Joe, where can I find inconsistencies in the Bible

[CrAz3D]

my friend was going on about how Christianity is the only religion that is perfect.  w/a book written by God through 40 different men.

...I dont have my Bible here to check, but if you(or anyone) could list some passages that are in direct confliction please do so.

ie: In Luke...
9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man."
22:9 "My companions saw the light but did not hear the voice of the one who spoke to me." (both KJV)

^^^thats just stuff I found online


this is just a list of a few things I'm reading re: this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_consistency_and_the_Bible#The_Acts_of_the_Apostles
http://members.aol.com/ckbloomfld/bepart12.html#ref121
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#war_or_peace
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#first_sermon
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#god_seen

[rabbit]

Well, "Thou shalt not kill" and "Moses, go get your posse and kill those assholes" (rough approximations) are pretty direct contradictions, but I don't remember exactly where they are (IIRC both in Exodus).

[Joe]

rabbit, there's a whole thesis paper written on that by some person. I haven't gotten my hands on it, but my pastor pretty much told me "The bible says 'thou shalt not murder'"

And yeah. Thou shalt not murder is one of the ten commandments (I lost track, but it's one of them) and when Moses was commanded to kill a bunch of people, it was because they were sinners (think what God did with Noah and the Ark).

@CrAz3D: I don't have the mental energy to bother looking, but since those are different chapters, I don't doubt that they're different incidents. Also, the first four gospels are known to contradict eachother, as will happen in any event where there are four people doing different things at different times. For example, the book of Judas (non-canonical) says that Judas was following a command from Jesus that he should turn him into the Pharasies in order to complete the plan, whereas Matthew, Mark and John (I'm guessing Luke, but he wasn't an apostle, so whatever) say that Jesus was prophesying, not commanding. But yeah, you get what I mean.

I fail to believe that you can find any inconsistencies in the bible (other than the obvious OT vs NT) that cannot be explained. If you believe the explination or not is a whole other situation, but they can all be explained. I like debating this, so if you can find anything (don't link me to page upon page, actually research them before sending them to me), let me know and I'll try my hand at disproving your point. Also, on amazon.com you can get a bible, shipped, for about a quarter I believe, or you can use (poke).

[rabbit]

The commandment isn't "Thou shalt not kill, unless thy victims are sinners", it's "Thou shalt not kill".

[CrAz3D]

The commandment isn't "Thou shalt not kill, unless thy victims are sinners", it's "Thou shalt not kill".

Thats what I'm getting at too.

Joe, how is it ok for Moses to kill the sinners when there are thing in the Bible like "Thou shalt not kill" & "he who is without sin cast the first stone" (assuming Moses was a real man, I figure he is sinful)?

[Joe]

I stand by what I said in my last post..

[Ergot]

Main Entry: 2murder
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mur·dered; mur·der·ing /'m&r-d(&-)ri[ng]/
transitive verb
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY
3 a : to put an end to b : TEASE, TORMENT c : MUTILATE, MANGLE <murders French> d : to defeat badly
intransitive verb : to commit murder
synonym see KILL

[CrAz3D]

x86/64] link=topic=9134.msg116139#msg116139 date=1177194591]
I stand by what I said in my last post..

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=25&verse=4&version=31&context=verse

...so God is like a god-father & orders hits on people???

[Sidoh]

x86/64] link=topic=9134.msg116139#msg116139 date=1177194591]
I stand by what I said in my last post..

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=25&verse=4&version=31&context=verse

...so God is like a god-father & orders hits on people???

*Scratches throat with top side of hand*

Ehhhee...

You mess-ah with mah family, you mess-ah with me.

[CrAz3D]

x86/64] link=topic=9134.msg116139#msg116139 date=1177194591]
I stand by what I said in my last post..

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=25&verse=4&version=31&context=verse

...so God is like a god-father & orders hits on people???

*Scratches throat with top side of hand*

Ehhhee...

You messiah with mah family, you messiah with me.

fixed*

[Sidoh]

lol

[Blaze]

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(think what God did with Noah and the Ark).

I disagree with the relationship you're proposing; Noah didn't kill the people, god did.

Also, I don't believe Noah's Ark happened at all like the bible describes it.

[Sidoh]

Also, I don't believe Noah's Ark happened at all like the bible describes it.

You've made it clear in the past that you're an atheist, so I don't think many people will find that surprising.  ;)

[Blaze]

Also, I don't believe Noah's Ark happened at all like the bible describes it.

You've made it clear in the past that you're an atheist, so I don't think many people will find that surprising.  ;)

I'm not an atheist, though.  At this point in my life I believe in the possibility that a god exists, but I don't worship any specific one.  All religions are fair game.  (Except Scientology.  That's just bull shit.)

[Sidoh]

I'm not an atheist, though.  At this point in my life I believe in the possibility that a god exists, but I don't worship any specific one.  All religions are fair game.  (Except Scientology.  That's just bull shit.)

I'm pretty sure you said you were earlier... :P

Yeah, there's a word for that: agnostic, as I suspect you know. :)