Dreams

[TeHFoOoL]

Okay, this is a very quick summary of a very long arguement I had with someone in my WoW guild.

He said that:

If you have never seen an object, never heard of it, never even knew it existed, you can dream of that object and have it be recognizable, realistic, and accurate.

That's complete bullcrap. That's against all logic.. That just makes no sense.

That means a blind man would be able to have fully detailed dreams.

Or maybe I misinterpreted him, and he meant: You never have seen it, or heard of it, or new of its existance, but you still can dream it but NOT recognize it. I guess this is a possibility. Like you've never known cats exist, right. Then in one dream you see this fuzzy-four-legged alien thing ( to you ) and you are like.. "Hmm, that's funny."

But what're the chances of your mind procuring something that extremely accurate when it has nothing to base itself off of? He kept bringing up creativity, but I don't think dreams have anything to do with creativity. I said dreams are compilations of your memory and thoughts, he said it was a manifestation of what you want.

I had a dream when I was three that King Kong was chasing me through a nuclear power plant, I ran outside and hid inside a McDonald's playgym. I remember crawling through the tubes and thinking I was safe, then seeing his enormous eye peer at me and I'd scramble through the network of tubes to get away from the atrocious ape.

I can say with complete honesty that I don't want that to happen.

However, I do agree that " a manifestation of what you want " is a subcategory inside a dream, rather than being a fitting definition of "dream"

Dreams are awfully weird things, and I think they hold a -lot- of potential that we have yet to unlock. ( I think it might be a skill that's learned ~ level 50 or something.. We just need to get there. )
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[TeHFoOoL]

While I have no interest in advertising, I think my science/philosophy forum may be the best place to find people who are looking to discuss these sorts of questions :).

lol, I can't register now.. I've been up for 54 hours.   :-\

[CrAz3D]

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lol, I can't register now.. I've been up for 54 hours.   :-\

yeah, plus the vL forums are being WAY gay...


uh, I dont think you could imagine "acurately" something that you've never seen/heard of/heard explained.  Doesnt make sense.

[GameSnake]

 I can think of what an alien looks like in my head right now, even though i've never seen it before, I can still make it up in my mind conciously, why couldn't I when i'm sleeping?

Heres an interesting quid: imagine a color never seen before - now thats impossible.

[CrAz3D]

I can think of what an alien looks like in my head right now, even though i've never seen it before, I can still make it up in my mind conciously, why couldn't I when i'm sleeping?

No, he means imagine something in your head you have no preconceived idea about......and have it match EXACTLY the real thing.


...maybe sorta like if I were to draw a shape on a piece of paper right now & you were to imagein what it looked like without seeing/hearing about it.

[MyndFyre]

Chances are you can - you just may not have consciously recognized it and processed it.  We have attentional processing which helps us sort through all the tons of information we perceive.  Like as I sit here and chat on the forum, I'm only vaguely aware of the "Cats are Democrats, Dogs are Republicans" poster to my right.  It turns out that you also have a blind spot behind your head where you're still conscious of something being there but you can't actually see it in your field of view (your retinal image is therefore slightly larger than your viewing frustrum). 

Anyway, if you'd never seen a cat but dreamt about one, it's highly likely that you actually saw one, and because it was extraneous to whatever situation you saw it in, you didn't pay attention to it, but it just happened to get filed away til you dreamt about it!

[rabbit]

But what're the chances of your mind procuring something that extremely accurate when it has nothing to base itself off of? He kept bringing up creativity, but I don't think dreams have anything to do with creativity.

chasing me through a nuclear power plant

[iago]

A few nights ago, I dreamt that I met a person who I've never met before.  The person was perfectly detailed, and somebody who I'd recognize if I was to see again. 

I am reasonably sure that you can dream anything you can imagine.  If I've never seen a cat, but I could think to myself, "I wonder what it would be like to see a small, furry, pointy-eared mammel with no respect for humans?", along with an imagined shape, then I think it would be possible to dream of it.

[TeHFoOoL]

A few nights ago, I dreamt that I met a person who I've never met before.  The person was perfectly detailed, and somebody who I'd recognize if I was to see again. 

I am reasonably sure that you can dream anything you can imagine.  If I've never seen a cat, but I could think to myself, "I wonder what it would be like to see a small, furry, pointy-eared mammel with no respect for humans?", along with an imagined shape, then I think it would be possible to dream of it.

Sure it would be, but what are the chances that what you thought up in your head is the exact same looks as a cat now?

[Sidoh]

Sure it would be, but what are the chances that what you thought up in your head is the exact same looks as a cat now?

He said it was possible, not probable.  It makes sense and it's logical.  What else is there to prove? :\

[TeHFoOoL]

Sure it would be, but what are the chances that what you thought up in your head is the exact same looks as a cat now?

He said it was possible, not probable.  It makes sense and it's logical.  What else is there to prove? :\

Okay, there's a possibility. But the chances are going to be one in a google.

[Joe]

Not that anybody could care less, but I think that's entirely possible. It's not called a dream, though, but it's called a vision, or prophecy. As for them not making sence, see the book of Revelation. That's confusing++.

[iago]

Sure it would be, but what are the chances that what you thought up in your head is the exact same looks as a cat now?

He said it was possible, not probable.  It makes sense and it's logical.  What else is there to prove? :\

Okay, there's a possibility. But the chances are going to be one in a google.

So what?  The chance is there. 

Also, I hope people noticed my humour while describing cats.  I don't really like cats :)

Not that anybody could care less, but I think that's entirely possible. It's not called a dream, though, but it's called a vision, or prophecy. As for them not making sence, see the book of Revelation. That's confusing++.

There's no proof that those exist in any way, so they can't be presented as proof in an argument. 

[GameSnake]

Heres an interesting quid: imagine a color never seen before - now thats impossible.

I was hoping to get input on this idea.