Stem Cell Research

[Warrior]

Fuck children, clones ftw.

[AntiVirus]

As long as they don't "farm" the fetuses (feti?) it's fine with me.

They have made suggestions to go to poverty stricken countries and get the fetus from the women there by ways of bribing with cash...

I they would have to farm the fetus.  Like I said above, it takes 14 days before they have to stop using that cell because of brain development.  So if it took them 30+ years to get something out of Adult Stem Cells it's going to take them just as long if not longer tol get information from the embryonic (word?) type stem cells, so that means they will have to go through a lot of different eggs and sperm matches before they find something.  And bribing people for their eggs isn't going to be enough to supply them with what they need..

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Fuck children, clones ftw.

Well according to the "Wired" magazine when cloning a human only 75% of Nuclear Transfer is succesful, 4% of Cell Division is successful and then 0% for Embryo Transfer/Live Birth success...  So overall the cloning of a human is 0% efficient. :)

Children FTW. :)

[Warrior]

Yea but according to research back in the 1800's curing Smallpox had a %0 possibility. Things change.

[iago]

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Just because the brain hasn't developed, it doesn't mean that the fetus is not human.  It may be a human being with a soul and everything from the moment of conception.  There is no evidence (and I don't think it's possible to find evidence) that the human doesn't become human instantly. 

Holy shit!  iago, I was wrong about you!  You *aren't* a completely lost cause!

I know, I was surprised when *he* said that too. :D

It's not like I believe it.  It's more fun to argue the side that I don't believe, though :)

[igimo1]

I don't have a reason to be against stem cell research, but I am; it may simply be the religious background I have, or the fact that I believe humans have a marked lifespan and shouldn't change that.

[iago]

I don't have a reason to be against stem cell research, but I am; it may simply be the religious background I have, or the fact that I believe humans have a marked lifespan and shouldn't change that.

I assume you're against medicine too, then? 

[AntiVirus]

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Yea but according to research back in the 1800's curing Smallpox had a %0 possibility. Things change.

Well considering that they were uneducated and didn't really know what bacteria or a virus could really do, that doesn't surprise me. :)

And yes, eventually all that will change, but for now it wont.  So Clones NFTW. :)

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Just because the brain hasn't developed, it doesn't mean that the fetus is not human.  It may be a human being with a soul and everything from the moment of conception.  There is no evidence (and I don't think it's possible to find evidence) that the human doesn't become human instantly. 

Holy shit!  iago, I was wrong about you!  You *aren't* a completely lost cause!

I know, I was surprised when *he* said that too. :D

It's not like I believe it.  It's more fun to argue the side that I don't believe, though :)

BOO!! I think you should believe it. :D

[Towelie]

Because we have no idea where this could lead, it might even hold the key for extending human lives by MANY years. I think the possiblity over sucessful treatments with stemcells GREATLY outweighs what the opposeing side to this arguement has to say.

[iago]

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Because we have no idea where this could lead, it might even hold the key for extending human lives by MANY years. I think the possiblity over sucessful treatments with stemcells GREATLY outweighs what the opposeing side to this arguement has to say.

Would you think it's ok to murder an innocent grown man if it helps out others?  This could be viewed as the same thing. 

[GameSnake]

We squash bugs, we slaughter many cattle, why is ONE DAMN CELL so important to everyone?

[igimo1]

Curing disease and extending lifespan are usually mutually exclusive.

[iago]

We squash bugs, we slaughter many cattle, why is ONE DAMN CELL so important to everyone?

Because the one cell is human. 

[Feanor]

Our country would be much better off if all of the religious conservatives died in a freak gasoline fight accident.

[iago]

Zoolander owns

[Joe]

In iago's theory, I turned 16 four days ago. =)

EDIT -
No, that's 6 months. I turned 16 in January.