Jesus in Canada or just some crazy dude that heals people???

[Joe]

And if he wasn't a Christian, why the hell would God choose him as a vessel for healing?  Your religion sucks.

Exactly why I rest my point.

Take your own advice.  I didn't see anything in the original article about him being Christian... guess what that means?

That I didn't read the article.

[leet_muffin]

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Take your own advice.  I didn't see anything in the original article about him being Christian... guess what that means?

That I didn't read the article.

Which leads to the next question: Have you read the Bible?

[Sidoh]

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That I didn't read the article.

Then don't go claiming he's some advocate for Christianity... that is asinine in nearly every possible way.

[Joe]

I was simply saying that the laws of physics can be broken and that healing isn't always a placebo.

[d&q]

Omfg! The laws can never be broken! That's why they're laws! If supernatural occurences have actually happened, I would think it would work in some way as to not destroy the Laws as we know it. :'(

[iago]

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I was simply saying that the laws of physics can be broken and that healing isn't always a placebo.

If the laws of physics can't be broken, then how does God perform miracles?  God and Physics don't quite get along. 

[rabbit]

A la Intelligent Design.  We don't understand everything in the universe, Joe.  It's possible that God is just a being on a higher plane of existence (ie: an 8th dimensional life form), which would allow it to do things that 3rd dimensional life forms (ie: us) would interpret as "miraculous", because we can't really experience 8 physical dimensions.

So, my point is, he is not a prophet.  He is not an 8th dimensional being.  He is a person.  It's coincidence.  What I'm saying is that we don't know how the universe works, so it doesn't really matter.

[Sidoh]

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I was simply saying that the laws of physics can be broken and that healing isn't always a placebo.

I think that God controls the Universe in ways possible through destiny.  He doesn't reach his hand in and break the laws of Physics.  When he set the Universe in motion, he made every last, inconceivable event destined to happen.

Omfg! The laws can never be broken! That's why they're laws! If supernatural occurences have actually happened, I would think it would work in some way as to not destroy the Laws as we know it. :'(

Hehe, that's why I believe in what I've posted above.

So, my point is, he is not a prophet.  He is not an 8th dimensional being.  He is a person.  It's coincidence.  What I'm saying is that we don't know how the universe works, so it doesn't really matter.

You shouldn't make such objective statements about such subjective issues. :P

[rabbit]

Give me evidence he is anything more than human.

[Sidoh]

Give me evidence he is anything more than human.

Give me evidence that he is anything less than the son of God.

[iago]

Give me evidence he is anything more than human.

Give me evidence that he is anything less than the son of God.

The base assumption would be that he's a human, just like his parents are human and everybody else is human.  If you want to assert that he has any super-natural powers, then the burden of proof is on you. 

Plus, it's impossible to prove that somebody doesn't have supernatural powers.  Can you prove that I can't shoot lightening out of my ass?

[Sidoh]

The base assumption would be that he's a human, just like his parents are human and everybody else is human.  If you want to assert that he has any super-natural powers, then the burden of proof is on you. 

The "base assumption" is subjective.  I don't have to adopt such logic. :P

Plus, it's impossible to prove that somebody doesn't have supernatural powers.  Can you prove that I can't shoot lightening out of my ass?

HAHAHAHA.

It's also impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the mirracles Jesus performed where factual.  Faith closes that gap.

[iago]

It's possible to prove that somebody has supernatural powers, though. 

If there's no proof that Jesus did, and you believe it without evidence, then that's blind faith, not faith.  You can't believe something solely because it's written down, it also has to make sense and be logical.

[Sidoh]

It's possible to prove that somebody has supernatural powers, though. 

Not from word of mouth and ancient scrolls saying he did.

If there's no proof that Jesus did, and you believe it without evidence, then that's blind faith, not faith.  You can't believe something solely because it's written down, it also has to make sense and be logical.

There's also no proof that he didn't.  Faith is defined as believing in something that has little or no logical reason.  I'm unaware of any other sort of faith for this subject.  I believe in it because I have faith that what the Bible is composed of is factual, not because I've logically concluded that it is factual.

[Tuberload]

Christianity says that people DON'T have powers, God does.  Jesus had powers because he was the son of God.  If some other fellow has them, then he's either:
a) Son of God
b) Son of Satan (anti-christ, anybody?)
c) Proof against christianity
d) A fraud

I tend towards (d). 

Christianity does state that people are given divine talents and abilities (this could be translated into powers). Some of our talents are without repentance [meaning that we do not have to change our ways and come to Christ], and others are given to us by the authority of Christ our Lord and the Father. Prophetic abilities, the ability to pray for ones healing [God ultimately heals the person in the end, but at the request of an authorized believer], divine visions, my new found understanding and knowledge of the word [whether you choose to believe it or not] could all be considered powers. Some of us are here to set the way for the coming of the Lord, others to mislead and steal from the Lord.

There are also false prophets, and antichrist, which will perform miracles on behalf of the Evil one. Satan is in control of this world, and he knows that half truths are more powerful than full blown lies, so it only makes sense that he would heal people in an attempt to lead people away from the Lord.

The prophecies however have not been fulfilled, and when the Lord returns to this world you will know it. May God have mercy on our souls?