I'll post the paper and own you all if you want.
Quote from: Trust on September 26, 2007, 02:35:26 pmJust so we're on the same page, the federal government is given nearly unlimited power in times of emergency by the constitution. The way I see it no law abiding citizens rights will be violated unjustly, and if some terrorist's home is searched without a warrant because they plan to bomb something then I'm all for their right to be violated if it's saving hundreds of law abiding American citizens lives. (i.e. Brooklyn Bridge attempted bombing)In addition with that the 2006 revision of the Patriot Act puts into effect multiple safeguards against abuse, so I don't see the problem. I'll post the paper and own you all if you want.Terrorism isn't an emergency. It is a continuing possibility of damage, but so is cancer, but an emergency posses an immediate and definite threat.
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Quote from: CrAz3D on September 26, 2007, 02:37:35 pmQuote from: Trust on September 26, 2007, 02:35:26 pmJust so we're on the same page, the federal government is given nearly unlimited power in times of emergency by the constitution. The way I see it no law abiding citizens rights will be violated unjustly, and if some terrorist's home is searched without a warrant because they plan to bomb something then I'm all for their right to be violated if it's saving hundreds of law abiding American citizens lives. (i.e. Brooklyn Bridge attempted bombing)In addition with that the 2006 revision of the Patriot Act puts into effect multiple safeguards against abuse, so I don't see the problem. I'll post the paper and own you all if you want.Terrorism isn't an emergency. It is a continuing possibility of damage, but so is cancer, but an emergency posses an immediate and definite threat.I shouldn't have used emergency, I should have used "to protect the life and liberty of citizens and the state of the union"
To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing, if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished, if those limits do not confine the persons on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed, are of equal obligation....The constitution is either a superior, paramount law, unchangeable by ordinary means, or it is on a level with ordinary legislative acts, and, like other acts, is alterable when the legislature shall please to alter it.
I shouldn't have used emergency, I should have used "to protect the life and liberty of citizens and the state of the union"
On a note unrelated to the patriot act, I have a job! This is going to be my first real job. I'm going to be working in receiving at a retail store, and will be getting $8.25-8.50/hr to start, which is more than most people who are already working there and have been for years.... but my aunt is the store manager so I totally win. Time to start saving for a car!
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Quote from: CrAz3D on June 30, 2008, 10:38:22 amI'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.That analogy doesn't even make sense. Why would a water balloon be especially bloated on a hot summer's day? For your sake, I hope there wasn't too much logic testing on your LSAT.
I'd bet that you're currently bloated like a water ballon on a hot summer's day.