Kramer loses it! (Black people are involved.)

[leet_muffin]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=z7KctT839u0 (NSFW)

Hah. Not sure whether to post here or Humor.

[BigAznDaddy]

Well after that I think he may have been a confederate in his past life. "WHITE POWER!"

[CrAz3D]

I would've chuckled as it happened I bet

[leet_muffin]

Yeah, it cracked me up when he was talking about "50 YEARS AGO...." and the whole audience started laughing. Then he said the magic word and shut up the crowd.

[CrAz3D]

After watching it again...I laughed.

But still, his voice was scarily serious, not so funny.

Still, if you don't want to be yelled at don't be interrupting the act

[deadly7]

Thank god someone told a bunch of niggers to shut it.  That was the funniest thing I've heard in about a month.

In news tomorrow: Michael Richards found dumped in dumpster.

[dark_drake]

I don't get it.  A white guy calls a black guy a 'nigger', people get upset.  A black guy calls another black guy a 'nigger', it's acceptable. 

[rabbit]

Black guy says "BLACK POWER!" and gets an award for 'African American Heritage Proudness' or some shit.
White guy says "WHITE POWER!" and gets shot 73 times in the face.

[dark_drake]

Black guy says "BLACK POWER!" and gets an award for 'African American Heritage Proudness' or some shit.
White guy says "WHITE POWER!" and gets shot 73 times in the face.

LMAO!

[CrAz3D]

I just read a thing in my GOVT book about some college republican/conservative groups a few years back held a bake sale.

Best bake sale idea I've ever heard of!

They sold brownies & cookies for one price to Asians & White people while they sold the same to Black & Hispanic people for slightly cheaper.
Some schools shut them down (& then reopened after it hit the media & people got upset that it was shut down), some schools supported it & said that the sale "encouraged debate that is needed on campuses"

I want to do this sometime, it'd be hella sweet.

[d&q]

Black guy says "BLACK POWER!" and gets an award for 'African American Heritage Proudness' or some shit.
White guy says "WHITE POWER!" and gets shot 73 times in the face.

Similar phrases but different meanings. If someone says "black power", I think, "Hm, this negro here wants racial equality, because he thinks it's his right." But when I hear "white power", most likely the white master wants to separate the obviously superior white race and dominate the chinks, sand-niggers, spics, and whoever else they deem hopelessly inferior.

[Warrior]

It should be known that calling someone a "nigger" is racist while calling someone a "nigga" is not and means friend or homie.

However to use this word you must gain the respect of the black people around you if you arn't black yourself. Basically, they use it as a word to call each other and want it exclusively for them and others they allow.

Even I approach this word with caution and use it extremely rarely.

[CrAz3D]

Yay double standards

[Warrior]

Yay double standards

Yea those mean old black people who's ancestors were forced into slavery are soo cruel to those poor poor white people.

[iago]

Even I approach this word with caution and use it extremely rarely.

And after all, Warrior should know -- he's black!

[CrAz3D]

Yay double standards

Yea those mean old black people who's ancestors were forced into slavery are soo cruel to those poor poor white people.

Yes, but only because I don't quite fully understand your sarcasm.

Affirmative action is still racism, so, it should be stopped.

Even I approach this word with caution and use it extremely rarely.

And after all, Warrior should know -- he's black!

Would trust be qualified as trans-racial?

[Warrior]

haha @ iago.

Well what trust does is different, he uses the racist terms in a jokingly and over the internet

I understand what you're saying fully crazed, of course I can't guarantee the person you call a nigger or nigga will. I'm just telling you how it is. It will probably take several years for this to subside.

[CrAz3D]

It will probably take several years for this to subside.

LOL!  Considering its already been decades?
And with all of the pro-equality for XXXX groups we have, its never gonna end.

Until special interests groups like black rights, indian rights, etc. stop existing there is always going to be a double standard.

(I still think chartering a "We Have the Intentions for True Equality" (basically "Straight White Male") group would be awesomely hilarious)

[Warrior]

It will probably take several years for this to subside.

LOL!  Considering its already been decades?
And with all of the pro-equality for XXXX groups we have, its never gonna end.

Until special interests groups like black rights, indian rights, etc. stop existing there is always going to be a double standard.

(I still think chartering a "We Have the Intentions for True Equality" (basically "Straight White Male") group would be awesomely hilarious)

And how long were they slaves? Most of the modern times, even predating the United States.

[CrAz3D]

It will probably take several years for this to subside.

LOL!  Considering its already been decades?
And with all of the pro-equality for XXXX groups we have, its never gonna end.

Until special interests groups like black rights, indian rights, etc. stop existing there is always going to be a double standard.

(I still think chartering a "We Have the Intentions for True Equality" (basically "Straight White Male") group would be awesomely hilarious)

And how long were they slaves? Most of the modern times, even predating the United States.

I was just laughing that you said years, that time period is too short. 

[rabbit]

"Because some old dudes that have been dead for a couple hundred years forced some old dudes that have been dead for several hundred years into slavery, you can't say the word 'nigger'!"  Hurray!  I fucking hate it when people say something 'racist' and then black people say "well you made us slaves" or some dumb shit like that.

[iago]

"Because some old dudes that have been dead for a couple hundred years forced some old dudes that have been dead for several hundred years into slavery, you can't say the word 'nigger'!"  Hurray!  I fucking hate it when people say something 'racist' and then black people say "well you made us slaves" or some dumb shit like that.

It hasn't been "several hundred years".  The civil was was what, 150 years ago? 

Also, there's more to it than just slavery -- black people were denied basic freedoms as recently as 50 years ago. 

[CrAz3D]

"Because some old dudes that have been dead for a couple hundred years forced some old dudes that have been dead for several hundred years into slavery, you can't say the word 'nigger'!"  Hurray!  I fucking hate it when people say something 'racist' and then black people say "well you made us slaves" or some dumb shit like that.

That part doesnt bother me so much, the part where minorities get better treatment is what bothers me.

Like job applications, school admittance, scholarships, etc.

"Because some old dudes that have been dead for a couple hundred years forced some old dudes that have been dead for several hundred years into slavery, you can't say the word 'nigger'!"  Hurray!  I fucking hate it when people say something 'racist' and then black people say "well you made us slaves" or some dumb shit like that.

It hasn't been "several hundred years".  The civil was was what, 150 years ago? 

Also, there's more to it than just slavery -- black people were denied basic freedoms as recently as 50 years ago. 

So because racism happened then it can happen now?

2 wrongs dont make a right

[Warrior]

"Because some old dudes that have been dead for a couple hundred years forced some old dudes that have been dead for several hundred years into slavery, you can't say the word 'nigger'!"  Hurray!  I fucking hate it when people say something 'racist' and then black people say "well you made us slaves" or some dumb shit like that.

I'd be willing to bet you'd be in the same position if things were reversed. There is still an extremely high number of racist people in the world today, it's not like everything is great and we're one united planet.
Slavery in their eyes only was officially ended when they got equal rights as a citizen. They were still discriminated up until a little after the Civil Rights Movement. That to them was still slavery.

[Ender]

The racist sentiment in this discussion is disturbing. Of course there are despicable black people and despicable white people; they're inherent in any population. Kramer just so happened to have some disruptive black people in his audience. But mischief is inevitable in any atmosphere -- Kramer should know this. He made a generalization that degraded the black race based on a sample of a few disruptive black men. I can pick out a few disruptive white men and women and then make the same generalization about the white race.

The underlying issue here is that black people and minorities are at a socioeconomical disadvantage. But it is ludicrous to say that this disadvantage implies inherent flaws and inferiorities in certain ethnicities. The middle class mires minorities in segregated ghettos and puts them at an educational disadvantage. We, the privileged, are the perpetrators of their socioeconomic disadvantage.

We stole them away from their homeland, brought them into slavery, and now we impose cultural oppression. We still have yet to make amends and pay the reparations. Affirmative action is not motivated by racism -- it's a means of fixing our mistakes.

[d&q]

Haha, I like how you generalized about black people. For one, none of my relatives ever were slaves, and I'm definitely not at a socioeconomical disadvantage  . Actually, I can go so far as to say that the majority of the minorities from where I am have the same educational advantages as any white. And even if they fail at academics, theres always rap music and basketball.

[rabbit]

it is ludicrous to say that this disadvantage implies inherent flaws and inferiorities in certain ethnicities.

If they are just as capable as everyone else, why have affirmative action?

[d&q]

it is ludicrous to say that this disadvantage implies inherent flaws and inferiorities in certain ethnicities.

If they are just as capable as everyone else, why have affirmative action?

Many believe that because of the centuries of slavery and the hopelessness accompanied with it, that the native black population has the lack of ambition inculcated upon them to the point where the people who caused this tragedy should make amends by offering incentives to attend colleges and pull their minority group out of this social funk.

[iago]

And even if they fail at academics, theres always rap music and basketball.

Haha

[deadly7]

Many believe that because of the centuries of slavery and the hopelessness accompanied with it, that the native black population has the lack of ambition inculcated upon them to the point where the people who caused this tragedy should make amends by offering incentives to attend colleges and pull their minority group out of this social funk.

Yeah, because the majority of black people are actually smart enough to realize that the drugs, gangs, and other stupid shit they do [obviously I'm generalizing] won't get them into college.  I can think of one black person that goes to school with me that I know even gives a damn about his life.

[Krazed]

Funny story about a bunch of white people arguing about blacks. They were slaves, sure, go fucking cry about it. Just about every single race/ethnic group was at one point slaves, blacks have just been using it as an excuse for the past few decades now. Fuck it, get over it.

[Furious]

I didn't read through all of this, but I did a good portion.  Just so everyone is clear on this, you all do realize that we didn't go to Africa and just take them right?  Other African tribes enslaved them and sold them to other people.  So in a way - we actually gave the blacks freedom.

[leet_muffin]

The condition of African slaves in the South was often better than that of Irish immigrants in the North.

[Sidoh]

I agree with you, muffin (without the racist comments, mind you).  I don't feel that I should be inclined to feel sympathy for people who think that the suffering of their ancestors is somehow manifesting itself in their lives and forcing them to demand repentance.  I find it annoying that they think we should apologize for something we never did.

The underlying issue here is that black people and minorities are at a socioeconomical disadvantage. But it is ludicrous to say that this disadvantage implies inherent flaws and inferiorities in certain ethnicities. The middle class mires minorities in segregated ghettos and puts them at an educational disadvantage. We, the privileged, are the perpetrators of their socioeconomic disadvantage.

And it's ludicrous to think that something that is (obviously) so natural will dissipate like magic into thin air.  There are universities that accept people with ethnic background other than Caucasian for that simple, useless reason: because they're not white.  It's an unfair world.  People should stop treating it like it is one.  I'm not justifying racism or even arguing for its seemingly universal existence, but you need to realize that bitching like this isn't going to do anything.

I'm sure I'd have a harder time training and qualifying for the Olympic 100 meter dash than the average black person my age, but does that mean that I should lose all hope of ever standing a chance if it interests me?  I realize that this is a genetic predisposition, but is that any less real than a psychological one?  Shouldn't white people get some sort of handicap in running since black people naturally run better?

We stole them away from their homeland, brought them into slavery, and now we impose cultural oppression. We still have yet to make amends and pay the reparations. Affirmative action is not motivated by racism -- it's a means of fixing our mistakes.

No we did not.  I'm tired of hearing this bullshit.  Our ancestors stole them away from their homeland and brought them into slavery.  Hell, what am I talking about?  My ancestors were Native American and Norwegian.  You took away my land too!  I demand that you send me a bag of cookies, Ender.  Now!  You thieving bastard!

Seriously, I tire of hearing about how we need to fix "our" mistakes.  All we need to do is grant equal rights (which we have done) and teach our offspring that these equal rights are correct, human and sensible (which I assume all of us are doing).  I sure as hell am not going to give the first black hobo I find my earnings for the week.  You're more than welcome to.  I'd commend you if you did it, but don't do it for stupid reasoning.  Do it because you care, not because you're sorry for what your great great grandfather did to some arbitrary slave two hundred years ago.

[MyndFyre]

Yea those mean old black people who's ancestors were forced into slavery are soo cruel to those poor poor white people.

You know what?  This is pure unadulterated bullshit. 

My relatives had nothing to do with the slave trade.  My great-grandfather came here to escape the Bolshevik Revolution and had his name changed from "Kostikovich" to "Smith."  My grandfather came here from Germany about 3 years before World War II and went to war against the Nazis, and was part of D-Day.  I'm a third-generation American, none of my immigrant ancestors had money nor were they from imperialist countries involved in the slave trade.

Furthermore, nobody living today has been a slave, nor have they been slavers.  I've never been a slaver.  I've never tried to make someone a slave.  (Well, except that one girl that one night...).  The fact of the matter is, I have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about.  And I don't care what it is that you say, there's nothing that you can do that will make me feel guilty.  Sure, it was shitty that Africans were sold out by their own people and enslaved by a bunch of people.  Yeah, that's really shitty.  But it's certainly nothing that in any way has anything at all to do with me.

Finally, I think it's pretty fucking annoying when people try to make me feel guilty about it.  Guess what - I have the right to speak my mind in any manner I choose.  Free speech doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want, but it means that I have the right to express my ideas and opinions free of persecution.  It means that I should have the right to say whatever I want without offending anyone, because, quite frankly, being offended doesn't make you tangibly hurt.  There is no physical damage, and the offense you perceived was actually only offensive because you have perceived it that way.

Sorry if I sound annoyed and pissed off about this kind of discussion.  It's because these kinds of things piss me off.  I don't have white guilt.  Deal.

[rabbit]

The condition of African slaves in the South was often better than that of Irish immigrants in the North.

Fuck black people.  Where the hell are my reparations?

[CrAz3D]

The underlying issue here is that black people and minorities are at a socioeconomical disadvantage. But it is ludicrous to say that this disadvantage implies inherent flaws and inferiorities in certain ethnicities. The middle class mires minorities in segregated ghettos and puts them at an educational disadvantage. We, the privileged, are the perpetrators of their socioeconomic disadvantage.

Segregation might happen, but thats just because thats how it happens.  I know plenty of black people that haven't fucked up their life and ended up in the ghetto.  They go to school, learn, graduate, and go on to get jobs (not at KFC/McDonalds/BurgerKing).

We stole them away from their homeland, brought them into slavery, and now we impose cultural oppression. We still have yet to make amends and pay the reparations. Affirmative action is not motivated by racism -- it's a means of fixing our mistakes.

Maybe we should send them all back?  Imagine how they'd feel about that.  Also, I believe school dress codes making guys wear pants that go around their waste don't oppress them culturally.
And why ought we to pay reparations?  No one alive today was a slave and I have enslaved no one.



Affirmative action is reverse racism, if you don't see that you're naive

[d&q]

Yea those mean old black people who's ancestors were forced into slavery are soo cruel to those poor poor white people.

Myndfyre's obscenely large post.

I've never seen anyone(black or otherwise) try to force "white guilt" upon anyone else. Also, in this topic, I've only seen where people have said "the blacks should be helped" and other generalizing statements, instead of "those damn crackers should feel guilty".

[Sidoh]

I've never seen anyone(black or otherwise) try to force "white guilt" upon anyone else. Also, in this topic, I've only seen where people have said "the blacks should be helped" and other generalizing statements, instead of "those damn crackers should feel guilty".

I've never been seriously confronted by anyone and told that I need to pay up, but I know it does happen.

What do you mean "the blacks should have helped?"  I'm saying all people who think they should receive payment for something bad that happened to their great great grandfather's former roommate should pull their head out of their ass and realize that the people they're yelling at did nothing wrong.  I'm not accusing any one race; the ones I used were an example.

[Ender]

I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about the effects of the past on the present. We still haven't fixed the problem. It's not a debt; it's a problem that exists today that has not been properly addressed. Minorities are segregated and disadvantaged. Affirmative action is one way to fix this. At the heart of all solutions, however, is integration. Affirmative action integrates different ethnicities with different backgrounds in colleges. We should be doing this for compulsory education as well. Yes, there are programs like METCO -- but there is still tacit segregation in schools, according to lunchtime tables, peer groups, etc. Furthermore, there is undeniable evidence that minorities take less advanced classes than others. Do you think this is because they do not have the same intellectual potential? That is absurd... it's because they grow up very differently and thus have a different outlook on life.

It's not so much that disadvantaged people don't have a way of getting into college. It's that they grow up in completely different conditions than we do so we can't relate what we would do to what they would do. Growing up privileged gives people a different view on life. Whereas the people in ghettos may worry about survival, we worry about grades.

It is very dangerous to use "we" in argument. By "we", as I mentioned before, I mean what I think of as "privileged people". By "privileged" I mean people who don't have to worry about primitive needs such as food and housing, and educational disadvantages such as a segregated environment, feeling alien when going to school, no internet or computers, etc.

Furthermore, I regret generalizing all minorities to be unprivileged. This is obviously not the case. I'm speaking about the majority.

Remember to refrain from ad hominem attacks.

[iago]

Affirmative action is one way to fix this.

Does it really fix anything?  I think that it creates more animosity from a lot of people who see it as "dey took our jobs!!"

Remember to refrain from ad hominem attacks.

Ender supports clubbing baby eskimos.  Why should we trust him?

[Ender]

Affirmative action is one way to fix this.

Does it really fix anything?  I think that it creates more animosity from a lot of people who see it as "dey took our jobs!!"

Life isn't fair. Yet life would be more fair if certain groups were not at an inherent disadvantage. Integrating the living environments of privileged groups and disadvantaged groups would make a lot of progress. Sure, it wouldn't be fair to some people, but life isn't fair! Whatever we do, nothing will ever be completely fair; progress can be thought of as a catch-22 in which we must always take the least evil option.

[CrAz3D]

Life isn't fair. Yet life would be more fair if certain groups were not at an inherent disadvantage.

So these people are naturally disadvantaged?  So since its natural that they can't do as well as "we" can, they've inferior?  Are you saying affirmative action is there so we can feel good about helping out the inferior races?  If so, then I support it because they can't help themselves if they're inferior.
But I don't believe that they are disadvantaged currently.  I believe everyone can make their life better by working hard to better themselves, WITHOUT government "hand ups"

but life isn't fair!

So then we OBVIOUSLY shouldn't care whether or not they are at a disadvantage, DUH

[Sidoh]

Life isn't fair. Yet life would be more fair if certain groups were not at an inherent disadvantage. Integrating the living environments of privileged groups and disadvantaged groups would make a lot of progress. Sure, it wouldn't be fair to some people, but life isn't fair! Whatever we do, nothing will ever be completely fair; progress can be thought of as a catch-22 in which we must always take the least evil option.

Which is exactly why I wish you would have read my last post.  I don't care if they're at a disadvantage (unless it's because we haven't granted this person equal rights).  I'm at a disadvantage for several things as well, but that doesn't mean that kicking and screaming will do anything about it.

[Ender]

Practically, when we try to improve conditions in America, we tend to the plurality of disadvantaged groups. You're in college, so I'm pretty sure you're not in that plurality, even though you may have had some disadvantages. I'm arguing that the people in ghettos who must deal with financial, educational, and general environmental disadvantages are the plurality. Furthermore, we logically tend to the youth as well. So the target group should be the population of youth living in ghettos.

[Ender]

Life isn't fair. Yet life would be more fair if certain groups were not at an inherent disadvantage.

So these people are naturally disadvantaged?  So since its natural that they can't do as well as "we" can, they've inferior?  Are you saying affirmative action is there so we can feel good about helping out the inferior races?  If so, then I support it because they can't help themselves if they're inferior.
But I don't believe that they are disadvantaged currently.  I believe everyone can make their life better by working hard to better themselves, WITHOUT government "hand ups"

I don't mean they are innately disadvantaged. I mean they grow up disadvantaged. The former is ludicrous.

but life isn't fair!

So then we OBVIOUSLY shouldn't care whether or not they are at a disadvantage, DUH

Yes, we shouldn't strive to make progress in America...

[Sidoh]

This includes (white) kids who are born in the trailer parks, I presume?  Giving people like this some sort of compensation for their disposition sounds a lot like communism to me...

[CrAz3D]

but life isn't fair!

So then we OBVIOUSLY shouldn't care whether or not they are at a disadvantage, DUH

Yes, we shouldn't strive to make progress in America...

but you said life isnt fair...why should I make it less fair by giving someone else an advantage that they dont deserve.


I agree with Sidoh.

Also, being in a disadvantaged situation myself, I don't have specific aid for it.  I don't have the Native American scholarship stuff, I don't currently use federal aid (need based) eventhough I'm sure I qualify.

[Ender]

There's a fine line between communism and integration. Integrating schools was a step in the right direction, although some people deemed it unfair; don't you think that integrating communities would be the same way?

Affirmative action is another way to do this; it is an economic means, and sure, it may sound a bit like communism (although it is clearly a stretch to even make this analogy). I think that affirmative action is good but integrating communities is an even better approach.  The goal is to desegregate America, and affirmative action doesn't help much during compulsory education, before college and jobs.

[Sidoh]

Absolutely not.  I don't think people should receive benefits aside from what they already get (welfare, etc) because they've deemed themselves incapable of getting their lives together.

[CrAz3D]

There's a fine line between communism and integration. Integrating schools was a step in the right direction, although some people deemed it unfair; don't you think that integrating communities would be the same way?

Affirmative action is another way to do this; it is an economic means, and sure, it may sound a bit like communism (although it is clearly a stretch to even make this analogy). I think that affirmative action is good but integrating communities is an even better approach.  The goal is to desegregate America, and affirmative action doesn't help much during compulsory education, before college and jobs.

Integrating the schools levels the playing field and gives everyone an equal education.  Affirmative action gives benefits to one group based not on their merit but on their ethnicity.

[Ender]

I was talking more about socioeconomic desegregation by means of integrating communities. Affirmative action is a separate issue. I was saying affirmative action is one way to desegregate; but the better way is integration.

[Sidoh]

Pedantic grammar police speaking: stop murdering the semicolon.

So what you're proposing is we pull the people out of the ghettos, throw them into the 'burbs and hope they'll thrive?

[CrAz3D]

Pedantic grammar police speaking: stop murdering the semicolon.

So what you're proposing is we pull the people out of the ghettos, throw them into the 'burbs and hope they'll thrive?

Thats what I read.

Maybe you (Ender) should give up your house (assuming it is in a non-ghetto neighborhood) & move into the ghetto so some poor people can have your house & do better in life.  Also, get your parents to trade jobs with the people.  Make sure the ghetto people aren't white though cause they aren't disadvantaged and deserve what they have.

[Ender]

Pedantic grammar police speaking: stop murdering the semicolon.

So what you're proposing is we pull the people out of the ghettos, throw them into the 'burbs and hope they'll thrive?

Taking people out of the ghettos and throwing them into the suburbs is the wrong way to do it; instead (ph33r da semic0l0n) we should deconstruct the notion of a ghetto by improving the living conditions in such places. This will cause an amalgam of people with different ethnic and economic backgrounds to move there and diversify the areas.

[leet_muffin]

But wouldn't we be killing their culture? Isn't that bad? Personally, I fully support killing their culture, but eh.

[deadly7]

we should deconstruct the notion of a ghetto by improving the living conditions in such places. This will cause an amalgam of people with different ethnic and economic backgrounds to move there and diversify the areas.

Rich celebrities (basketball players that experienced those conditions growing up, mostly) have spent millions total in improving certain "ghetto"s in bigger cities like Atlanta.  It hasn't worked.  Do you know why?  The black people it was supposed to be helping did not wish to change.  Black people have been given chances, they're even eating up welfare and what not.  While this is not true for a small minority of them, the majority of them lives in the ghetto, and despite however much they might complain, it's their own fucking fault.  I'm sick of people saying it's white people's faults (even though I'm not white) when it isn't.  Whose fault is it that black people commit crimes?  White people, right?  Of course!  Affirmative action is the way to go.  Let's take college spots from people who might actually DO SOMETHING in life and give them to people that are statistically more likely to drop out and incur debt.  It's their own fucking fault they go around getting high, getting kicked out of school, trying to be all tough and picking fights.  To hell with black people like that.  I also know a couple of black people who are the complete opposite -- they care.  If *they* got picked over white people, it wouldn't bug me one bit -- they work hard, they try, they don't do stupid shit that I hate.  They also don't think they have every right to get something because they're black.

[Sidoh]

Taking people out of the ghettos and throwing them into the suburbs is the wrong way to do it; instead (ph33r da semic0l0n) we should deconstruct the notion of a ghetto by improving the living conditions in such places. This will cause an amalgam of people with different ethnic and economic backgrounds to move there and diversify the areas.

I didn't say you were overusing the semicolon, I meant you were misusing it.

So you're bringing the suburbs to the ghettos?  I can think of more useful causes for tax money...

[dark_drake]

I can think of more useful causes for tax money...

Give it to me! 

[trust]

I love how the black people responded to the racist remarks by calling him a cracker.

Fucking morons.

[CrAz3D]

Now that I think of it....did they ever apologize to him for heckling him???

[trust]

No, they don't have to. They're black.

It's not like the white people ever apologized for slavery...

Oh wait.

[d&q]

I'm going to assume that you're not quite that stupid and ask you simple question. Have you ever thought that maybe those guys acted like jackasses not because they were black but because they were...jackasses? I know, I know, its a revolutionary idea, but give it time to sink in and maybe it'll permeate through your stereotypical barriers.

[Warrior]

Yea those mean old black people who's ancestors were forced into slavery are soo cruel to those poor poor white people.

You know what?  This is pure unadulterated bullshit. 

My relatives had nothing to do with the slave trade.  My great-grandfather came here to escape the Bolshevik Revolution and had his name changed from "Kostikovich" to "Smith."  My grandfather came here from Germany about 3 years before World War II and went to war against the Nazis, and was part of D-Day.  I'm a third-generation American, none of my immigrant ancestors had money nor were they from imperialist countries involved in the slave trade.

Furthermore, nobody living today has been a slave, nor have they been slavers.  I've never been a slaver.  I've never tried to make someone a slave.  (Well, except that one girl that one night...).  The fact of the matter is, I have absolutely nothing to feel guilty about.  And I don't care what it is that you say, there's nothing that you can do that will make me feel guilty.  Sure, it was shitty that Africans were sold out by their own people and enslaved by a bunch of people.  Yeah, that's really shitty.  But it's certainly nothing that in any way has anything at all to do with me.

Finally, I think it's pretty fucking annoying when people try to make me feel guilty about it.  Guess what - I have the right to speak my mind in any manner I choose.  Free speech doesn't mean that I can say whatever I want, but it means that I have the right to express my ideas and opinions free of persecution.  It means that I should have the right to say whatever I want without offending anyone, because, quite frankly, being offended doesn't make you tangibly hurt.  There is no physical damage, and the offense you perceived was actually only offensive because you have perceived it that way.

Sorry if I sound annoyed and pissed off about this kind of discussion.  It's because these kinds of things piss me off.  I don't have white guilt.  Deal.

k cool. For one, I never even stated your ancestors did anything. I really don't care.

The fact of the matter is, they were enslaved by white people in the United States and had pretty horrible things done to them. They weren't even treated fairly until the Civil Rights movement.

I don't care how you try to justify this, they are still hurt from all of this and still extremely paranoid. Hell, most Americans still think of it as a touchy subject they try to sweep under the rug.

So compared to people who's ancestors have been enslaved by their own people and then by their own country, you're just whining because you get beat up for uttering one word around a black person?

My opinion? Cry more.

[trust]

I'm going to assume that you're not quite that stupid and ask you simple question. Have you ever thought that maybe those guys acted like jackasses not because they were black but because they were...jackasses? I know, I know, its a revolutionary idea, but give it time to sink in and maybe it'll permeate through your stereotypical barriers.

What I'm saying is that their remarks were just as racist.

k cool. For one, I never even stated your ancestors did anything. I really don't care.

The fact of the matter is, they were enslaved by white people in the United States and had pretty horrible things done to them. They weren't even treated fairly until the Civil Rights movement.

I don't care how you try to justify this, they are still hurt from all of this and still extremely paranoid. Hell, most Americans still think of it as a touchy subject they try to sweep under the rug.

So compared to people who's ancestors have been enslaved by their own people and then by their own country, you're just whining because you get beat up for uttering one word around a black person?

My opinion? Cry more.

Find me one person who was a slave in America. (I don't mean somebody who was like a sex slave or something else, I mean slave as defined by the image you get when thinking of a Southern plantation during the Civil War) You won't find any, because they're dead. How are these people hurt? They aren't, they just use it as leverage to get what they want. I agree with MyndFyre, I feel no remorse and no guilt for what happened. I wasn't the cause of it and I shouldn't be required to answer for it. And technically they weren't enslaved by their country.

My opinion? Cry more. They can continue to cry about how hurt they were by slavery. It doesn't change the fact that they weren't there to experience it and many black people are successful and living great lives these days without the white man bringing them down.

[AntiVirus]

I agree with MyndFyre, deadly, and Trust. 

I don't feel bad at all for what my ancestors did.  I say "my" ancestors because half of my family were once plantation owners.  I feel no remorse for what they did.  I was not there, I did not partake in this in any way.  Why should I feel bad?  Black (I will just focus on this minority race) people need to change their mind set.  The ones that grow up in ghettos and get involved in gangs and other organized criminal groups are one of the primary contributors to the black person persona.  They need to focus on what they want and stop crying about it and using slavery as an escape goat.  If they want to get out of the ghettos, then they need to get out of gangs and try hard in schools.  They need to try and make something out of their lives.  Stop sulking and crying about the oppression of your ancestors and instead focus on the future and try to make your life and the lives of the generations to come, better.

When I used to work at The Great Wolf Lodge, the majority of the problems came from black families.  They were always trying to scam me, lie to me, and try and take advantage of my generosity.  After working there, my whole mind-set of black people has changed -- for the worse.  I have no sympathy for people who don't want to help themselves, but instead want everyone else to feel sorry for them and do all of the work for them.

[trust]

What did you do at The Great Wolf Lodge that allowed them to take advantage of your generosity?

[AntiVirus]

I worked in the Arcade and fixed the games when they broke.  They (the blacks) would always tell me something was wrong, and I would just give them tokens (after looking at the machine and finding *NOTHING* wrong with it), because it would make them happy.  However, they kept coming up to me saying other machines were broken just because they wanted more tokens.  I even tested them by saying I couldn't give them any more tokens, and magically, no other games broke for them.  I did this MANY times with the same results.  Every-now-and-again there would be a very honest, nice black family, but that was rare.

We once had these key chains sitting out on the front counter for people to get a closer look at them until we noticed them disappearing.  We caught a black lady with like 5 key chains and we called security (was the standard procedure if something was stolen).  The black lady started yelling at the lead (a female Mexican) and the officers (one of whom was black) and actually called them racist, etc.  I have so many stories that justify my beliefs, that it's not even funny.

[CrAz3D]

I worked in the Arcade and fixed the games when they broke.  They (the blacks) would always tell me something was wrong, and I would just give them tokens (after looking at the machine and finding *NOTHING* wrong with it), because it would make them happy.  However, they kept coming up to me saying other machines were broken just because they wanted more tokens.  I even tested them by saying I couldn't give them any more tokens, and magically, no other games broke for them.  I did this MANY times with the same results.  Every-now-and-again there would be a very honest, nice black family, but that was rare.

We once had these key chains sitting out on the front counter for people to get a closer look at them until we noticed them disappearing.  We caught a black lady with like 5 key chains and we called security (was the standard procedure if something was stolen).  The black lady started yelling at the lead (a female Mexican) and the officers (one of whom was black) and actually called them racist, etc.  I have so many stories that justify my beliefs, that it's not even funny.

The first part is probably just punk ass kids.

The second part is funny

[AntiVirus]

I worked in the Arcade and fixed the games when they broke.  They (the blacks) would always tell me something was wrong, and I would just give them tokens (after looking at the machine and finding *NOTHING* wrong with it), because it would make them happy.  However, they kept coming up to me saying other machines were broken just because they wanted more tokens.  I even tested them by saying I couldn't give them any more tokens, and magically, no other games broke for them.  I did this MANY times with the same results.  Every-now-and-again there would be a very honest, nice black family, but that was rare.

We once had these key chains sitting out on the front counter for people to get a closer look at them until we noticed them disappearing.  We caught a black lady with like 5 key chains and we called security (was the standard procedure if something was stolen).  The black lady started yelling at the lead (a female Mexican) and the officers (one of whom was black) and actually called them racist, etc.  I have so many stories that justify my beliefs, that it's not even funny.

The first part is probably just punk ass kids.

The second part is funny

No, actually the first part was primarily adults.

[iago]

Sorry to bump, but I just had to mention this: Family Guy made reference to this event last night.

Peter: I hope this isn't as bad as when we went to that comedy club!
<flashback>
(Peter and Cleveland (the black guy) are walking into a comedy club)
Peter: This should be good, I hear this guy played Kramer on Seinfeld!
(pause)
</flashback>

The reference is vague enough that you wouldn't get it unless you knew this story

[deadly7]

Sorry to bump, but I just had to mention this: Family Guy made reference to this event last night.

Peter: I hope this isn't as bad as when we went to that comedy club!
<flashback>
(Peter and Cleveland (the black guy) are walking into a comedy club)
Peter: This should be good, I hear this guy played Kramer on Seinfeld!
(pause)
</flashback>

The reference is vague enough that you wouldn't get it unless you knew this story

I saw that and I laughed so fucking hard!  I knew you'd post about it when I saw this thread bumped.

[ZeroX]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

[MyndFyre]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

Did you just say to fuck yourself?

[Sidoh]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

If you truly believe this, I'm convinced you're unworthy of any form of respect.

[ZeroX]

Hitler had a good idea and just went to far with it. Fuck niggers and all other rasits but no need to go and kill them all off. Then we have no one to make fun of 

Did you just say to fuck yourself?

You know what I ment =]