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School sued over same-sex fairy tale

Started by GameSnake, April 29, 2006, 03:26:47 AM

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iago

Children need to understand that there are gay people in the world.  Otherwise, they'll grow up afraid of gays and, if the kid is gay, he won't understand it and have a confusing adolescence with feelings that he doesn't understand properly.  I think it's very important to expose children to all aspects of the world. 

You guys are saying it as if it's an erotic book.  Although I haven't read the book and I've never even heard about it, I imagine that it isn't erotic.  There's nothing wrong or weird about same-sex relationships, unless you're still living in the past. 

I think that they should make a book like that required for children. 

GameSnake

To be honost I'd rather see a 7 year old reading a fairy tale then watching a violent/sex movie.

rabbit

My point exactly.  Those of you who believe that fairy-tale books are read exclusively at school raise your hand.

I suggest to all of you to go see or watch the Laramie Project, it's really good, and you might learn something.

Warrior

I personally think being gay is probably the most degrading thing a man could do to himself.
I mean who DOESNT LIKE GIRLS..what the HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?? Maybe part of their brain (the man part) it dead??

This doesn't mean I go attacking gays, I just don't associate myself with them. Theres a difference between having tolerance and accepting being gay as something right.

You can tolerate someone withought embracing their beliefs.

I personally think this is way out of line to be taught in any class room prior to Middle school. Seriously if my son came home and said
"Hey dad we learned about gays today" I'd have to show him porn asap.
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Sidoh

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
Children need to understand that there are gay people in the world.  Otherwise, they'll grow up afraid of gays and, if the kid is gay, he won't understand it and have a confusing adolescence with feelings that he doesn't understand properly.  I think it's very important to expose children to all aspects of the world. 

I agree, but if you introduce them to these sorts of things when the children are too young to fully understand them, I fail to see any point in introducing them at all.  I think homosexuality should be thoroughly covered as soon as the kids are old enough to be educated on the subject of sex.

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
You guys are saying it as if it's an erotic book.  Although I haven't read the book and I've never even heard about it, I imagine that it isn't erotic.  There's nothing wrong or weird about same-sex relationships, unless you're still living in the past. 

It's clearly strange to the children since its obvious they haven't been introduced to the subject yet (and lack proper education creating the possibility of fully comprehending it).  Their parents are filing lawsuits.  I don't think the school system has any right to interfere with how parents are governing they way they raise their children.  If they want to shield them from homosexuality, I don't see it at all just for a teacher to suddenly push this sort of subject on children.  I wouldn't argue this point in the least bit if the teacher had asked permission from the parents.

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
I think that they should make a book like that required for children. 

I agree that this should be introduced to children, but not when they're seven years old ....

Blaze

In elementary school I used to have some of those 5:00am religion pushers in my class and in music class they had to sit out due to all the themes of the stuff we did.  :)
And like a fool I believed myself, and thought I was somebody else...

GameSnake

Quote from: Sidoh on April 30, 2006, 01:52:52 AM
Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
Children need to understand that there are gay people in the world.  Otherwise, they'll grow up afraid of gays and, if the kid is gay, he won't understand it and have a confusing adolescence with feelings that he doesn't understand properly.  I think it's very important to expose children to all aspects of the world. 

I agree, but if you introduce them to these sorts of things when the children are too young to fully understand them, I fail to see any point in introducing them at all.  I think homosexuality should be thoroughly covered as soon as the kids are old enough to be educated on the subject of sex.

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
You guys are saying it as if it's an erotic book.  Although I haven't read the book and I've never even heard about it, I imagine that it isn't erotic.  There's nothing wrong or weird about same-sex relationships, unless you're still living in the past. 

It's clearly strange to the children since its obvious they haven't been introduced to the subject yet (and lack proper education creating the possibility of fully comprehending it).  Their parents are filing lawsuits.  I don't think the school system has any right to interfere with how parents are governing they way they raise their children.  If they want to shield them from homosexuality, I don't see it at all just for a teacher to suddenly push this sort of subject on children.  I wouldn't argue this point in the least bit if the teacher had asked permission from the parents.

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
I think that they should make a book like that required for children. 

I agree that this should be introduced to children, but not when they're seven years old ....
iago's point was it is obserd to try to shield children from gay people and other facts of life, parents can raise thier kids but not control the random enviorment of the world around thier children.

Sidoh

Quote from: GameSnake on April 30, 2006, 02:29:50 AM
iago's point was it is obserd to try to shield children from gay people and other facts of life, parents can raise thier kids but not control the random enviorment of the world around thier children.

I believe it's necessary to shield small children (they're 7 years old, for Christ's sake) from this sort of thing.  You can tell them about penis loving men when they're older.

rabbit

If parents are going to sue schools for reading gay fairytales, they need to sue stores for selling violent games and movies, and the companies that produce them, when their kids play/see those things, because they have absolutely no control over them.  This entire thing is stupid.  OMFG A FAIRYTALE, get over it.

To quote a brilliant cartoon man, Peter Griffin:
QuoteIf gays wanna get married and be miserable like the rest of us, I say let 'em.

What kind of philosophy is "I don't like something a teacher did, so I'm going to sue the school."  Do parents sue for failing grades?  No.  Fuck that.

trust

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
There's nothing wrong or weird about same-sex relationships, unless you're still living in the past.

Yes there is and I do not want my children, especially when they're 7 years old, exposed to it.

iago

Quote from: Sidoh on April 30, 2006, 01:52:52 AM
I agree, but if you introduce them to these sorts of things when the children are too young to fully understand them, I fail to see any point in introducing them at all.  I think homosexuality should be thoroughly covered as soon as the kids are old enough to be educated on the subject of sex.
You make it sound like it's something dirty and wrong.  What do you mean they're too young?  Being gay isn't just about sex, it's a way of life that many people are forced to accept.  If kids understand that a man and woman can fall in love and be married, they should also understand that two men can.  It's a part of the world, and children should be seeing it while they're young.  It's not just about sex

Quote from: iago on April 29, 2006, 05:23:12 PM
I agree that this should be introduced to children, but not when they're seven years old ....
I'll say it again: this isn't about sex, or anything dirty. 

Armin

Like iago was saying, the school is obviously doing it so kids don't grow up against gays. Just like how they teach kids about slavery when they're young, and how wrong it is so they don't grow up against blacks. They're not trying to make you black, just in the same way that they're not trying to make you gay. Just to be aware of it, and not be against it.
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trust

No, it's different. Children are taught that slavery is BAD, and thus they're against it.

However, now they're being taught that homosexuality is acceptable and OK...so they'll be for it and probably experiment with it. And that's wrong.

Read a recent article from Time magazine (2 months old or so) - it said that a large percentage of teens are become "bicurious" because it's "cool" - this will just further that and it's wrong.

My sister is in 2nd grade and her homework consists of how Jesus is different than other kings (ie. not concerned over land) and she's required to memorize bible versus that discuss living a good life and not stealing and etc. She is not recieving assignments or stories or anything else that involves two gay fairies. I will be placing my children in private school.

rabbit

This country is ruled by the Constitution, not the Bible.  The Constitution says nothing about homosexuality being wrong, bad, evil, etc.. just as it doesn't say heterosexuality is good, supreme, right, etc...  Shut the fuck up about your Bible shit.  This isn't Church, it's the United Fucking States.

This entire country was founded on the basis that everyone is equal and allowed.  If you can't accept that, get the fuck out of my country.

GameSnake

Quote from: OG Trust on April 30, 2006, 11:40:32 AM
No, it's different. Children are taught that slavery is BAD, and thus they're against it.

However, now they're being taught that homosexuality is acceptable and OK...so they'll be for it and probably experiment with it. And that's wrong.

Read a recent article from Time magazine (2 months old or so) - it said that a large percentage of teens are become "bicurious" because it's "cool" - this will just further that and it's wrong.

My sister is in 2nd grade and her homework consists of how Jesus is different than other kings (ie. not concerned over land) and she's required to memorize bible versus that discuss living a good life and not stealing and etc. She is not recieving assignments or stories or anything else that involves two gay fairies. I will be placing my children in private school.
Umm.. No.. If a child is raised thinking homosexuals are acceptable they are not more likely to be gay, just more tolerant; a child raised by gay parents  has the same chance of being homosexual than anyone else,.